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If I have made some rules at the work place like,

1. No employees should remove any material from your co-worker's desk.

2. No employees should raise their voice in the work area.

3. No employees should leave the restroom unclean.

But I can sum up the rules into a the greatest rule of all, and that is to respect the company that employs you and respect your fellow employees.
And Jesus has summed up the Commands and which is the Commands that we should follow; especially about the one that says to love your enemies....
 

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If I have made some rules at the work place like,

1. No employees should remove any material from your co-worker's desk.

2. No employees should raise their voice in the work area.

3. No employees should leave the restroom unclean.

But I can sum up the rules into a the greatest rule of all, and that is to respect the company that employs you and respect your fellow employees.
And Jesus has summed up the Commands and which is the Commands that we should follow; especially about the one that says to love your enemies....
He actually (through the Apostle Paul) summed up the Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Notice that a summation of the Commandments into one, does not do away with them. It simply says they are briefly stated as "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".
 
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He actually (through the Apostle Paul) summed up the Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Notice that a summation of the Commandments into one, does not do away with them. It simply says they are briefly stated as "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".
Like the rules which I just had created, said not to remove any material from your co-workers desk and if a person has taken a certain material from their co-worker desk without permission for the purpose to give it to the Boss, because the Boss had asked for it, and then the co-worker comes and has gotten mad and accuses the person that they violated company policy and should be remove, that person is a slave and which they don't have any regards for the policy, but they just follows the policies, and which shows that they don't has common sense and need to be trained until they receive some sense. But some never learns.

Matthew 22 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
 
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That is not the day and the early church would be the Catholic church at the council of Nicea in 325AD. Follow whom you will.
John, that is pure fiction, pure fantasy, pure lies. The early church Fathers wrote about how and why Sunday became the day of assembly for group worship more than a hundred years before that. Below are statements from early church writings.

"But every Lord’s day [Sunday] . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch"Those who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
 
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[h=3]James 2:10[/h]
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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He actually (through the Apostle Paul) summed up the Commandments...

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Notice that a summation of the Commandments into one, does not do away with them. It simply says they are briefly stated as "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself".
Precisely. So what does loving my neighbor have to do with observing the weekly sabbath? Per the commandment, love obviously fulfills the spirit of that law. Otherwise, Jesus and Paul would be liars.
 
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The Sabbath commandment functions as the seal of God's law
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Generally, seals contain three elements: the name of the owner of the seal, his title, and jurisdiction. Official seals are used to validate documents of great import. The document takes on the authority of the official whose seal is placed upon it. The seal implies that the official himself approved of the legislation and that all the power of his office stands behind it.

Among the Ten Commandments, it is the Sabbath command that contains the vital elements of a seal. It is the only one of the ten that identifies the true God by giving His name: "the Lord your God;" His title: the One who made—the Creator; and His territory: "the heavens and the earth" (Ex. 20:10, 11). Since only the fourth commandment shows by whose authority the Ten Commandments were given, it therefore "contains the seal of God,' attached to His law as evidence of its authenticity and binding force.
 

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John, that is pure fiction, pure fantasy, pure lies. The early church Fathers wrote about how and why Sunday became the day of assembly for group worship more than a hundred years before that. Below are statements from early church writings.
You should actually see when it was legitimized...

Constantine, Catholicism, sun worship and the Sabbath to Sunday change
In 312 A.D., prior to his pivotal victory over his rival Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine became a “Christian” after claiming to see in broad daylight a vision of “a cross above the sun” with these words emblazoned, “in hoc signo vinces” (by this sign conquer”). After defeating his enemies and becoming Emperor of Rome, Constantine presided in full royal pomp over the “First Council of Nicea” in 325 A.D.

A shrewd political genius, his scheme was to unite paganism and Christianity in an effort to strengthen his disintegrating empire. Constantine knew that pagans throughout the empire worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” and he discovered that many Christians and especially in Rome and Alexandria also kept ‘Sunday’ because Christ rose from the dead on that day. So Constantine developed a plan to unite both groups on the common platform of Sunday keeping. On March 7, 321 A.D., he passed his famous national Sunday law:

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380, note 1.

Now if you believe that these guys had the "Primacy of Peter" and could overrule scripture, then by all means do what you think is right (reminds me of a Proverb). The problem is the Catholic church itself takes the credit for changing the day of worship to Sunday...

“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

All according to what your authority is, the Bible or the Catholic church.

My comments in blue.

Oh yeah and let's see here, who lied?
 
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John, that is pure fiction, pure fantasy, pure lies. The early church Fathers wrote about how and why Sunday became the day of assembly for group worship more than a hundred years before that. Below are statements from early church writings.
You're not only very wrong about this, it wouldn't even matter if you were right. Only God has the authority to change one of His laws, and Jesus Christ made it clear that none of the laws should be broken, discounted, or that anyone be taught to break them. That's just a fact. And yet you so easily entirely ignore direct commands of Christ but argue ferociously over points of no consequence. This makes it so blatantly obvious that your desire is only to validate your entirely invalid position rather than to find and establish truth. What does that make you? Do you ever think about that? No, you only think about furthering your agenda. That's why you never get anywhere.
 

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Like the rules which I just had created, said not to remove any material from your co-workers desk and if a person has taken a certain material from their co-worker desk without permission for the purpose to give it to the Boss, because the Boss had asked for it, and then the co-worker comes and has gotten mad and accuses the person that they violated company policy and should be remove, that person is a slave and which they don't have any regards for the policy, but they just follows the policies, and which shows that they don't has common sense and need to be trained until they receive some sense. But some never learns.

Matthew 22 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Uh, Paul said that he needed the Law to understand what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So I guess if it was good enough for Paul...
 
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Precisely. So what does loving my neighbor have to do with observing the weekly sabbath? Per the commandment, love obviously fulfills the spirit of that law. Otherwise, Jesus and Paul would be liars.
You apparently don't believe what Jesus said by way of His word directly spoken to us. I notice you never speak of what Christ taught about keeping His commandments. All I see in your posts is your opinions. That actually shows a total lack of faith that this belief system is a reality created by a genuine PERSON with HIS own agenda. Obviously you believe this is something we can make up as we go along because there's no real person behind it.
 
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Precisely. So what does loving my neighbor have to do with observing the weekly sabbath? Per the commandment, love obviously fulfills the spirit of that law. Otherwise, Jesus and Paul would be liars.
Nothing, but if you have put a day aside just only to focus on God as we put time aside from work just to be with our families, is called loving God with all of your heart and soul; but if your love has grown, you'll will always keep Him in mine before temptations, and which this act is called worshipping God, because they had put God before everything.
 
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You should actually see when it was legitimized...

Constantine, Catholicism, sun worship and the Sabbath to Sunday change
In 312 A.D., prior to his pivotal victory over his rival Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine became a “Christian” after claiming to see in broad daylight a vision of “a cross above the sun” with these words emblazoned, “in hoc signo vinces” (by this sign conquer”). After defeating his enemies and becoming Emperor of Rome, Constantine presided in full royal pomp over the “First Council of Nicea” in 325 A.D.

A shrewd political genius, his scheme was to unite paganism and Christianity in an effort to strengthen his disintegrating empire. Constantine knew that pagans throughout the empire worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” and he discovered that many Christians and especially in Rome and Alexandria also kept ‘Sunday’ because Christ rose from the dead on that day. So Constantine developed a plan to unite both groups on the common platform of Sunday keeping. On March 7, 321 A.D., he passed his famous national Sunday law:

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380, note 1.

Now if you believe that these guys had the "Primacy of Peter" and could overrule scripture, then by all means do what you think is right (reminds me of a Proverb). The problem is the Catholic church itself takes the credit for changing the day of worship to Sunday...

“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

All according to what your authority is, the Bible or the Catholic church.

My comments in blue.

Oh yeah and let's see here, who lied?
What's that funny old saying? Don't confuse us with the facts, John832. It totally spoils our positions.
 
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When do you work?

Exo 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

Many people overlook this important part of the Sabbath Command, six days shalt thou WORK...

Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

God does not reward indolence, He expects people to work. To do what they are able, it is a Command to work. One must do what he is able and capable of doing for six days.

Not true again. This ***WAS*** true under the old covenant. We are under the new covenant of grace (Romans 6:14).

10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. James 2:10
Unfortunately you want to bring us back to the law! This makes you a Judaizer and tramples on the sacrifice our Lord Jesus gave us thru His death.

Romans 3:19 - Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 10:4 - For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 5:4 - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
 
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You should actually see when it was legitimized...

Constantine, Catholicism, sun worship and the Sabbath to Sunday change
In 312 A.D., prior to his pivotal victory over his rival Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine became a “Christian” after claiming to see in broad daylight a vision of “a cross above the sun” with these words emblazoned, “in hoc signo vinces” (by this sign conquer”). After defeating his enemies and becoming Emperor of Rome, Constantine presided in full royal pomp over the “First Council of Nicea” in 325 A.D.

A shrewd political genius, his scheme was to unite paganism and Christianity in an effort to strengthen his disintegrating empire. Constantine knew that pagans throughout the empire worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” and he discovered that many Christians and especially in Rome and Alexandria also kept ‘Sunday’ because Christ rose from the dead on that day. So Constantine developed a plan to unite both groups on the common platform of Sunday keeping. On March 7, 321 A.D., he passed his famous national Sunday law:

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380, note 1.

Now if you believe that these guys had the "Primacy of Peter" and could overrule scripture, then by all means do what you think is right (reminds me of a Proverb). The problem is the Catholic church itself takes the credit for changing the day of worship to Sunday...

“Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89).

“For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.”

“Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?
“Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.
“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?
“Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York).

“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.

“Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136.

“Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
“Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.
“Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
“Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.

“They [the Protestants] deem it their duty to keep the Sunday holy. Why? Because the Catholic Church tells them to do so. They have no other reason...The observance of Sunday thus comes to be an ecclesiastical law entirely distinct from the divine law of Sabbath observance...The author of the Sunday law...is the Catholic Church.” Ecclesiastical Review, February 1914.

“The Sunday...is purely a creation of the Catholic Church.”American Catholic Quarterly Review, January 1883.

“Sunday...is the law of the Catholic Church alone...” American Sentinel (Catholic), June 1893.

“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles...From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” Catholic Press, Sydney, Australia, August 1900.

“It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address reported in The News, Elizabeth, New Jersey, March 18, 1903.

All according to what your authority is, the Bible or the Catholic church.

My comments in blue.

Oh yeah and let's see here, who lied?
You did not read my post where I showed you a few statements by early church leaders that clearly said the church worships on Sunday?

All Constantine did was to gather and codify the Christians. Sunday worship was already a fact, long before Nicea.
 
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Nothing, but if you have put a day aside just only to focus on God as we put time aside from work just to be with our families, is called loving God with all of your heart and soul; but if your love has grown, you'll will always keep Him in mine before temptations, and which this act is called worshipping God, because they had put God before everything.
Apparently the fact that God specified the 7th Day as the one to be kept as the sabbath doesn't matter? Any old day will do? Not according to scripture.
 
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Not true again. This ***WAS*** true under the old covenant. We are under the new covenant of grace (Romans 6:14).



Unfortunately you want to bring us back to the law! This makes you a Judaizer and tramples on the sacrifice our Lord Jesus gave us thru His death.
Same old lie. Now that we're under grace, we're free to break the commandments. Yeah....
 
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If Catholics at Nicea invented Sunday worship out of thin air, why did the protestants not go back to the jewish Sabbath?
 
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You did not read my post where I showed you a few statements by early church leaders that clearly said the church worships on Sunday?

All Constantine did was to gather and codify the Christians. Sunday worship was already a fact, long before Nicea.
Did you read my post that says it wouldn't have mattered anyway? That the 7th day was still the 7th day no matter who might have kept Sunday as the sabbath? No. Because that would nullify your argument.
 
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Same old lie. Now that we're under grace, we're free to break the commandments. Yeah....
That is a gross mischaracterization of grace that borderlines on blasphemy.