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Zone let me share with you the NOT or BAPTIZED yet...

I was invited to attend a Church here in George by a fellow fisherman that I met on the rocks.... So that Sunday I went to his church. He only met me that one day on the rocks and he decided I was a Christian and that I would love the Church he attends....

So when I got there he introduced me to two or three people outsie and we went in for the sermon. Inside the sermon started with some singing and then the Pastor's wife read from the Afrikaans Bible a PSalm, and then from an Englsh Bible, and then she said some weird stuff, and all the time I felt something is wrong. First I did a evaluation of myself... Found NOTHING wrong. And since this was my first attndance to a church in twelve years, after I went through the Bible with the Holy Spirit, I had quite a lot of KNOWLEDGE how to judge myself....And what I hear and see....

Already I was not HOME.... But I kept queit and then the singing got real slow and emotional... Then the pastor prayed and made an alter call for all who wants or need anything.... Some went to the front and when the Pastor lay hands on them they woudl fall backwards... Noe I was really uneasy and I knew this is NOT GOD.... One woman took the mic and told about a dream she had. I understood the dream 100% and even had the outlay in the Bible.... I asked myself... WHY DOES NO ONE HELP THE WOMAN AND LAY HER DREAM OUT.... Then I realized I am the ONLY ONE that has teh answer and the outlay... Because of the knowledge God gave me in the Word of God....

Then the people stood up from the floor and they went back to their seats... Then the Pastor said..... If there is anyone here that has a Word for the congregation come forward and do not keep your peace.... Another firstcomer that went to that church was sitting right next to me, and by Bible was on a seat between me and Houtie, the man that invited me. He stood up and went to witness how God gave him food and took care of him when he was jobless....

Then he handed the mic back to the Pastor.... I thought God wanted me to read 1 Cor 14 to them but I was not ready to reproof or do whatever... So I looked up at the cealing fan and said... God if you want me to speak, make that fan turn or move... Nothing!!!! I knew I was redicolous to try God to bargain with me, but I truly did not want to upset any person... Then the stranger came back and sat down beside me again... Then the Pastor said, if there is another person that wants to share something please come forward.. and the man I do not know from a bar of soap next to me said.... GO COBUS... how did he know my name, but I took my Bible and went to the front. Took the mic in my one hand and held the Bible with the other....

When I looked back at the people I saw a big black cloth unroll from the ceiling between me and the people. On the cloth were many colored dots. God said to me, NOW PREACH 1 COR 14 to these dots... Exactly as I wrote it down in My Truth, My Word.... I let those dots have it and the Word of God just FLOWED from my insides. I spoke to all the dots with authority and I was NOT IN A CHURCH but in an empty hall preaching to a black cloth with lots of colored dots...

I was so calm and so at peace and so glad to hear the Word of God just flow on the air... it just pured out of me like rivers from my bowles.... It was GREAT...

I tld them that women should be quiet in church, that they should REMAIN in the Bible and not venture outside God's Word. God gave as a NARROW path, His Word to STAY ON.... This falling over stuff is NOT OF GOD... And so God is NOT HERE....

Then the Pastor touched me on the shoulder and said... NO friend that is not of God. I said I should leave then and he said yes... As I walked out and on my way to the door I realized the curtain with the dots were gone and all saw me leave. On my way to the door I was wondering if I am going to be upset that we cannot agree on God’s Will, Word and WAY... It is SAD that we cannot agree, becasue God wants us to AFGREE and be of ONE MIND and ONE TONGUE...

The moment I walked out the door a PEACE fell on me that I NEVER experienced. I CANNOT explain the peace because my human mind CANNOT event contemplate this peace....Si I left the church and drove the 20 km back home....

The next week Tuesday i reeived a phone call from Houtie. He asked if they (him and their head-elder) can come visit me at my home... Right then God said .... Cobus if they come to your home you will wash their feet while you pray for every individual, and I will reveal my Word to them, to every one that accepts the feetwash.... ZONE... God knew, I knew and Satan knew I was going to wash their feet in my home, and God will reveal the Word to them.... We made and appointment for Thursday evening at 7 PM in my home in Heroldsbay.

The next day, Wednesday, Houtie called again and said if I would mind coming to his house that same Wednesday evening also at SEVEN PM... God said... Cobus they sould wash your feet now, and you will know I am there God.... I said OK it is a date...

That evening I went to Houtie’s home. There were two men and their wives and myself. I took my laptop with God’s Bible on it and we sat and talked about this and that... light chatter, and me anxiously awaiting when I should remove my shoes.... Then the elder said... YES Houtie now this is a bit awkward, how shall we start... I said in my head.... WITH WASHING OF MY FEET AND PRAYER.... PLEASE LET US AT LEAST PRAY... but i did not say it out loud... So the elder said.... Let us fall with the door into the house....Cobus have you been baptized?.....

Now Zonie you have to believe me on this... for the next few minutes I WAS NOT SPEAKING, I just heard WORDS COME FROM MY MOUTH AND ANSWERS THAT CAN BE PROVEN IN GOD’S WORD..... I DID NOT SPEAK....

The word YES came from my mouth..... He asked by whom... By JESUS... came from my mouth.... Now his wife said..... Jack did not mean that baptism.... I have a problem when a woman wants to teach me, Jack, please... And that is as far as the words got coming from my mouth.... Jack said to his wife.... Cathy why do you and Jill not go to the kitchen just for a bit until we have sorted out some things first amongst... And that is as far as Jack got... when Cathy flew up out of the couch and said.... GIVE ME THE CAR KEYS... wow SHE WAS FURIOUS AND VERY MEAN.... So Jack put on a “funny mask, and said... YES YOU WOMEN GO DRIVE AROUND, HAHAHA... so FALSE and apolagetic for his wifes evil behaviour.... I was even feeling sorry for the man.... The two women left and I did not know where they went after they left the living room...

Jack continued and said.... No Cobus not that baptism he said.... THERE is only ONE baptism... came from my mouth.... No there is two he said... What Bible do you read?... came from my mouth... They answered different answers both of them, and in both there Bibles Acts 8:37 was left out... a verse that actually confirms the water baptism Philip had with the EUNUCH. Let us just use the King James on my laptop and whatever verse you want me to read, let us read it so we san at least be on the same page.... I heard myself say... And as you well know Zonie, the Bible Himself gives enough to argue in VERY different directions.... But I as not sent to argue and I did not repeat anything twice.

I just saw they did not wash my feet and I knew we will not agree.... So I asked to leave peacefully,... As Christian as Houtie was when he invited me to church so hostile he was to throw me out, but not before he would hit me with his fists for he said....I will slap you silly, you have a problem with my church, my wife and my Bible.... And the elder took my shirt sleeve just under my shoulder, shaking it from side to side saying..... Cobus let me prophecy to you now... YOU WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTIZED.... I have great news for you my friend, I have the peace of Jesus in me.

When we went out onto the porch, the women were sitting there. As I walked past Cathy asked Jack... How did it go?... Jack said he believes in only ONE Baptism, and she said... But there is three.... So I left, and all meetings after that night was very uncumfortable for them, NOT ME...

There is only one Baptism, the Baptism of the Holy Ghost from God and is done through believe a gift from God.
If one believes God and God does the rest
Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
I hear you say you believe God? If that is true perfect, and I thank God for your belief
For that is all God left is for us to either believe or not, and God does know who does and does not
 
Zone let me share with you the NOT or BAPTIZED yet...

I was invited to attend a Church here in George by a fellow fisherman that I met on the rocks.... So that Sunday I went to his church. He only met me that one day on the rocks and he decided I was a Christian and that I would love the Church he attends....

So when I got there he introduced me to two or three people outsie and we went in for the sermon. Inside the sermon started with some singing and then the Pastor's wife read from the Afrikaans Bible a PSalm, and then from an Englsh Bible, and then she said some weird stuff, and all the time I felt something is wrong. First I did a evaluation of myself... Found NOTHING wrong. And since this was my first attndance to a church in twelve years, after I went through the Bible with the Holy Spirit, I had quite a lot of KNOWLEDGE how to judge myself....And what I hear and see....

Already I was not HOME.... But I kept queit and then the singing got real slow and emotional... Then the pastor prayed and made an alter call for all who wants or need anything.... Some went to the front and when the Pastor lay hands on them they woudl fall backwards... Noe I was really uneasy and I knew this is NOT GOD.... One woman took the mic and told about a dream she had. I understood the dream 100% and even had the outlay in the Bible.... I asked myself... WHY DOES NO ONE HELP THE WOMAN AND LAY HER DREAM OUT.... Then I realized I am the ONLY ONE that has teh answer and the outlay... Because of the knowledge God gave me in the Word of God....

Then the people stood up from the floor and they went back to their seats... Then the Pastor said..... If there is anyone here that has a Word for the congregation come forward and do not keep your peace.... Another firstcomer that went to that church was sitting right next to me, and by Bible was on a seat between me and Houtie, the man that invited me. He stood up and went to witness how God gave him food and took care of him when he was jobless....

Then he handed the mic back to the Pastor.... I thought God wanted me to read 1 Cor 14 to them but I was not ready to reproof or do whatever... So I looked up at the cealing fan and said... God if you want me to speak, make that fan turn or move... Nothing!!!! I knew I was redicolous to try God to bargain with me, but I truly did not want to upset any person... Then the stranger came back and sat down beside me again... Then the Pastor said, if there is another person that wants to share something please come forward.. and the man I do not know from a bar of soap next to me said.... GO COBUS... how did he know my name, but I took my Bible and went to the front. Took the mic in my one hand and held the Bible with the other....

When I looked back at the people I saw a big black cloth unroll from the ceiling between me and the people. On the cloth were many colored dots. God said to me, NOW PREACH 1 COR 14 to these dots... Exactly as I wrote it down in My Truth, My Word.... I let those dots have it and the Word of God just FLOWED from my insides. I spoke to all the dots with authority and I was NOT IN A CHURCH but in an empty hall preaching to a black cloth with lots of colored dots...

I was so calm and so at peace and so glad to hear the Word of God just flow on the air... it just pured out of me like rivers from my bowles.... It was GREAT...

I tld them that women should be quiet in church, that they should REMAIN in the Bible and not venture outside God's Word. God gave as a NARROW path, His Word to STAY ON.... This falling over stuff is NOT OF GOD... And so God is NOT HERE....

Then the Pastor touched me on the shoulder and said... NO friend that is not of God. I said I should leave then and he said yes... As I walked out and on my way to the door I realized the curtain with the dots were gone and all saw me leave. On my way to the door I was wondering if I am going to be upset that we cannot agree on God’s Will, Word and WAY... It is SAD that we cannot agree, becasue God wants us to AFGREE and be of ONE MIND and ONE TONGUE...

The moment I walked out the door a PEACE fell on me that I NEVER experienced. I CANNOT explain the peace because my human mind CANNOT event contemplate this peace....Si I left the church and drove the 20 km back home....

The next week Tuesday i reeived a phone call from Houtie. He asked if they (him and their head-elder) can come visit me at my home... Right then God said .... Cobus if they come to your home you will wash their feet while you pray for every individual, and I will reveal my Word to them, to every one that accepts the feetwash.... ZONE... God knew, I knew and Satan knew I was going to wash their feet in my home, and God will reveal the Word to them.... We made and appointment for Thursday evening at 7 PM in my home in Heroldsbay.

The next day, Wednesday, Houtie called again and said if I would mind coming to his house that same Wednesday evening also at SEVEN PM... God said... Cobus they sould wash your feet now, and you will know I am there God.... I said OK it is a date...

That evening I went to Houtie’s home. There were two men and their wives and myself. I took my laptop with God’s Bible on it and we sat and talked about this and that... light chatter, and me anxiously awaiting when I should remove my shoes.... Then the elder said... YES Houtie now this is a bit awkward, how shall we start... I said in my head.... WITH WASHING OF MY FEET AND PRAYER.... PLEASE LET US AT LEAST PRAY... but i did not say it out loud... So the elder said.... Let us fall with the door into the house....Cobus have you been baptized?.....

Now Zonie you have to believe me on this... for the next few minutes I WAS NOT SPEAKING, I just heard WORDS COME FROM MY MOUTH AND ANSWERS THAT CAN BE PROVEN IN GOD’S WORD..... I DID NOT SPEAK....

The word YES came from my mouth..... He asked by whom... By JESUS... came from my mouth.... Now his wife said..... Jack did not mean that baptism.... I have a problem when a woman wants to teach me, Jack, please... And that is as far as the words got coming from my mouth.... Jack said to his wife.... Cathy why do you and Jill not go to the kitchen just for a bit until we have sorted out some things first amongst... And that is as far as Jack got... when Cathy flew up out of the couch and said.... GIVE ME THE CAR KEYS... wow SHE WAS FURIOUS AND VERY MEAN.... So Jack put on a “funny mask, and said... YES YOU WOMEN GO DRIVE AROUND, HAHAHA... so FALSE and apolagetic for his wifes evil behaviour.... I was even feeling sorry for the man.... The two women left and I did not know where they went after they left the living room...

Jack continued and said.... No Cobus not that baptism he said.... THERE is only ONE baptism... came from my mouth.... No there is two he said... What Bible do you read?... came from my mouth... They answered different answers both of them, and in both there Bibles Acts 8:37 was left out... a verse that actually confirms the water baptism Philip had with the EUNUCH. Let us just use the King James on my laptop and whatever verse you want me to read, let us read it so we san at least be on the same page.... I heard myself say... And as you well know Zonie, the Bible Himself gives enough to argue in VERY different directions.... But I as not sent to argue and I did not repeat anything twice.

I just saw they did not wash my feet and I knew we will not agree.... So I asked to leave peacefully,... As Christian as Houtie was when he invited me to church so hostile he was to throw me out, but not before he would hit me with his fists for he said....I will slap you silly, you have a problem with my church, my wife and my Bible.... And the elder took my shirt sleeve just under my shoulder, shaking it from side to side saying..... Cobus let me prophecy to you now... YOU WILL NEVER HAVE PEACE UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTIZED.... I have great news for you my friend, I have the peace of Jesus in me.

When we went out onto the porch, the women were sitting there. As I walked past Cathy asked Jack... How did it go?... Jack said he believes in only ONE Baptism, and she said... But there is three.... So I left, and all meetings after that night was very uncumfortable for them, NOT ME...

well, it's incredible to me that God is speaking directly to you using your name, having literal conversations with you....you claim to have the peace of Jesus in you - when you have repeatedly said you are not saved.

there is one baptism.

repent, and be baptized for the remission of sins and you will receive the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

only the disciples of Christ who walked with Him received the Baptism with the Holy Spirit - at Pentecost. POWER FROM ON HIGH.

i can understand you weren't comfortable in that church, i wouldn't be either.

nevertheless. there are lots of issues with your story.

anyways....thanks for the testimony Cobus. though the God you think was speaking to you contradicted the God of the Bible.

when are you going to start by obeying the SIMPLE GOSPEL MESSAGE?
and KEEP it simple?

you're not going to be evicted from your body
you're not going to get supernatural powers
you're not going to be sinless

you're going to be FORGIVEN.
 
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Hearing God is part of God's Salvation.....
Proof STRAIGHT from God's Word....
Isaiah 30:20 and 21... And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers:
Isa 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.
John 10:27... My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Zone have you ever heard a voice WITH YOUR EARS? I have so it has to be true...
And here God uses our names.... He said..... SAUL SAUL WHY PERSECUTETH THOU ME?....
Another one.... Not only should we hear His VOISE we should also KNOW AND SEE Him... The righteous does but the unrighteous (sinners) does NOT.
1 John 3:6..... Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I just shown you that we can SEE and HEAR our Teachers, and a voice that TELLS us how to stay on the narrow WAY, and if you are one of HIS SHEEP you do hear HIS VOICE, and HE KNOWS YOU....And YOU KNOW HIM...

If God went silent there should be proof. but we know God has ALWAYS spoke to His SHEEP, and THEY HEAR HIS VOICE, SEE THEIR TEACHERS, and they FOLLOW HIM... And he leads not into temptation, but delivers from evil...

All these curses has no effect on my life, this is not your decision to make, it is God's, MY GOD'S, Jesus Christ.... so I will do as HE ORDERS.... NO WEAPON SATAN BUILDS AGAINST ME WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON ME.... All these curses were dealt with by Jesus HIMSELF... so they have no effect on me, but on yourself.... You damn yourself with sayings of this nature....

Is this true?.... John 14:12... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

About people baptized in the Holy Spirit, you say only the disciples of JEsus received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but look at Samaria when John and Peter layed hands on them for the SPIRIT HAS NOT FALLEN ON ONE OF THEM YET.... BUT THEN when the Apostles laid hands on them this occurred....

Acts 8:17... Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

So Zonie I guess you do not know God's WAY as well as you thought.... No my dear God does not change and God is ALWAYS the same.... His FINISHED work is the HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, and HE DOES NOT SHARE... not even with YOU!
When God's Holy SPIRIT FILLS US, we are FULL OF GOD, and NONE OF US....

Like Paul I ask.... WHO SHALL SAVE ME FROM THIS WRETCHED FLESH AND SINNER I AM?..... I THANK CHRIST JESUS...

What A friend we have in JESUS, He that wants to take my place..... AND I OFFER HIM MY WHOLE BODY.... LORD JESUS COME AND TAKE THIS VESSEL FOR YOUR SPIRIT, AND ONLY YOUR SPIRIT...

If GOd stacks a vessel for HIS PURPOSE, HE STACKS IT WITH HEAVENLY/GODLY STUFF, STRAIGHT FORM HEAVEN... He does not NEED ANYTHING FROM EARTH... NOTHING....

Here is a challange for you ZONIE.... SHOW ME GOD IS NOT VERBAL... THAT HE IS QUEIT.... The Holy Spirit is VERY busy, VERY convinsing, and VERY active RIGHT NOW... We do not serve a dead quiet and distant God... WE serve a heavenly Father that appointed His Son as the shepard, and ALL the sheep HEARS HIS VOICE, and KNOW HIM and SEE HIM... AND FOLLOW HIM... WOW! how can that be misunderstood, even by the sheep from the other BIG PENN?
 
So Zonie I guess you do not know God's WAY as well as you thought....

okay Cobus.
if you say so.

His FINISHED work is the HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU,

His Finished Work was the Cross, and God proved it by raising Him from the dead.
He draws who He will, and they hear His voice (through the preaching of the WORD) and obey the Gospel.
The Holy Spirit is the GIFT given to all who believe.
The comforter; The Teacher; The seal of God's promise to take FULL POSSESSION of those He purchased at the resurrection.

there are 2:

one is Christ's, in which we take part when we hear; believe and obey the Gospel.
the other is the resurrection and glorification - at the very last day.

His FINISHED work is the HOLY SPIRIT IN YOU, and HE DOES NOT SHARE... not even with YOU!
When God's Holy SPIRIT FILLS US, we are FULL OF GOD, and NONE OF US....

i see.
so you'll disappear one day, POOF - and Cobus will be gone, and actually GOD WILL BE IN COBUS' GLORIFIED FLESH WALKING THE EARTH AGAIN?

Like Paul I ask.... WHO SHALL SAVE ME FROM THIS WRETCHED FLESH AND SINNER I AM?..... I THANK CHRIST JESUS...

Paul was saved before he died Cobus.
and he was NOT glorified while he walked the earth - though he did have supernatural powers - for a time.

What A friend we have in JESUS, He that wants to take my place....

where will you go?

. AND I OFFER HIM MY WHOLE BODY.... LORD JESUS COME AND TAKE THIS VESSEL FOR YOUR SPIRIT, AND ONLY YOUR SPIRIT...

only the saved can offer themselves as servants of righteousness, in the service of the Lord.
and even then their works are not perfect.

the unsaved not only do not obey God, they can not...they are not able.

If GOd stacks a vessel for HIS PURPOSE, HE STACKS IT WITH HEAVENLY/GODLY STUFF, STRAIGHT FORM HEAVEN... He does not NEED ANYTHING FROM EARTH... NOTHING....

then you might as well X out everything about Jesus taking on the likeness of sinful flesh (He was not a sinner); and coming to earth as a MAN to redeem men.

Cobus, is Jesus RIGHT NOW fully God and yet still Man (a glorified and perfect MAN)?
you'll NEVER be Jesus.

Here is a challange for you ZONIE.... SHOW ME GOD IS NOT VERBAL... THAT HE IS QUEIT.... The Holy Spirit is VERY busy, VERY convinsing, and VERY active RIGHT NOW... We do not serve a dead quiet and distant God... WE serve a heavenly Father that appointed His Son as the shepard, and ALL the sheep HEARS HIS VOICE, and KNOW HIM and SEE HIM... AND FOLLOW HIM... WOW! how can that be misunderstood, even by the sheep from the other BIG PENN?

what does the Holy Spirit being active and busy have to do with being vocal?

we hear His voice through the WORD - read or preached.
He MIGHT thunder in an audible voice...but that is not how we are saved Cobus.
and i do not think you want to hear THAT voice.

He spoke in times past to the Israelites through the prophets.
and on ocassion He spoke from heaven....THIS IS MY BELOVED SON IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.

now He has spoken through His Son.

how do we know that?

because He recorded it all in Scripture.
where do we find the words of The Lord?
in Scripture.

who testifies to the truth of it all? The Holy Spirit.
Who is the author of the Scriptures.

all scripture is GOD-BREATHED.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

here's one you should ponder Cobus:

1 Corinthians 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
 
Zone do not stop with this convo until you see what I see....
People glorified GOD in PAUL... so Paul was glorified with GOD IN HIM.... Paul was glorified and people knew that. I am sorry to see you do not see that the Holy Spirit GLORIFIES THE MOMENT HE MOVES IN... that is the GLORIFIATIION OF GOD IN US...
Jesus prayed the Father and Jesus said... THE GLORY THOU HAST GIVEN ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM.... Jesus does not lie.... HE GLORIFIES EVERY PERSON HE MOVES IN TOO....

Zone the perfect man that is made perfect t othe fulness of Christ, is as glorious and perfect to God as Jesus was.... Jesus says... Father you have given me POWER OVER ALL FLESH.... Zone, if Jesus wants this flesh of mine perfect (and He does.. Mat 5:48) then HE HAS THE POWER TO MAKE IT PERFECT.... AND HE DOES!!!!

Paul WAS PERFECT and glorified and holy and GODLY... Paul is no hypocrate. Zone all holy people go to ONE PLACE right here on earth...

Zone Paul said AS GOD IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD.... Zone if you only believe the Lord's prayer TRUY believe when you pray God will hear you and God will DO AS YOU ASK.. because Jesus ASKED FOR YOU TOO....

Zone, the Holy Spirit in Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in ALL God's Children is ONE SPIRIT... AND THAT SPIRIT CANNOT SIN...When God make you ONE with HIM, YOU ARE HOLY SPIRIT, NOT ZONE SPIRIT.... ALL HOLY SPIRIT, IS GOD, and ONE WITH THE SON AND FATHER.... Then not only do you HEAR GOD, GOD SPEAKS THROUGH YOU... So God will ADRESS PEOPLE THROUGH YOU....

Zone EVERY PERSON IN GOD is SET APART FROM ALL WORLDLY STUFF....

You say God and Jesus' work was done on the cross and finished on the cross... but you are SO WRONG... NOT one person was made ONE WITH GOD with the cross work... They are MADE ONE WITH GOD WITH THE BAPTISM INTO GOD.... And that only happens AFTER Jesus came AGAIN.... Jesus said HE WILL NOT LEAVE THEM ALONE.... Here is what you should grasp today....

The Holy Spirit in ANY flesh is the resurrection of Jesus in that flesh.... the BORN AGAIN, was not done on the cross, it is done by the RESURRECTION... The CLEANSING is the cross,,,,, the FIRST AND MILK part of the Gospel... the FLESH AND MEAT PART is the RESURRECTION.... God in us... Holy Spirit in us...

Jesus is still the perfect man in every perfect man.... So yes Zone Jesus still lives in the flesh... AND this is the scriptue that just NAILS this concept.... Zone God said NONE can say Jesus is Lord but the Holy Spirit... and look who has to confess this...
1 John 4:Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Zone I know that God's Spirit confess that HE IS COME IN THE FLESH OF THE ONE THAT CONFESS.... ONLY ONE WAY... A HOLY AND PERFECT LIFE HERE ON EARTH.... God cannot confess with sin, but with holiness....

I know you at times are very irritated by what I say, but Zone I fought with God, I shouted at him, I swore at him, and I even had evil spirits in me from Him, then I am really silly and feeble, but afterwards I see .... EVERYTHING WORKS FOR THE GOOD IN THOSE THAT LOVE THE LORD.....

I receive a spirit for three days last week, just to understand what another child of God went thorugh.... If you people think Paul's thorn in the flesh was an eazy matter, you are so wrong.

My dear friend, I truly hopw God's will shall be done in us AS HIS WILL IS DONE IN HEAVEN... PERFECTLY! Amen!
 
Zone do not stop with this convo until you see what I see....
People glorified GOD in PAUL... so Paul was glorified with GOD IN HIM.... Paul was glorified and people knew that. I am sorry to see you do not see that the Holy Spirit GLORIFIES THE MOMENT HE MOVES IN... that is the GLORIFIATIION OF GOD IN US...

Galatians 1:24
And they glorified God because of me.

Cobus....stop it.

ONLY GOD GETS GLORY.

the people saw that Paul, who once killed them, was now SAVED by grace (wretched persecutor), and was called to PREACH to The Gospel he once tried to destroy....and when they people saw THAT (paul saved by grace & preaching) THEY GAVE GLORY TO GOD because of paul's conversion.

Paul said he was NOT glorified. he said GOD FORBID he glory (or glorify himself) in ANYTHING other than The Cross - not his cross, not his sacrificial death, not his deity - BUT CHRIST'S.

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord. < this does not say - let him "be glorified with GOD IN HIM."

Jeremiah 9:24
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

Jesus prayed the Father and Jesus said... THE GLORY THOU HAST GIVEN ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM.... Jesus does not lie.... HE GLORIFIES EVERY PERSON HE MOVES IN TOO....

Cobus: the subject of that part is unity or union...in attitutudes; character and purpose.

do you honestly believe Jesus was saying he was absorbing the disciples into the GODHEAD?

come on.

if you look and see, you'll find that the context determines the use of glory. anyways, i'm not going into that here.

in this case Jesus is not saying He is giving us The Eternal God's GLORY!
do you not know Jesus is ETERNALLY GOD?

did He ever need to be GIVEN DEITY-GLORY-MAJESTY? "THE GLORY THOU HAST GIVEN ME I HAVE GIVEN THEM"? of course not!

it's evident He is speaking of something else.

John 17:8
For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.

no one denies the redeemed are given a measure of the Holy Spirit, Cobus...but you just go NUTS with this idea of Pantheism or whatever it is....no human being will become GOD. is that really your assertion? this is really getting old Cobus.

Zone the perfect man that is made perfect t othe fulness of Christ, is as glorious and perfect to God as Jesus was

WHAT BLASPHEMY!:(
i worry about you...a lot.

but....you....will....not listen to ANYONE!

.... Jesus says... Father you have given me POWER OVER ALL FLESH.... Zone, if Jesus wants this flesh of mine perfect (and He does.. Mat 5:48) then HE HAS THE POWER TO MAKE IT PERFECT.... AND HE DOES!!!!

THEN WHY IS IT GOING TO GET OLD AND SICK AND DIE ROT IN THE GROUND??????????

Paul WAS PERFECT and glorified

k....done.
creepy and not christian doctrine.
over.
 
Sorry ... LOVE YOU ZONIE....

i love you too Cobus.
i don't know to what to say to help you.
you have a zeal, but your ideas are decidely out there, man.

somehow you have to push restart.
stop being self-taught - it's NOT working.

either that or quit playing games and give up your sinful ways and repent and be baptized and get on with the joy and peace of knowing you are redeemed (IF YOU BELIEVE THE RIGHT GOSPEL AND CHRIST), and do the hard work of putting to death the deeds of the flesh.

you're looking for a quick fix that isn't Biblical, and you're distorting the true God.
man....it's not even 8am i already need a nap dude.
 
[h=2]"for those who do not sin "[/h]
HEY its a JESUS Thread!

YAAAH!

:)
 
This morning I was reading some veses about people the Bible refers to as righteous.... Oh boy are there many verses about the righteous....

Now reading these verses I would have to know how righteous these people are. Are the completely without sin? For unroghteousness is sin... It is sin that makes a person UNRIGHTEOUS. So if the Word of God, given in by HIM calls a person righteous, how righteous (without sin) is this person....

In 1 John God says,... the righteous is as righteous as God Himself is righteous.... So CREEPY as it may sound, it still is the TRUTH OF GOD.. a righteous man DOING righteousness is as righteous as God is righteous... Dn then God says whosoever does not do righteousness (as he is righteous or to HIS standard) is NOT OF GOD... WOW!!!! God's righteousness is HIGH...
Ok I do not want to derail myself... so let us talk about a righteous man....


In the Bible there are MANY references to righteous man or the righteous people.... Whether it is imputed, actual person changing, salvation or a anything, in God's eyes, these people are RIGHTEOUS.... without sin... and it is NOT that God turns blind on their sin, then He has to turn blind on HIS OWN SIN AS WELL for he says they are as RIGHTEOUS AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS... Either they sin as God and He sees not that sin, or they ACTUALLY does not sin LIKE GOD DOES NOT SIN.... God does not lie.


Now I want to share something with you..... God's Name nd what it is.. and WHO CAN ENTER INTO HIS NAME.....

Zone before ANY person can enter into HIS name God has to cleanse that person AND give that person something..... God has to give that person GLORY.... OF HIS OWN GLORY.... To the measure of HIS SON'S GLORY AS MAN... AS PERFECT MAN... We will NEVER GET THE GLORY OF GOD, but we WILL GET THE GLORY OF THE SON OF MAN.....The Glory Jesus got as the Son here on earth... Glory is the GODLY gift of the HOLY SPIRIT... The Holy Spirit is OUR GLORY IN GOD... We are GLORIFIED IN GOD by the IMPLANTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.... ALL righteous people are righteous, and KEPT righteous by the HOLY SPIRIT THAT MOVES THEM... THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT LIVES IN THEM and they LIVE IN HIM... They live in glory and glory lives in them...

A righteous man is not rghteeous EVER by his own doing.... GOD WANTED THE MAN RIGHTEOUS, and GOD MADE HIM RIGHTEOUS. And God only knows ONE LEVEL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... HIS OWN... If you do not believe this, then I also cannot help any of you.... There is only ONE LEVEL of holiness... GOD'S, One level of righteousness... God's. There are however two levels of GLORY.... One for us to the level of Jesus made man, and God's Glory in God as Christ Jesus the God of heavens... Jesus said it plainly in John 17.... He said Father the GLORY thou hast given me I have given them.... Glory as MAN, Son of MAN.... but Jesus also said... Father it is time that you glorify thy Son with the glorification that He had BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.... Note this was NOT the Glory he had as man, but the GLORY HE HAS AS GOD.... He did not come in ALL HIS GLORY, only in some... And that some, is what GOD GLORIFIES US WITH TO BE ABLE TO BE RIGHTEOUS....

But Jesus was glorified as the Son of God here on earth as well and this glory he used to GLORIFY His Father right here on earth.... If JEsus had no glory HE COULD NOT GLORIFY GOD.... Same with us, IF JESUS does not give us glory, we CANNOT serve (glorify) God with a holy life... A perfect life...

That is why God has to glorify us... so that HE CAN BE GLORIFIED... only God's Glory CAN Glorify God.... No sinner can glorify God. Only righteous people glorifies God... And they do it IN HIS NAME..... Here is how it can be done....


God sanctfy them to be apart... then God GLORIFY them to REMAIN APART and IN HIS NAME (In HIS Righteousness).... And ONLY SINLESS (righteous) can run into this NAME OF GOD...


Then this is SO TRUE.... The Name of The Lord is a strong tower THE RIGHTEOUS run into, and they are SAFE (Set ALOFT).... WOW.....SET ALOFT IS SAFE, OR SAVED.... WOW!!! ALL saved are set ALOFT IN HIS NAME... they are truly GLORIFIED.... Glorified is to be made GODLY, PART OF GOD, PART OF HIS KINGDOM.... What an AWESOME POWERFUL God we serve...


Zone Jesus' POWER over the flesh he MOVES, is to keep it holy, but decay in the flesh will still happen, because God said the flesh does not prohet the EVERLASTING. Even though God's righteous also gets old, they still cannot sin.... However there are two evidences that God can even keep the flesh strong if He wants... Moses did not grow old... he stayed fourty. But he also was laid to rest, even his flesh cannot go into eternity.... We all will get an immortal body, but the immortal man is made here.... Righteous, and perfect and Godly by the Lord Himself.... The person would not be changed on bit, but the BODY WILL.....


You are NOT the flesh you clothe, you are the person in the vessel. But you can be a holy perfect person in the VESSEL OF GOD... His Spirit is that vessel.... Then you are NOT in the flesh, but in God... the flesh you once clothed, are now filled with God's Spirit, and you are in GOD.... Not in flesh... I know it sounds weird, but ONLY God can show you this. My dear friend, if God fills your body with His Spirit, there is ONLY HOLY SPIRIT in your flesh... Your spirit (the old sinning one DIED, and God made it alive as HIS OWN SPIRIT... HOLY SPIRIT... and that is the NEW YOU.... To the same GLORY OF THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN JESUS CHRIST HERE ON EARTH...


Lord, PLEASE SHOW ZONE THIS MYSTERY OF THE FAITH. She would LOVE YOu FOR IT LORD.... And thank you Lord Jesus that YOU SHOWED ME. AMEN!

Zonie in that TOWER is NO SIN, and NOBODY THERE CAN SIN BECAUSE THERE IS NO SIN... It is on the other side of the NARROW GATE.... ony the righteous can enter...
 
Matthew 19:17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

The above was before the cross, Christ himself said there is only one Good and that is God his Father.
About righteous and being righteous. There is only one righteous and that is God the Father of Christ.
Now to have righteousness or chewy goodness, is from God by one's believing God and it is not anyone's righteousness except God's. Who is sharing it with you.
We are not imitators of Good, as in ever being perfect, Rather we are participators in God's righteousness, thanks to Christ who did this for us via the cross
Colossians 1:22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight

This through Christ is given to Father so that when we believe we can receive the new life he came to give to us and start the renewing of our minds to see all things from God the Father's perspective after the resurrection, which becomes our resurre4ction in the Spirit of God


  1. Romans 12:2
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
  2. Ephesians 4:23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
 
Different translations, the one that I put up there left out God as the only one good
Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
 
Homy and then he said to the RICH man.... OH, You want to be perfect? Then go and give all your things to the poor and FOLLOW ME....

Looks like people who follow Jesus is made PERFECT... Matthew 19:21... Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Question to all here on CC...
If that man went and sell all his things, give it to the poor and came back and followed Jesus, would he have been perfect?

I VOTE YES... Jesus does not lie...
What abut us that picks up our cross and follow Jesus? Would we turn out perfect, and right here on earth? The Bible also says YES, we will be like God on this earth... As God is so are we in this world.... Holy and PERFECT. God's commands and ones HE ENABLES US TO KEEP!!!
 
i love you too Cobus.
i don't know to what to say to help you.
you have a zeal, but your ideas are decidely out there, man.

somehow you have to push restart.
stop being self-taught - it's NOT working.

either that or quit playing games and give up your sinful ways and repent and be baptized and get on with the joy and peace of knowing you are redeemed (IF YOU BELIEVE THE RIGHT GOSPEL AND CHRIST), and do the hard work of putting to death the deeds of the flesh.

you're looking for a quick fix that isn't Biblical, and you're distorting the true God.
man....it's not even 8am i already need a nap dude.


Zone all my ideas are straight from the Bible, I have ALWAYS given scripture as proof for EVERY IDEA I gave... And yu say I look for a quick fix.... WOW, is there one? I am looking for GOD'S FIX... there is only one standard with God.... PERFECT FIX... Quick I guess depends on him. God said HE DETERMINES GROWTH...

So if the fixed product is grown to MATURITY, PERFECTION or whatever you want to call it... Then the fix is still God's fix... PERFECT and God determines how long to FIX...

Some people are slowed down for OTHER'S sake... Like Paul. Paul wanted to be WITH God, but for the sake of others he was still kept here....
 
Homy and then he said to the RICH man.... OH, You want to be perfect? Then go and give all your things to the poor and FOLLOW ME....

Looks like people who follow Jesus is made PERFECT... Matthew 19:21... Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Question to all here on CC...
If that man went and sell all his things, give it to the poor and came back and followed Jesus, would he have been perfect?

I VOTE YES... Jesus does not lie...
What abut us that picks up our cross and follow Jesus? Would we turn out perfect, and right here on earth? The Bible also says YES, we will be like God on this earth... As God is so are we in this world.... Holy and PERFECT. God's commands and ones HE ENABLES US TO KEEP!!!

Hi Cobus, I was wondering if I could ask you a question? Do you ever notice your thoughts are in third person sometimes? There will be your own thoughts, and 2 others that would be very faint, answering your own thoughts sometimes, and seemingly conflicting in their nature? The voices would be very small and hard to recognize, and could even be confused for your own inner dialogue?

Many people would call this your conscience. It can be most prevalent during quiet extended prayer, or when we are faced with difficult decisions, especially those demanding a moral response. I think this is how God speaks to us. Right before sleep and right after waking up (I mean immediately after or before), these voices have been very "loud" for me with a one word or short phrase "answer".

It's my personal belief that this is how God speaks to us. I don't think it's meant to be an audible voice, and if I was hearing audible voices, there could be several other explanations, but they are not explanation that you would accept. Self-deception, mental illness, or demonic activity.

If you look at the audible voice from a biblical perspective, when God spoke audibly, it was accompanied by some major visually significant event. i.e. the burning bush, the pillar of fire and smoke, Paul being blinded, elaborate visions, men falling down paralyzed before him, and things of this nature. They were undeniable events. If God was audibly speaking to someone, I would expect miraculous signs to prelude it, and I don't think it would be an every day event, or even once in our lifetime event.

This is just my opinion bud and I'm happy to see you on fire for God, but I just find it so hard to accept some of the things you are claiming. And about the sinless thing: are you really being honest with yourself? Do you truly believe deep down in your heart that you make no mistakes whatsoever? Ever? In the old testament there was a distinction between an ignorant transgression and a willful sin, and both required a sacrifice for them.

I will grant that you may have overcome the bonds of powerful willful sins that bound you, but do you truly believe that you never sin out of ignorance? Never? Never at all?
 
God only knows ONE LEVEL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... HIS OWN...

well, this is true.
are you intending to match that?

by what means?

There is only ONE LEVEL of holiness...GOD'S

okay.
so how will you be as Holy as God, Cobus?

Romans 4
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.3For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”4Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,6just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.

8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.”

9Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.”10How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised;11and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them,12and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

13For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.14For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;15for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

16For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,17(as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.18In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “SO SHALL YOUR DESCENDANTS BE.”19Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb;20yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God,21and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.22Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.23Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him,24but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,25He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

.....

Cobus, when someone is born from above, they are declared righteous (justified) by God.

He justifies (declares as a Judge) the ungodly, because He is God, and He can be BOTH JUST (perfectly righteous in His Judgments, never diminishing His Law, or His Holiness or Perfection) AND the JUSTIFIER (full aquittal, not guilty, pardoned, made righteous) of the one who believes (has faith) in.........WHAT?

on what ground does He justify (declare righteous) the guilty?

because He worked a work in them that made them as Holy and Righteous as he is literally?
not even you believe this, Cobus, as this would mean you believe you will be A God, with The God.

or is it that He sent Jesus to live Perfectly under the Law, then to die as a the perfect sacrifice for OUR sins, SO THAT -

GOD, who requires payment for sin (the wages of sin is death) - (He made Him Who knew NO SIN to be sin for us, SO THAT).....WHAT?

2 Corinthians 5:21
21He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

what is: the righteousness of God in Him?

Romans 1:17
For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed--a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

so HOW does God JUSTIFY THE UNGODLY?

Romans 3:25
Justified by Faith

24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

no Christian who has experienced the new birth will say they do not now have a desire (also a gift - it goes with PISTIS, THE GIFT) to do what is right in God's eyes.

they do....He works that in us.

but you can never, ever take away from the Full and Finished Work of Jesus and substitute your own righteousness, even after the new birth Cobus.

God doesn't KILL YOU and evict you from your body and move in Himself.

why would He do THAT?

He could have just created a billion copies of Himself if that was His purpose.

that's not His purpose.

what is His purpose?

Ephesians 1:6
5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
 
This morning I was reading some veses about people the Bible refers to as righteous.... Oh boy are there many verses about the righteous....

Now reading these verses I would have to know how righteous these people are. Are the completely without sin? For unroghteousness is sin... It is sin that makes a person UNRIGHTEOUS. So if the Word of God, given in by HIM calls a person righteous, how righteous (without sin) is this person....

In 1 John God says,... the righteous is as righteous as God Himself is righteous.... So CREEPY as it may sound, it still is the TRUTH OF GOD.. a righteous man DOING righteousness is as righteous as God is righteous... Dn then God says whosoever does not do righteousness (as he is righteous or to HIS standard) is NOT OF GOD... WOW!!!! God's righteousness is HIGH...
Ok I do not want to derail myself... so let us talk about a righteous man....


In the Bible there are MANY references to righteous man or the righteous people.... Whether it is imputed, actual person changing, salvation or a anything, in God's eyes, these people are RIGHTEOUS.... without sin... and it is NOT that God turns blind on their sin, then He has to turn blind on HIS OWN SIN AS WELL for he says they are as RIGHTEOUS AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS... Either they sin as God and He sees not that sin, or they ACTUALLY does not sin LIKE GOD DOES NOT SIN.... God does not lie.


Now I want to share something with you..... God's Name nd what it is.. and WHO CAN ENTER INTO HIS NAME.....

Zone before ANY person can enter into HIS name God has to cleanse that person AND give that person something..... God has to give that person GLORY.... OF HIS OWN GLORY.... To the measure of HIS SON'S GLORY AS MAN... AS PERFECT MAN... We will NEVER GET THE GLORY OF GOD, but we WILL GET THE GLORY OF THE SON OF MAN.....The Glory Jesus got as the Son here on earth... Glory is the GODLY gift of the HOLY SPIRIT... The Holy Spirit is OUR GLORY IN GOD... We are GLORIFIED IN GOD by the IMPLANTING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.... ALL righteous people are righteous, and KEPT righteous by the HOLY SPIRIT THAT MOVES THEM... THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT LIVES IN THEM and they LIVE IN HIM... They live in glory and glory lives in them...

A righteous man is not rghteeous EVER by his own doing.... GOD WANTED THE MAN RIGHTEOUS, and GOD MADE HIM RIGHTEOUS. And God only knows ONE LEVEL OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.... HIS OWN... If you do not believe this, then I also cannot help any of you.... There is only ONE LEVEL of holiness... GOD'S, One level of righteousness... God's. There are however two levels of GLORY.... One for us to the level of Jesus made man, and God's Glory in God as Christ Jesus the God of heavens... Jesus said it plainly in John 17.... He said Father the GLORY thou hast given me I have given them.... Glory as MAN, Son of MAN.... but Jesus also said... Father it is time that you glorify thy Son with the glorification that He had BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.... Note this was NOT the Glory he had as man, but the GLORY HE HAS AS GOD.... He did not come in ALL HIS GLORY, only in some... And that some, is what GOD GLORIFIES US WITH TO BE ABLE TO BE RIGHTEOUS....

But Jesus was glorified as the Son of God here on earth as well and this glory he used to GLORIFY His Father right here on earth.... If JEsus had no glory HE COULD NOT GLORIFY GOD.... Same with us, IF JESUS does not give us glory, we CANNOT serve (glorify) God with a holy life... A perfect life...

That is why God has to glorify us... so that HE CAN BE GLORIFIED... only God's Glory CAN Glorify God.... No sinner can glorify God. Only righteous people glorifies God... And they do it IN HIS NAME..... Here is how it can be done....


God sanctfy them to be apart... then God GLORIFY them to REMAIN APART and IN HIS NAME (In HIS Righteousness).... And ONLY SINLESS (righteous) can run into this NAME OF GOD...


Then this is SO TRUE.... The Name of The Lord is a strong tower THE RIGHTEOUS run into, and they are SAFE (Set ALOFT).... WOW.....SET ALOFT IS SAFE, OR SAVED.... WOW!!! ALL saved are set ALOFT IN HIS NAME... they are truly GLORIFIED.... Glorified is to be made GODLY, PART OF GOD, PART OF HIS KINGDOM.... What an AWESOME POWERFUL God we serve...


Zone Jesus' POWER over the flesh he MOVES, is to keep it holy, but decay in the flesh will still happen, because God said the flesh does not prohet the EVERLASTING. Even though God's righteous also gets old, they still cannot sin.... However there are two evidences that God can even keep the flesh strong if He wants... Moses did not grow old... he stayed fourty. But he also was laid to rest, even his flesh cannot go into eternity.... We all will get an immortal body, but the immortal man is made here.... Righteous, and perfect and Godly by the Lord Himself.... The person would not be changed on bit, but the BODY WILL.....


You are NOT the flesh you clothe, you are the person in the vessel. But you can be a holy perfect person in the VESSEL OF GOD... His Spirit is that vessel.... Then you are NOT in the flesh, but in God... the flesh you once clothed, are now filled with God's Spirit, and you are in GOD.... Not in flesh... I know it sounds weird, but ONLY God can show you this. My dear friend, if God fills your body with His Spirit, there is ONLY HOLY SPIRIT in your flesh... Your spirit (the old sinning one DIED, and God made it alive as HIS OWN SPIRIT... HOLY SPIRIT... and that is the NEW YOU.... To the same GLORY OF THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN JESUS CHRIST HERE ON EARTH...


Lord, PLEASE SHOW ZONE THIS MYSTERY OF THE FAITH. She would LOVE YOu FOR IT LORD.... And thank you Lord Jesus that YOU SHOWED ME. AMEN!

Zonie in that TOWER is NO SIN, and NOBODY THERE CAN SIN BECAUSE THERE IS NO SIN... It is on the other side of the NARROW GATE.... ony the righteous can enter...

That only God makes righteous how?
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

How many believe the above 100% and if do, what might tale place, new life and not sin as you say, I see what you say, yet there are many that do not.
 
Homy and then he said to the RICH man.... OH, You want to be perfect? Then go and give all your things to the poor and FOLLOW ME....

Looks like people who follow Jesus is made PERFECT... Matthew 19:21... Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Question to all here on CC...
If that man went and sell all his things, give it to the poor and came back and followed Jesus, would he have been perfect?

I VOTE YES... Jesus does not lie...
What abut us that picks up our cross and follow Jesus? Would we turn out perfect, and right here on earth? The Bible also says YES, we will be like God on this earth... As God is so are we in this world.... Holy and PERFECT. God's commands and ones HE ENABLES US TO KEEP!!!

but Cobus, absolutely, but he did not and walked away sad. There are other verses that say if your hand sins cut it off, and if you lust gouge out your eye, better for part of you to go to heaven than all of you to go to hell.
So the disciples finally ask Christ how is it possible fro man to enter heaven and Jesus's reply
Matthew 19:26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

You see Cobus, it is by God and from God to the believer that makes the believer righteous, through the death of Christ and then new life is awaiting for that believer to walk as he walked in the Spirit of God.
For Christ walked this way. by the Holy Spirit of God, where he did nothing or said nothing unless the Father told him.
This same Holy Spirit is for us those that believe as was for Paul who was Saul.
So we should not sin no more and will come to not sin if we are truly accepted in the beloved

[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

So Cobus do you believe the above verse I do and see beyond into the new life in the Spirit of God that we are all called to if one belief's. Unfortunately many are working at this to become, instead of letting God do in them what they can't do in themselves ever as Christ so well showed the Disciples
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

So after the cross is where when Christ rose that the keys to Heaven and Hell were taken away from Satan, and Judged.
Leaving only one thing left for us all, to believe God or not, and many do not believe this about God


  1. Romans 5:8
    But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
  2. Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
  3. 2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
 
My dear friends, In this spirit I can share with you all. There are things I experienced that I do not want to share with you, hopefully YET.... I hope God would let us share it soon. If I do share this Forthangel will say I am truly luny-boy...

I would as you this Forth.. .When God appeared in dreams and visions to many, did the other people know about His visit... because if God talks to us in ANY of His ways, the only one or ones that God speaks to, will have NO DOUBT about the authority of God.... AND THE GOD WHOM HE IS. So I am not confused, and EVEYTHING I EVER heard of God is 100% confirmed by Word and other people or signs.

I am NOT boasting but I am humbly agknowledging God as MY TEACHER, and my LORD, that He truly gave me a PERFECT GREAT AND AWESOME gift. God gave me the GIFT to know the TRUTH. His Word, His SON and HIMSELF is the TRUTH. I ask God right this moment to confirm this to every reader. You see Paul also said... these people have a great zeal for God, but without knowledge.... In my case I have a great zeal for God but also with HIS KNOWLEDGE.... And then God says... If I come to the knowledge of HIS SON... ALSO HIS KNOWLEDGE, unto the fulness of His Son, I will be made UNTO A PERFECT MAN... If I do not believe that statement, why is God giving me ALL this Truth and knowledge of HIMSELF AND HIS WORD AND HIS SON?

I have loved you all so much, that it ALSMOST became a sin to love you so much. I have done ALL I could to get that doubting and false Jesus delivered from you. Unbelief is not only sin it is weakness. It upset the real Jesus so much that He wept because the people did not BELIEVE Him. He also wept IN ME many times.

Every time I want to steer of to think like you people again, that voice KEEPS TALKING TO ME, so much so that MY EARS hears the voice. My dear friends, Paul had many people with him when Jesus spoke to him... did they hear the voice. I know they saw the light, but did they hear? Did they even hear Saul's voice talking to Jesus?

God will NOT have me wonder off unto other paths again. His Scripture is infelliable, but also HID. If God does not unlock your ears, you WILL NOT HEAR, and if HE does not unlock you eyes you WILL NOT SEE. I cannot do it for you, and I pray God will at least give you this ONE LITTLE Lesson that I will share with you today.

I will bring two scriptures together so that you can see that God does not change and neither does His salvation to PERFECTION OF CHARACTOR change.

Eg again mentioned 1 John 1:8 as an excuse to continue to sin, or actually make Jesus a lier. Because the same John later in His 1 John letter refers two times to COMPLETE SINLESS STATE. Why not take that direction..... And yesterday when we had the Bible on the table just praising God by LISTENING to God this happened....

Revelation of Scripture is to ADVANCE TO GOD'S GOAL FOR US.... God's Goal for us is to BE IN HIM, and HE IN US...You see a lot of people say... I have the Holy Spirit in me, but they NEVER say, I am IN GOD. but you cannot be one of the two, You can only be in God if He is in YOU... And IN GOD IS NO SIN... If you can get this idea in you head then you can see that GOD REMOVED YOU FROM SIN AND SIN FROM YOU..... It is a PERFECT SEPERATION in you and in HIM. God says as far as the East is from the West... that is how far the RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE are removed from sin.... ALL SIN, and ALL EVIL...

The WHOLE World lieth in iniquity, but that is the WORLD... God's children is NOT OF THE WORLD, only IN IT, but also SANCTIFIED FROM IT.... Just like JESUS WAS... From another Kingdom, even in the flesh and the World but still GODLY DIFFERENT... Please understand that they are GODLY DIFFERENT... that means they are a NEW CREATION, made BY GOD'S HANDS TO A PERFECT OBJECT TO SHOW HIS GODLINESS HERE ON EARTH.... PERFECT! God maybe made a mistake givin Adam a choice to eat or not to eat, but God did not give the NEW CREATURE ANY OTHER THING BUT HIS PERFECT WILL TO LIVE A GODLY LIFE HERE ON EARTH.... WOVED BY HIS SPIRIT, EVERY SECOND GOD WANTS HIS SPIRIT IN THAT CREATURE.

Now let me show you HOW GOD DOES THIS, in 1 John 1, and in Ezekiel 36....

We all know we were sinners, and there is no one that can say, I have no sin (when God starts working with us, God calls SINNERS) And ALL called people are SINNERS... But he does not call sinners to be sinners, he calls sinners to REPENT... STOP SINNING.... This is called... God calls people with a stoney heart, and a sinning sprit.

Here is the CALLING of God...
1 John 1 :8... If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Ezekiel 36....A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 John 1:9...If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Ezekiel 36:And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

1 John 1:10... If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

SINNED IS PAST PAST PAST TENCE.... Because GOD CLEANSE AND SAVED.... TO PERFECT HOLINESS AS HIMSELF.

GOD REMOVED THE STONEY (SINNING) heart. And He REPLACED it with HIS HEART OF FLESH and the sinning spirit is also REPLACED BY HIS HOLY SPRIT. HIS PERFECT HEART AND SPIRIT.... God can ONLY MAKE PERFECT... If HE makes me a knew CREATURE ALL the OLD IS GONE, REMOVED BY GOD... NOT ME by HIM.

God only knows ONE WAY to save.... it is to make HIS CHILDREN RIGHTEOUS AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH... It is a COPLETE, MATURE, HOLY and PERFECT SALVATION... Right here on earth... He saves us HERE COMPLETELY....

I did not say you should be perfect as HE IS PERFECT... Jesus said you should. Not me. And you keep thinking I am crazy to believe Him. I trust Jesus to do as HE WILLS with me. If He does not want to save me, I will ALWAYS be a sinner, but if HE COMMANDS ME TO BE PERFECT, he will ALSO DO SO...

And He does it by CREATING a NEW creature PERFECTLY made in HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS... Just AS GOD MADE WITH THE PERFECT ADAM.... JESUS!!! That is how powerful God saves...

Please believe this..... Jesus said.... IF I MAKE YOU FREE YOU ARE FREE INDEED.... And He does it right here on earth....

Father, thank you for calling this sinner, Cobus, to your HIGH CALLING IN CHRIST... Lord please let me not remain a called one but also an ELECT ONE, Lord give me the strength to endure to the end and be saved.... AMEN!
 
My dear friends, In this spirit I can share with you all. There are things I experienced that I do not want to share with you, hopefully YET.... I hope God would let us share it soon. If I do share this Forthangel will say I am truly luny-boy...

I would as you this Forth.. .When God appeared in dreams and visions to many, did the other people know about His visit... because if God talks to us in ANY of His ways, the only one or ones that God speaks to, will have NO DOUBT about the authority of God.... AND THE GOD WHOM HE IS. So I am not confused, and EVEYTHING I EVER heard of God is 100% confirmed by Word and other people or signs.

I am NOT boasting but I am humbly agknowledging God as MY TEACHER, and my LORD, that He truly gave me a PERFECT GREAT AND AWESOME gift. God gave me the GIFT to know the TRUTH. His Word, His SON and HIMSELF is the TRUTH. I ask God right this moment to confirm this to every reader. You see Paul also said... these people have a great zeal for God, but without knowledge.... In my case I have a great zeal for God but also with HIS KNOWLEDGE.... And then God says... If I come to the knowledge of HIS SON... ALSO HIS KNOWLEDGE, unto the fulness of His Son, I will be made UNTO A PERFECT MAN... If I do not believe that statement, why is God giving me ALL this Truth and knowledge of HIMSELF AND HIS WORD AND HIS SON?

I have loved you all so much, that it ALSMOST became a sin to love you so much. I have done ALL I could to get that doubting and false Jesus delivered from you. Unbelief is not only sin it is weakness. It upset the real Jesus so much that He wept because the people did not BELIEVE Him. He also wept IN ME many times.

Every time I want to steer of to think like you people again, that voice KEEPS TALKING TO ME, so much so that MY EARS hears the voice. My dear friends, Paul had many people with him when Jesus spoke to him... did they hear the voice. I know they saw the light, but did they hear? Did they even hear Saul's voice talking to Jesus?

God will NOT have me wonder off unto other paths again. His Scripture is infelliable, but also HID. If God does not unlock your ears, you WILL NOT HEAR, and if HE does not unlock you eyes you WILL NOT SEE. I cannot do it for you, and I pray God will at least give you this ONE LITTLE Lesson that I will share with you today.

I will bring two scriptures together so that you can see that God does not change and neither does His salvation to PERFECTION OF CHARACTOR change.

Eg again mentioned 1 John 1:8 as an excuse to continue to sin, or actually make Jesus a lier. Because the same John later in His 1 John letter refers two times to COMPLETE SINLESS STATE. Why not take that direction..... And yesterday when we had the Bible on the table just praising God by LISTENING to God this happened....

Revelation of Scripture is to ADVANCE TO GOD'S GOAL FOR US.... God's Goal for us is to BE IN HIM, and HE IN US...You see a lot of people say... I have the Holy Spirit in me, but they NEVER say, I am IN GOD. but you cannot be one of the two, You can only be in God if He is in YOU... And IN GOD IS NO SIN... If you can get this idea in you head then you can see that GOD REMOVED YOU FROM SIN AND SIN FROM YOU..... It is a PERFECT SEPERATION in you and in HIM. God says as far as the East is from the West... that is how far the RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE are removed from sin.... ALL SIN, and ALL EVIL...

The WHOLE World lieth in iniquity, but that is the WORLD... God's children is NOT OF THE WORLD, only IN IT, but also SANCTIFIED FROM IT.... Just like JESUS WAS... From another Kingdom, even in the flesh and the World but still GODLY DIFFERENT... Please understand that they are GODLY DIFFERENT... that means they are a NEW CREATION, made BY GOD'S HANDS TO A PERFECT OBJECT TO SHOW HIS GODLINESS HERE ON EARTH.... PERFECT! God maybe made a mistake givin Adam a choice to eat or not to eat, but God did not give the NEW CREATURE ANY OTHER THING BUT HIS PERFECT WILL TO LIVE A GODLY LIFE HERE ON EARTH.... WOVED BY HIS SPIRIT, EVERY SECOND GOD WANTS HIS SPIRIT IN THAT CREATURE.

Now let me show you HOW GOD DOES THIS, in 1 John 1, and in Ezekiel 36....

We all know we were sinners, and there is no one that can say, I have no sin (when God starts working with us, God calls SINNERS) And ALL called people are SINNERS... But he does not call sinners to be sinners, he calls sinners to REPENT... STOP SINNING.... This is called... God calls people with a stoney heart, and a sinning sprit.

Here is the CALLING of God...
1 John 1 :8... If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Ezekiel 36....A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 John 1:9...If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Ezekiel 36:And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

1 John 1:10... If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

SINNED IS PAST PAST PAST TENCE.... Because GOD CLEANSE AND SAVED.... TO PERFECT HOLINESS AS HIMSELF.

GOD REMOVED THE STONEY (SINNING) heart. And He REPLACED it with HIS HEART OF FLESH and the sinning spirit is also REPLACED BY HIS HOLY SPRIT. HIS PERFECT HEART AND SPIRIT.... God can ONLY MAKE PERFECT... If HE makes me a knew CREATURE ALL the OLD IS GONE, REMOVED BY GOD... NOT ME by HIM.

God only knows ONE WAY to save.... it is to make HIS CHILDREN RIGHTEOUS AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS RIGHT HERE ON EARTH... It is a COPLETE, MATURE, HOLY and PERFECT SALVATION... Right here on earth... He saves us HERE COMPLETELY....

I did not say you should be perfect as HE IS PERFECT... Jesus said you should. Not me. And you keep thinking I am crazy to believe Him. I trust Jesus to do as HE WILLS with me. If He does not want to save me, I will ALWAYS be a sinner, but if HE COMMANDS ME TO BE PERFECT, he will ALSO DO SO...

And He does it by CREATING a NEW creature PERFECTLY made in HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS... Just AS GOD MADE WITH THE PERFECT ADAM.... JESUS!!! That is how powerful God saves...

Please believe this..... Jesus said.... IF I MAKE YOU FREE YOU ARE FREE INDEED.... And He does it right here on earth....

Father, thank you for calling this sinner, Cobus, to your HIGH CALLING IN CHRIST... Lord please let me not remain a called one but also an ELECT ONE, Lord give me the strength to endure to the end and be saved.... AMEN!

And Cobus I need a response on this verse below, do you believe the verse below to be true. This is how you are made Holy
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

All done by God through belief in God. Yes God makes us Holy, not ourselves at all, even though we can put on good shows, we of self can't be Holy. Only God can through us where God is the only one getting the credit, as I (not me) God through me has daily kept me from Sin, and if I possibly do sin, I, you and all if believe have our advocate
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Romans 3:22 even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

We are in unredeemed bodies and are therefore to reckon ourselves dead to sin by the death of Christ and through belief in God we are born again if we believe "into" Christ's death and resurrection. And then Christ's death is our death to flesh and Christ's resurrected life is our life in the Spirit of God and when this is seen and known to anyone from God then they probably won't sin again, yet if they do they understand Jesus the righteous as the propitiation for their sin and is forgiven past tense, and are joyful in the Lord for his doing this for them and ask to be shown how this took place and God shows then and they do it no more as they get taught how to walk circumspectly by God.
But if one that believes and has not been perfected in their walk yet believe God, and they die, does this make God's grace void?
God forbid, God knows who are his and who are not, who is sincere, and who are not, and he said to the thief you will be with me in paradise today.
God just love us Cobus, all the whole world.
Did God do this below as John the Baptist said he would
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.