Free will? really?

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phil36

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All we have to do is produce at a high enough level to where all can be satisfied. God gave us the technology to do this!

That's what Lennon, stalin and the Chinese guy cant remember his name said..but there was a problem wasn't there.......Man!
 
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Matthew 20:25-27

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.26*But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;27*And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

This is how a leader from God is to be!
 
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Matthew 20:25-27

But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.26*But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;27*And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

This is how a leader from God is to be!
Agreed.
They forfeit the riches of this world for those in the kingdom of heaven.
That is the definition of a true 'minister'.
 
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Really?
So God couldn't keep it going?
So God is not strong enough to kill all the half hearted givers into the communitarian pot?
He killed two? Why couldn't he keep killing for total equal distribution of wealth?
Why? Because they weren't killed for not giving, they were killed for saying they gave something they held back.
Called charity.
It doesn't come from the point of a gun, or the pointy finger of an apostle.
Called free will gift.
Infact, that's the whole point of giving, that we freely give as we are given.

You would have equal distribution at the muzzle of a gun.
They were killed for lying. It was theirs to do as they wished.
 
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That's what Lennon, stalin and the Chinese guy cant remember his name said..but there was a problem wasn't there.......Man!
Mao Tse Tung.........He killed 60 million of his own people. - But I'm sure it was all to redistribute.
 
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lol.. You missed the point altogether.

It does not support you. How many times has God let you fall into trouble of your own bringing? Yet how many times did God put a road block in your way, and cause you to chose something else. Listen to what you just said,
how many times has GOD LET YOU FALL INTO TROUBLE BY YOUR OWN BRINGING?


That was the point. Not what you claim it is. What? That GOD let's us fall into trouble? Those are your words, not mine.

Thats why no one can speak to you guys.. You take what we say, you twist it. and you claim this and that,(Who are the we? You and Skinski and other Armenians?)

If you want to follow men. Feel free.

I will follow the Lord. But you just said you control your own destiny, how much more of an Armenian can you be?

God did not create people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell.So you will save yourself with the example of Christ? Like a true Armenian? You are so much like Skinski in your theology! without giving them every chance in the world to chose to follow the schoolmaster. You really need to read Romans.

If you think he did. You do not know God. So there is a small island of righteousness within the human soul,...a true pelagian are you.

stop following men, and follow God.
Wow, the Christian world. If they have no atheists or pagans to fight with, they fight about if Jesus is God or not. When they don't disagree on that, they fight with each other over whether to keep God's law or not. When they don't fight over that, they fight with each other over the Trinity concept. For those that don't fight over that, they fight over Calvinism vs. Armenianism. Then they just fight... and fight... and fight... and fight....
 
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Wow, the Christian world. If they have no atheists or pagans to fight with, they fight about if Jesus is God or not. When they don't disagree on that, they fight with each other over whether to keep God's law or not. When they don't fight over that, they fight with each other over the Trinity concept. For those that don't fight over that, they fight over Calvinism vs. Armenianism. Then they just fight... and fight... and fight... and fight....
It's called doctrine. (Truth)
People were killed for it. (See Foxes Book of Martyrs)
This is a Bible Forum and we are not killing each other.
 
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He who does not love his brothers is a murderer.
Oh, and hey; we're so confused as the body of Christ we have to fight over doctrine 24/7? That's really an impressive testimony.
 
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Oh, and hey; we're so confused as the body of Christ we have to fight over doctrine 24/7? That's really an impressive testimony.
If after 100's of years still arguing over a trinity or if Jesus is God, I would say that confusion still reigns supreme.
 
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If after 100's of years still arguing over a trinity or if Jesus is God, I would say that confusion still reigns supreme.
Well, spoken from one who thinks ants are communitarians is a lesson indeed, thanks for your imput.
 
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Again ant colonies work TOGETHER, all with no ruler, and GETS. IT. DONE!
 
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Again ant colonies work TOGETHER, all with no ruler, and GETS. IT. DONE!
Listen........ants are insects.
They have a queen who lays eggs.
They work to procreate their species, (because that is the way God wired them).
When Solomon declared - "Consider the ant thou sluggard", he was not making a political statement.
He was making a 'work or don't eat' statement.
What else can be said? - Please.
 
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Listen........ants are insects.
They have a queen who lays eggs.
They work to procreate their species, (because that is the way God wired them).
When Solomon declared - "Consider the ant thou sluggard", he was not making a political statement.
He was making a 'work or don't eat' statement.
What else can be said? - Please.

Believe what you want. All I'm asking is how do you fill 18 million plus empty homes with people who will never be able to afford one with no money?
 
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It almost sounds like you want to argue any explanation of free will simply because of the consequences associated with making a choice which you seem to see as making the choice for you. But people still make the wrong choice - break laws, hurt people, hurt themselves. If you CHOOSE not to go to work tomorrow that is your decision, but it doesn't mean you won't lose that day's pay and won't get reprimanded by your boss. You may even lose that job if you CHOOSE to do that too often for no good reason. But you are still FREE to do that. What is so difficult here?

As Forthangel said, the chaos and anarchy that would derive from absolute freedom from repercussions and consequences would be complete disaster. That would not be freedom at all.

I believe God has an Intentional plan, and Intentional Will. What he INTENDS for us and the world. We do what we humans do, make our decisions one way or the other, and then God goes to his Circumstantial Will -the same planned outcome, but changes in how He moves things along in the wake of the decisions we humans have made. When all is said and done, there will be God's Ultimate Will - the outcome He had INTENDED from the beginning, that just took a different route to get to.
 
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Wow, the Christian world. If they have no atheists or pagans to fight with, they fight about if Jesus is God or not. When they don't disagree on that, they fight with each other over whether to keep God's law or not. When they don't fight over that, they fight with each other over the Trinity concept. For those that don't fight over that, they fight over Calvinism vs. Armenianism. Then they just fight... and fight... and fight... and fight....
Why are debates and discussions referred to as fighting? Can we not have these dialogues, however strongly one feels about his own beliefs, without them turning angry? Name calling? So not necessary! Just because we disagree doesn't mean we dislike. Or it shouldn't. The Bible has been debated, discussed, studied and interpreted for centuries and will continue to for centuries to come, unless Jesus comes back sooner. It's how we learn from each other, fellowship, reason and discern. We ask God for His wisdom and then share it with others, who may or may not take it for what it's worth. If we all agreed on all of it there would be no need for this forum or any other. So lets discuss, debate and interpret, not fight.