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not just Roman 6, yet as God has shown me it is clear to me today, as in past it was not. Paul in each epistle to each group of believers he continuously shows free will and to please make the choice between Flesh and Spirit of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
So my free will is to walk in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ, and know this truth by God and from God whom is rich in Mercy to all by Christ at the cross, and is waiting for all to have made their free will Choice as to whether they believe God or not.
Do you believe his death did this below
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
It is free choice to either believe God or not? God is not a tyrant
This is so no man will be without excuse
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
So my free will is to walk in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ, and know this truth by God and from God whom is rich in Mercy to all by Christ at the cross, and is waiting for all to have made their free will Choice as to whether they believe God or not.
Do you believe his death did this below
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
It is free choice to either believe God or not? God is not a tyrant
This is so no man will be without excuse
Hi Hoemwardbound,
I fully understand what you are saying... but you take it to an illogical extreme.
for some reason you cannot distinguish between mans condition and mans state. hence why I say you have an unhealthy fixation on the flesh.
and it is quite laughable, that you still make the assertion that you have free will or else God is a tyrant...
what you are saying is this:
If I cannot be my own ruler..God is just being a tyrant! (and if you think about that..very fleshy indeed!)
I fully understand what you are saying... but you take it to an illogical extreme.
for some reason you cannot distinguish between mans condition and mans state. hence why I say you have an unhealthy fixation on the flesh.
and it is quite laughable, that you still make the assertion that you have free will or else God is a tyrant...
what you are saying is this:
If I cannot be my own ruler..God is just being a tyrant! (and if you think about that..very fleshy indeed!)
It is the doorway to new life here and now in the Spirit of God
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:33-58[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? [SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: [SUP]37 [/SUP]and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: [SUP]38 [/SUP]but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. [SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. [SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. [SUP]41 [/SUP]There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. [SUP]42 [/SUP]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [SUP]43 [/SUP]it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [SUP]44 [/SUP]it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [SUP]47 [/SUP]The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [SUP]48 [/SUP]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [SUP]49 [/SUP]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
The problem here today is that people do not believe they dead to the Flesh sinful natured Spirit that they were born with by belief in God?
No, people have been convinced as this not possible, being of flesh and blood. Deception has taken place and people are mixing self efforts with God and not seeing what born again actually is.
Which is dead to flesh and alive to God. Let us see what Paul who was Paul says:
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [SUP]18 [/SUP](For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [SUP]21 [/SUP]who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Praying God will reveal this truth to you about the war is between flesh and Spirit and is why we are to reckon ourselves dead to sinful flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God, via the full cross not just the death, life is included
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:33-58[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? [SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: [SUP]37 [/SUP]and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: [SUP]38 [/SUP]but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. [SUP]39 [/SUP]All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. [SUP]40 [/SUP]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. [SUP]41 [/SUP]There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. [SUP]42 [/SUP]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [SUP]43 [/SUP]it is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [SUP]44 [/SUP]it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. [SUP]45 [/SUP]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [SUP]46 [/SUP]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [SUP]47 [/SUP]The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [SUP]48 [/SUP]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [SUP]49 [/SUP]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [SUP]55 [/SUP]O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? [SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. [SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
The problem here today is that people do not believe they dead to the Flesh sinful natured Spirit that they were born with by belief in God?
No, people have been convinced as this not possible, being of flesh and blood. Deception has taken place and people are mixing self efforts with God and not seeing what born again actually is.
Which is dead to flesh and alive to God. Let us see what Paul who was Paul says:
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [SUP]18 [/SUP](For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [SUP]21 [/SUP]who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
Praying God will reveal this truth to you about the war is between flesh and Spirit and is why we are to reckon ourselves dead to sinful flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God, via the full cross not just the death, life is included
flesh is the cause of death that started with Adam and Eve
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
If we all walked in the Spirit would there be divisions?
Free will to die the Spirit of error, Flesh or not and thus either be alive to God or not. This everyone's free will choice to decide.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
If we all walked in the Spirit would there be divisions?
Free will to die the Spirit of error, Flesh or not and thus either be alive to God or not. This everyone's free will choice to decide.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I choose daily to be dead to self ands alive to God. And I am free to make this choice or not. And I am sorry you do not see the truth and are making a mockery of the truth about the war of Flesh and Spirit and I have posted to you the scripture or not.
For one not to make the choice to believe God and ask God to do the walking in and through them, is that one that is in unbelief and are still in their sin
[h=3]John 16:8-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]of sin, because they believe not on me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
To not believe is that not a free choice or to believe?
For one not to make the choice to believe God and ask God to do the walking in and through them, is that one that is in unbelief and are still in their sin
[h=3]John 16:8-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]of sin, because they believe not on me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
To not believe is that not a free choice or to believe?
I certainly agree that you are free to choose ... but that is not free will. Everyone makes choices 
Yes I agree that we are in constant battle with our sinful nature, and that we STILL do shamefully sin..but that God for Jesus... and that's why when we sin, and repent of it, Jesus intercedes and God is Just and faithful to forgive.. I have repeatedly stated this..I find it very strange indeed how you can say that makes a mockery of truth. but sometimes we lower ourselves to say such things to make ourselves look good.. (I have and repented of it).
But I certainly choose
Yes I agree that we are in constant battle with our sinful nature, and that we STILL do shamefully sin..but that God for Jesus... and that's why when we sin, and repent of it, Jesus intercedes and God is Just and faithful to forgive.. I have repeatedly stated this..I find it very strange indeed how you can say that makes a mockery of truth. but sometimes we lower ourselves to say such things to make ourselves look good.. (I have and repented of it).
But I certainly choose
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""I certainly agree that you are free to choose ... but that is not free will. Everyone makes choices ""
Phil: Homwardbound is correct in what he states.
Phil: When you state that everyone makes choices, well that is your free will in action. If God made your choices for you then this world would be full of perfect angels and not one person would be in need of redemption.
God has a plan and knows what choices you will make; however, prayer and choices you make can change his mind and the way he allows the outcome of things to be = this is free will = just as adam and eve eating in the garden was their free will in action.
Phil: Homwardbound is correct in what he states.
Phil: When you state that everyone makes choices, well that is your free will in action. If God made your choices for you then this world would be full of perfect angels and not one person would be in need of redemption.
God has a plan and knows what choices you will make; however, prayer and choices you make can change his mind and the way he allows the outcome of things to be = this is free will = just as adam and eve eating in the garden was their free will in action.