can anyone interpret matthew 24 vs 30 and 31

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

 

[oldhermit]

No doubt you will hear a lot of eschatological interpretation on these two verses. There are two judgment figures used.
The picture of the Son of Man coming in the clouds is strictly a judgment figure from the O.T. It is used in Jer. 4:13 to represent God's judgment on the nation of ancient Judah. This imagery is used by Isaiah in 19:1 to describe God's coming in judgment on the nation of ancient Egypt. It is also used in Ps. 104:3. When this imagery is used, the idea of judgment is to be understood. God is coming on that nation with power and glory. Jesus uses it here to announce the judgment again on the Israel.

The trumpet was used in Israel for a number of reasons. It was used for battle, as well as for the assembling of the people. The imagery of the sounding of the trumpet is defined in the text by the action taken. God is gathering his elect from the four corners of the earth. This is not a picture of the 'rapture' as most will suggest but the spreading of the gospel into the world. The angels are those messengers - ἄγγελοι who preach the gospel. The gathering of the elect is simply the conversion of people from all the nations.

 

[nathan3]

To: KJVAPOCRYPHA :

No personal interpretation needed.

That is Christ return ( It says it in the verse ) at the Last trump written in the Revelation of Christ ( His return to start the 1,000 yrs then forever ). It is the same last trump & the trump the angel sounds at Christ return mentioned by Paul after the tribulation of Antichrist . You can find all those scriptures written .

 

[Hoffco]

The literal truth here is: Jesus will come in the sky and will gather His chosen children out of this world and after this God pours out His wrath on the earth, this has not happen yet, but it is getting closer every day. Just read the New Testament and you will see for yourself what is going on in planet earth. It is hard, but a very rewarding study! Love to all,Hoffco

 

[oldhermit]

To: KJVAPOCRYPHA - That is Christ return at the Last trump in Revelation of Christ, The last trump & the trump the angel sounds at Christ return mentioned by Paul after the tribulation of Antichrist . You can find all those scriptures written .

There is nothing in that entire chapter that points to Christ's second coming. I do not have the time to go into this right now, I have a class to prepare for. If you like I would be happy to address the entire chapter with you later.

 

[nathan3]

There is nothing in that entire chapter that points to Christ's second coming. I do not have the time to go into this right now, I have a class to prepare for. If you like I would be happy to address the entire chapter with you later.

I'm not going to argue the point. But , we are talking about just two verse, I'm drawing from not only the two verses he was interested in , but also all the surrounding teachings related. But I will only highlight points of interest for KJVAPOCRYPHA.



30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Again, this is only 2 verses. I'm really drawing from the entire chapter. But for the sake of not writing out a long study here. If you read just before it. And study the rest, its self explanatory. That is the return of Christ.

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

No doubt you will hear a lot of eschatological interpretation on these two verses. There are two judgment figures used.
The picture of the Son of Man coming in the clouds is strictly a judgment figure from the O.T. It is used in Jer. 4:13 to represent God's judgment on the nation of ancient Judah. This imagery is used by Isaiah in 19:1 to describe God's coming in judgment on the nation of ancient Egypt. It is also used in Ps. 104:3. When this imagery is used, the idea of judgment is to be understood. God is coming on that nation with power and glory. Jesus uses it here to announce the judgment again on the Israel.

The trumpet was used in Israel for a number of reasons. It was used for battle, as well as for the assembling of the people. The imagery of the sounding of the trumpet is defined in the text by the action taken. God is gathering his elect from the four corners of the earth. This is not a picture of the 'rapture' as most will suggest but the spreading of the gospel into the world. The angels are those messengers - ἄγγελοι who preach the gospel. The gathering of the elect is simply the conversion of people from all the nations.

you are very learned. i am impressed

 

[oldhermit]

I'm not going to argue the point. But , we are talking about just two verse, I'm drawing from not only the two verses he was interested in , but also all the surrounding teachings related. But I will only highlight points of interest for KJVAPOCRYPHA.



30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Again, this is only 2 verses. I'm really drawing from the entire chapter. But for the sake of not writing out a long study here. If you read just before it. And study the rest, its self explanatory.

Do you wish to look at the entire chapter with me in a one on one? If not, I shall reserve my time for someone else.

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

Do you wish to look at the entire chapter with me in a one on one? If not, I shall reserve my time for someone else.

how would you interpret this ? revelation 8 vs 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. <<< it does not sound like it is to be taken literal. sounds like there is a deeper meaning to it

 

[oldhermit]

how would you interpret this ? revelation 8 vs 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. <<< it does not sound like it is to be taken literal. sounds like there is a deeper meaning to it

Since this is off the topic for this thread, perhaps we could discuss this in another thread. But, you are right. This is symbolism.

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

Since this is off the topic for this thread, perhaps we could discuss this in another thread.

i started the thread so you would not be derailing because i asked you in particular to help me interpret this revelation verse. thanks. no need for another thread.

 

[SpiritofFire]

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Matthew 16:1-4

16 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

Whatever it means, it must coincide with this as well. We MUST discern the SIGNS OF THE TIMES! Look around you at the sign, THAT NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF MAN, WE HAVE SO MUCH ABUNDANCE!

We can COMFORTABLY house, clothe and feed 12 BILLION people on a planet that presently holds 7 billion! And yet most of the world are STARVING!

The sign of the prophet Jonas is upon us all.

 

[oldhermit]

i started the thread so you would not be derailing because i asked you in particular to help me interpret this revelation verse. thanks. no need for another thread.

LOL. OK. I didn't notice that. If you can wait until this after noon, I'll be happy to talk to you about this. For now I really need to be preparing for a class. Let us say about 4:00 p.m.?

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

LOL. OK. I didn't notice that. If you can wait until this after noon, I'll be happy to talk to you about this. For now I really need to be preparing for a class. Let us say about 4:00 p.m.?

sounds great. have a great class. are you the tutor of the class or a student ? what kinda class do you teach ?

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

hey guys thanks for all your answers. they are appreciated.

 

[oldhermit]

sounds great. have a great class. are you the tutor of the class or a student ? what kinda class do you teach ?

Right now I am teaching the book of Exodus to the Sunday morning auditorium class. I also do a lot of tutoring on line.

 

[KJVAPOCRYPHA]

Right now I am teaching the book of Exodus to the Sunday morning auditorium class. I also do a lot of tutoring on line.

well hopefully you can impart some of that wisdom to us later on today cheers buddy.

 

[homwardbound]

yes I am on board for this as well, thanks in advance

 

[Houly]

Nathan3, you're right.

Matthew 24:4-14 describes the conditions for the past 2,000 years, which will continue until Christ returns. The future Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24:15 will be accompanied by the greatest distress to ever happen in the world. Matthew 24:29-31 is the return of Jesus Christ. He will be seen very obviously by all nations coming on the clouds of heaven.

That's the futurist viewpoint, which I support.

Preterists will offer a past-fulfillment, usually in 70 AD. I reject that. John's Revelation parallels the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24), and there are prophecies throughout Revelation that have not yet been fulfilled: a third of mankind killed, all sea creatures killed, Satan locked up in the Abyss for a thousand years, etc.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

these two verses describe christ's return and the post tribulation rapture at the end of the world