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What you say is so very good. But I truly believe that when we say all of what we do is flesh, meaning worldly, we cannot truly be of God. There is a connection between what we do physically (I mean this as a word apart from fleshly) and our spiritual life with the Lord. I think when we talk about severing that connection we sever the connection to God, too.
That is what Christ says. We are to repent of our sins, and that takes the do of turning from them, and to knowing what is sin. That is I the written law that the Holy Spirit points to.
I experienced putting up a mezuzah. It was a "do". It didn't save me. It didn't make me righteous. It was simply a box with a piece of paper in it say I loved the Lord and I saw it every time I came home. My minister said I should take it down I was not to do this. It was a ritual, etc. So I made a study of what happens when we "do" for the Lord. It is good. It is NOT good that we are so against any doing. The law is instructions in how to "do" love. They are good.
That is what Christ says. We are to repent of our sins, and that takes the do of turning from them, and to knowing what is sin. That is I the written law that the Holy Spirit points to.
I experienced putting up a mezuzah. It was a "do". It didn't save me. It didn't make me righteous. It was simply a box with a piece of paper in it say I loved the Lord and I saw it every time I came home. My minister said I should take it down I was not to do this. It was a ritual, etc. So I made a study of what happens when we "do" for the Lord. It is good. It is NOT good that we are so against any doing. The law is instructions in how to "do" love. They are good.
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Galatians 5:14
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
There is nothing wrong with doing good. The law is holy, just and good. As long as you understand that it has no power to make you holy, just and good. Only the precious blood of Jesus can do that. Summing up the way that we should live is in believing in Christ, and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves, but doing this is not what gives you the righteous standing with God. We are now children of the light, and to not act as children of the light would be a misuse of the grace that we've been given and we would be sewing temporal fleshy seeds into our life that when reaped provide no eternal value.
That sign is simply your way of reminding yourself of your love for the Lord. (Although I prefer to boast of the Lord's love for me rather than my love for Him.) There's nothing wrong with that. The perfect scripture for this is Romans 14 and it's about how we all have different ways of honoring God and there's no point in discrediting another person's ways as opposed to your own - unless it clearly contradicts scripture. (Animal sacrifice, circumcision etc.)
Our flesh is dead. Everything done in the flesh from the moment we are crucified is meaningless acts which bear only bad fruit and dissatisfaction, walking according to the Spirit means that as you develop you will find distaste for the flesh. I don't believe that I have all the answers, I can only go by what Paul has said.
1 John 3:9 says that after we are born again we cannot continue to live in sin. The desires of the flesh were also crucified with Christ, and while it does take time for our bodies to adjust, the carnality of our minds must be discarded and our transitions should go completely with the Holy Spirit so that we can walk as children of the light.
We have to understand that 1 John 3:9 though is referring to the willful desires, and that so long as we are in these wretched bodies that we will not attain perfection. That can only happen when we go to be with the Lord. John is talking about our sinful desires and complacency, happiness to live in sin being crucified. It is impossible for someone who is born of God to be happy with their sinful nature. The Holy Spirit changes our minds to make us desire fruits of the Spirit.
For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
There is nothing wrong with doing good. The law is holy, just and good. As long as you understand that it has no power to make you holy, just and good. Only the precious blood of Jesus can do that. Summing up the way that we should live is in believing in Christ, and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves, but doing this is not what gives you the righteous standing with God. We are now children of the light, and to not act as children of the light would be a misuse of the grace that we've been given and we would be sewing temporal fleshy seeds into our life that when reaped provide no eternal value.
That sign is simply your way of reminding yourself of your love for the Lord. (Although I prefer to boast of the Lord's love for me rather than my love for Him.) There's nothing wrong with that. The perfect scripture for this is Romans 14 and it's about how we all have different ways of honoring God and there's no point in discrediting another person's ways as opposed to your own - unless it clearly contradicts scripture. (Animal sacrifice, circumcision etc.)
Our flesh is dead. Everything done in the flesh from the moment we are crucified is meaningless acts which bear only bad fruit and dissatisfaction, walking according to the Spirit means that as you develop you will find distaste for the flesh. I don't believe that I have all the answers, I can only go by what Paul has said.
1 John 3:9 says that after we are born again we cannot continue to live in sin. The desires of the flesh were also crucified with Christ, and while it does take time for our bodies to adjust, the carnality of our minds must be discarded and our transitions should go completely with the Holy Spirit so that we can walk as children of the light.
We have to understand that 1 John 3:9 though is referring to the willful desires, and that so long as we are in these wretched bodies that we will not attain perfection. That can only happen when we go to be with the Lord. John is talking about our sinful desires and complacency, happiness to live in sin being crucified. It is impossible for someone who is born of God to be happy with their sinful nature. The Holy Spirit changes our minds to make us desire fruits of the Spirit.
That little box is more than a reminder I love the Lord altho it is that. It is doing something suggested by the Lord. It is dedicating my house as a house where prayer and study of the Lord is. It is many things.
God created our bodies, they are not dead, they are the temple of our spirit while it lives in them. You must not call God's temple wretched. Everything we do while we are in our bodies, when we do it for the Lord, is not meaningless.
We are to renew our minds. We are to walk, and we must take our bodies, the temple where our spirit lives, along on that walk. We are not to live in sin, we are to take that sin to Christ, repent of that sin, and be cleansed. We are born in sin, we inherited that from Adam when he knew sin. That is why the Lord's Prayer is called a daily prayer.
God created our bodies, they are not dead, they are the temple of our spirit while it lives in them. You must not call God's temple wretched. Everything we do while we are in our bodies, when we do it for the Lord, is not meaningless.
We are to renew our minds. We are to walk, and we must take our bodies, the temple where our spirit lives, along on that walk. We are not to live in sin, we are to take that sin to Christ, repent of that sin, and be cleansed. We are born in sin, we inherited that from Adam when he knew sin. That is why the Lord's Prayer is called a daily prayer.
God suggested the box, and I think he suggested the cold water, too, if I remember.
Being you seem so expert on putting values on what we do in worship, here are other things to assign values to: Taking in a homeless person. Honoring a parent. Helping a blind woman across the street. Visiting a person in prison.
Being you seem so expert on putting values on what we do in worship, here are other things to assign values to: Taking in a homeless person. Honoring a parent. Helping a blind woman across the street. Visiting a person in prison.
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Romans 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
I can't convince you of anything more than what I have learned from Paul.
All I can suggest is to just read through Romans and ask the Spirit to teach you.
God bless.
Again, in Romans 14.
Who are you and I to declare to her what is and isn't acceptable to our Father? There is a relationship with all of us, and it's not our job to pass judgement on how another person honors God. I think it's beautiful that she is following what brings her peace and gives her a greater intimacy with our Lord.
I'm not saying this with any contempt towards you crossnote, you have a beautiful understanding of grace. But this lady has shared with us a story of how she has come to bond closer with the Lord and we should be grateful for her testimony, even if it is different to the way that we honor our father.
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
I can't convince you of anything more than what I have learned from Paul.
All I can suggest is to just read through Romans and ask the Spirit to teach you.
God bless.
Again, in Romans 14.
Who are you and I to declare to her what is and isn't acceptable to our Father? There is a relationship with all of us, and it's not our job to pass judgement on how another person honors God. I think it's beautiful that she is following what brings her peace and gives her a greater intimacy with our Lord.
I'm not saying this with any contempt towards you crossnote, you have a beautiful understanding of grace. But this lady has shared with us a story of how she has come to bond closer with the Lord and we should be grateful for her testimony, even if it is different to the way that we honor our father.
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Thanks so much for allowing me to do what God told about in His scripture about putting up a box. I can't see how this is dishonoring God, as people seem to think.
It is true I simply am not understanding all that is said here, or how these scriptures can be made to mean such things. Especially after studying the book of Romans. Paul is difficult, I know, even scripture says so, but not that much.
I can't believe God says that we cannot have the Holy Spirit and God live with us in our bodies. That our bodies are not the temple. That we can do nothing in worship because we are flesh. That all that is said of law in the 139th psalm is not truth. That because we can not make ourselves righteous by the law that the law has no value. That we shouldn't post or say we love the Lord because it would be better to boast that God loves us. Isn't there even a hymn about loving the Lord? Should we never sing that? What if I said we should never say God loves us because it is better to say we love the Lord. Wouldn't make sense. That we should not work for the Lord because it is only Christ that saves us, even if that is not a bit of why we are working. Anything of joy, anything positive is belittled, and the bewildering thing is that it is done with bible truths. I simply cannot understand. I cannot believe that Paul was teaching this in the book of Romans. I love that book.
It is true I simply am not understanding all that is said here, or how these scriptures can be made to mean such things. Especially after studying the book of Romans. Paul is difficult, I know, even scripture says so, but not that much.
I can't believe God says that we cannot have the Holy Spirit and God live with us in our bodies. That our bodies are not the temple. That we can do nothing in worship because we are flesh. That all that is said of law in the 139th psalm is not truth. That because we can not make ourselves righteous by the law that the law has no value. That we shouldn't post or say we love the Lord because it would be better to boast that God loves us. Isn't there even a hymn about loving the Lord? Should we never sing that? What if I said we should never say God loves us because it is better to say we love the Lord. Wouldn't make sense. That we should not work for the Lord because it is only Christ that saves us, even if that is not a bit of why we are working. Anything of joy, anything positive is belittled, and the bewildering thing is that it is done with bible truths. I simply cannot understand. I cannot believe that Paul was teaching this in the book of Romans. I love that book.
Redtent,
This is where you are very clever at twisting another's position to make yours seem ok. We have told you repeatedly that to embrace Christ does not mean to reject the 10 commandments.
Au contraire, to recejve Christ one receives a new nature (have you?) which has desires in accordance with God's nature and will not desire to move in opposition to them. In Christ we are complete, we know that by His Word.
Colossians 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
This is where you are very clever at twisting another's position to make yours seem ok. We have told you repeatedly that to embrace Christ does not mean to reject the 10 commandments.
Au contraire, to recejve Christ one receives a new nature (have you?) which has desires in accordance with God's nature and will not desire to move in opposition to them. In Christ we are complete, we know that by His Word.
Colossians 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Let alone for Christ to not only live in us, yet more importantly through, so their is no room for pride or boasting except in the Lord;
Many imitators, when maybe we only need to be partakers, in the righteousness of God, since God is the only one righteous, yes maybe?
But to be possessed is known as a bad thing? HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess the answer would have to be possessed by free will of self to God to do God's works through us in Love God's way?
Or just do our thing selfishly for self gain
Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Many imitators, when maybe we only need to be partakers, in the righteousness of God, since God is the only one righteous, yes maybe?
But to be possessed is known as a bad thing? HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess the answer would have to be possessed by free will of self to God to do God's works through us in Love God's way?
Or just do our thing selfishly for self gain
Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Matthew 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
and through the death we are made
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
You keep saying you believe the word of God, and am waiting for you to tell us whether you believe that verse to be true through Christ's death are we made Holy unto God? and why would this be if you agree to this being done through Christ to Father?
You post many scriptures that are about the truth. So how does Col. 1:22 fit in?
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
You keep saying you believe the word of God, and am waiting for you to tell us whether you believe that verse to be true through Christ's death are we made Holy unto God? and why would this be if you agree to this being done through Christ to Father?
You post many scriptures that are about the truth. So how does Col. 1:22 fit in?
WOW!!!
oh yes... Lord forgive you for exalting Jesus
RedTent, is Jesus GOD?
or a god, separate from the Father?
created perhaps?
John 20:28
27Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord).
[In the papyri, 2962 (kýrios) likewise denotes an owner (master) exercising full rights.]
2962: κύριος
κύριος, κυρίου, ὁ (properly, an adjective κύριος, κυρία, κύριον, also of two term.; properly equivalent to ὁ ἔχων κῦρος, having power or authority) (from Pindar down), he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has the power of deciding; master, lord; used a. universally, of the possessor and disposer of a thing, the owner (the Sept. for אָדון, בַּעַל): with the genitive of the thing, as τοῦ ἀμπελῶνος, Matthew 20:8; Matthew 21:40; Mark 12:9; Luke 20:15; τοῦ θερισμοῦ, Matthew 9:38; Luke 10:2; τῆς οἰκίας, the master, Mark 13:35 (Judges 19:12); τοῦ πωλου, Luke 19:33; τοῦ σαββάτου, possessed of the power to determine what is suitable to the sabbath, and of releasing himself and others from its obligations, Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5.
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theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.
2316 theós (of unknown origin) – properly, God, the Creator and owner of all things (Jn 1:3; Gen 1 - 3).
[Long before the NT was written, 2316 (theós) referred to the supreme being who owns and sustains all things.]
Strong's Greek: 2316. θεός (theos) — 1327 Occurrences < might want to look and see.
oh yes... Lord forgive you for exalting Jesus
RedTent, is Jesus GOD?
or a god, separate from the Father?
created perhaps?
John 20:28
27Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
kurios: lord, master
Original Word: κύριος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kurios
Phonetic Spelling: (koo'-ree-os)
Short Definition: lord, Lord, master, sir
Definition: lord, master, sir; the Lord.
2962 kýrios – properly, a person exercising absolute ownership rights; lord (Lord).
[In the papyri, 2962 (kýrios) likewise denotes an owner (master) exercising full rights.]
2962: κύριος
κύριος, κυρίου, ὁ (properly, an adjective κύριος, κυρία, κύριον, also of two term.; properly equivalent to ὁ ἔχων κῦρος, having power or authority) (from Pindar down), he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has the power of deciding; master, lord; used a. universally, of the possessor and disposer of a thing, the owner (the Sept. for אָדון, בַּעַל): with the genitive of the thing, as τοῦ ἀμπελῶνος, Matthew 20:8; Matthew 21:40; Mark 12:9; Luke 20:15; τοῦ θερισμοῦ, Matthew 9:38; Luke 10:2; τῆς οἰκίας, the master, Mark 13:35 (Judges 19:12); τοῦ πωλου, Luke 19:33; τοῦ σαββάτου, possessed of the power to determine what is suitable to the sabbath, and of releasing himself and others from its obligations, Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5.
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theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.
2316 theós (of unknown origin) – properly, God, the Creator and owner of all things (Jn 1:3; Gen 1 - 3).
[Long before the NT was written, 2316 (theós) referred to the supreme being who owns and sustains all things.]
Strong's Greek: 2316. θεός (theos) — 1327 Occurrences < might want to look and see.
Purpose, motives, is what we shall al be judged by and all works of the flesh self motive will burn up, where as all God's works through the believer will receive reward. Pretty simple and to me God gets all the credit. For God did it all for us at the cross.
By Christ we are reconciled
Colossians 1:20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Ephesians 2:16 and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
By Christ we are reconciled
Colossians 1:20 and, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Ephesians 2:16 and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
being born again by the resurrected Christ from Father is dead to the old flesh and held alive by the Spirit of God where the old flesh has no more control
We have been transferred from
Philippians 1:20 according to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
2 Timothy 1:10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
We have been transferred from
Philippians 1:20 according to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
2 Timothy 1:10 but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.