Are catholics Christian?

[homwardbound]

You are adding the word hypocritical to scripture, God says judging others. Why pull apart and add to what scripture tells us? We are to be able to judge sin, not others.

is this not to be in ourselves personally judging ourselves and seeking the mercy from God through Christ, and being thus Justified and learning personally to do justly, love the Mercy given through the cross and walk humbly
Yes I think so as revealed in:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Just some food for though precious Sister in Chrsit

 

[homwardbound]

I can see why people are jumping on the judgement bandwagon but I dont think the OP is asking if their going to heaven or hell. I think their asking in more naming conventions. The guy next door might believe in Jesus like myself and call himself a Catholic because he goes to a Catholic church, Cathlolics rarely, in my experience, call themselves Christian like people myself who do not attend a Catholic church call myself Catholic. Get what i'm saying? lol

And how many have you known to call themselves Christian and turned out to be ravenous wolves? So to me either you believe God and respond to God in thankfulness and praises in Go9d's Spirit from your mew Spirit God gave you through belief in the finished work of Christ at the cross or you do not.
That simple, to believe in God or not to believe. It is personal

 

[homwardbound]

They do not believe in salvation by faith which is key to salvation. If they do believe in salvation by faith they are no longer catholic even if they go to a catholic church.

So do you attend an earthly Church gathering too? Where do you think God wants you to attend? And do not all others have this same free choice to attend where they believe to attend or not?

 

[homwardbound]

Isn't that the truth! God bless you!

Love you Charlie, go and worship God in Spirit, wherever you go for gathering as I know you already do.

Yep either you do believe God at God's word or you don't?
So what do we believe about this what it states Christ did
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

I know how thankful to God I am. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to this amazing feat.
This is what I see we have a free choice in responding to this.
We can appreciate this and be thankful continuously and not have time for sinful behavior being too busy in thanking and praising God.
Or we can ignore or take advantage of. If we ignore and or take this grace given for granted how shall we escape.
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
[h=3]Hebrews 10:27-29[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]27 [/SUP]but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [SUP]29 [/SUP]of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

[homwardbound]

Catholicism is an organization of Pagans insisting on going to church and acting like Christians.

in the day of Constantine, he got all the pagan priests together, and planned this to bring in the people, Because they were not going to Church.
Not until the Pagan priests claimed belief in Christ. And to them they saw that it did not matter to them whether they believed or not. Just say they do and the people came in to worship.
Saying I believe, does not make me a believer anymore that sitting in a pew, or being behind the pulpit make me one.
Now truth is God does love us all and desires us all to come unto him in all truth and humility. So God has put up with flesh nature for centuries, showing Mercy from day one with Adam and Eve.
Hopefully we all will just desire to know God personally with out any malice in mind

"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

 

[homwardbound]

yes roman catholics can be saved christians...though i believe that denomination teaches a lot of error...

All earth Churches teach error(s). So it is up to each person to know God personally. For God has come through Christ to give us this personal relationship, that we get down with first. So that the board in our own eye is taken out of the way and we can see to trust God to work God's work of God's love through us. once we see our old man as dead with Christ at Christ's death.

 

[homwardbound]

To ascertain whether a catholic is a Christian or anyone from any other faith for the matter; we would first need to define what a Christian is. Have fun with that ?

Man tags names on things all the time
To either one or another that claims to be a Christian, a Catholic, a protestant, Pentecostal, or any religious group. is either a professor or a possessor, and God knows who are his and who are not.
And this is amazing to me, even though the enemy, Evil tries to de-rail, kill, steal and destroy for its own gain, God is I guarantee is still in control through it all. And does turn all tragedies into Good, while as we see these terrible things as bad, when it reality they are not.
So please all be careful unto how we think and ask God for the renewing of our minds, seeing all things from God's vantage point rather than this world's or self.

Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[homwardbound]

The God of Old Testament
Exo 32:4 And hereceived them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he hadmade it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, whichbrought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

The God of Israel indeed brought them up out of the land ofEgypt, but making a molten calf and making it their gods as thee one who brought them up out of the land of Egypt is a mistake and have corrupted themselves. And God punished them.

The God of New testament
Act 17:16 Now whilePaul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw thecity wholly given to idolatry.

Act 17:23 For as Ipassed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription,TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I untoyou.
Act 17:24 God thatmade the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven andearth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither isworshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth toall life, and breath, and all things;

Act 17:29 Forasmuchthen as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead islike unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And thetimes of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Act 19:26 Moreover yesee and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:


Knowing that they worship false gods will bring them to repentance, but how would they repent if they consider those made with hands “gods”to whom they give reverence.

Lesson from the Old testament, we may all worship the Godwho made the heaven and Earth, But is he also the God of Israel (the God ofAbraham, Isaac and Jacob) who commanded not to made graven images, not to BOWdown to them nor SERVE THEM.
We may all know Jesus Christ, but is His Father the same God preached by Paul in Athens, in Ephesus and throughout all Asia, that is not made with hands.

In truth, The God Paul knew maybe is not the same god (catholics,hindus, budhist, muslims) know, likewise that the Jesus Paul knew is not the same Jesus they know.

because all those religions worhips things that are madewith hands, (the black stone in mecca (muslims), budha (budhist), cows and manymore for (hindus), catholics (madonna, and many more))
Catholics are not Christian, but a catholic can be a Christianand the first step is REPENT. (for worshipping false gods)

It also means getting out of Catholicism, as Moses said in Exo 32:26 Then Moses stood inthe gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD'S side? let him come untome. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.

Are you on the LORD’S side?

So where do you worship, so we can find fault there as well. I personally know where the true Tabernacle is do you? Not saying I am better than anyone else, because I am not. There is only one good and that is God period.
Now tell me is God's Kingdom of this earth?

 

[homwardbound]

you might aswell ask what is the gospel?

G od's
O nly
S on's
P urpose
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L ife

 

[homwardbound]

Catholics worship christ, so they are christian.

You cant just throw all catolics in the same pot.
Here in Southamerica is %90 catholic.
but there is still this feeling of idolitry, and many catholics here are still very supersticious about the "incan junk"
for instance, my buddy sets up these statues of incan entities and he is catholic, and i asked him why he sets them up, and he says its "good luck". Im kind of sad about this.
Im afraid if I take the statues down he will think im trying to curse him or something.
lots of supersticion here.

as a man believes so is he

 

[homwardbound]

I want to praise God for allowing ANY of us the joy of a relationship with Him for ever and ever as long as we call upon His name, repent, and accept His gift of grace. Who or what we were doesn't matter, just as it didn't to Paul. Remember, he said he called his life and everything he did prior to meeting Christ just "rubbish" (or dung, as he said). So I"m thinkin' if we're worried about which denomination someone is then we're worried about the wrong thing. Jesus is coming back for His bride, not His bride"s". Thank you, Father!

Either we are a professor lost as a goose in a funny looking suit or we are possessors of the living risen Christ trusting God to do God's work through us in Love from God to all who will believe God

 

[homwardbound]

I really couldn't care less for all these attacks and accusations and rubbishing of the Catholic Church. I keep hearing that "if Catholics knew the truth about that RCC then they wouldn't be a part of it". Well I'm telling ya that none of you know the full truth about the RCC. And like I've said before, it never ceases to amaze me how EVERYBODY attacks the Catholic Church. From muslims, to athiests, along with our brother and sister Protestants. Think about it. You all hold the same common denominator as Islam and Athiesm, not to mention Satanism, in the way that you all attack the Catholic Church so much. You spend so much time and energy doing it. And don't give me that rubbish that you're telling us for our sake. 90% of the time you guys and girls are talking spitefully and trying to get a reaction out of us, or starting threads like this one lol. Our faith, like your's, IS based on Christ. It starts and ends with Christ as our Lord and Redeemer. If you think otherwise, THEN YOUR PREACHERS HAVE MISLED YOU AGAIN FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HATING CATHOLICS AND THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!! Wake up! lol I will always love you and pour water on you if i see you on fire in the street. God bless!

receive the Love of God. God's way. Which 7seven7, you show this type of Love as no original flesh born here on earth can ever show. Only God can impute the type of Love that I see that comes out from you, as you fight the Old man, in learning from God that that is dead by the death of Christ, and that you are alive in the Spirit of God through the Christ
Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to you, remain trusting in God as in Matt.
[h=3]Matthew 10:16-20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. [SUP]19[/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


[h=3]1 Corinthians 13:4-13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

 

[homwardbound]

Then how was the canon established then?

Council of Trent in 1512. Where the Catholic Church did not accept to take out of the Bible certain writings that were in it at that time. Separation came to be, and there is a roman Catholic Bible that has old writings in it that the council of Trent did not accept in recognition as a lie.

 

[watcher2013]

So where do you worship, so we can find fault there as well. I personally know where the true Tabernacle is do you? Not saying I am better than anyone else, because I am not. There is only one good and that is God period.
Now tell me is God's Kingdom of this earth?

You do not need to look too far if you want to find fault, look at revelation "letter to the churches"
you are beginning to sound like pilate, but anyway i think Jesus answer pilate and that is my answer (kingdom), but if you are asking about eternal kingdom, that is after the kingdom of this world. (rev 11)
But if you are a catholic who still give reverence to the things made with hands you are far from that kingdom, but if you REPENT the kingdom of God is near.

 

[royalscot]

Some Catholics are Christian, some aren't. Same goes for all Christian denominations or non-denominations.

this is wrong, all catholic are christain ,after 11-12 years old. and study there church methods,(the way, they do things, in the church.) not the church history.
now we are back to the osas debate.

 

[kenisyes]

Then how was the canon established then?

The OT Canon was established by the Jews ca. 195 AD. The NT canon was established by agreement among most Christian churches by 250, except for disagreement on Revelation, which was solved by 300 or so. The Catholics are the result of the church of Rome being granted effective leadership of the churches aided by laws and policies passed by the Imperial Government, and happened in various steps between 313 and 400. The Catholics accepted the OT canon of the Jews, and then added the Apocrypha, which the Jews did not accept.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who has accepted Yeshua (Jesus Christ) as his personal Savior, and understands the Word will readily be able to discern if a given theology which claims to be Christian is authentic or a sham.

Any religion may claim the conveience of the umbrella title of Christian, so one may not say any of the theologies are not Christian in that regard.

Anyone who believes Yeshua, hears Him when the Word is taught. Do not be muddled by a lot of endless claims by people who are investigating what God does, or is able to do. They have not learned by the Holy Spirit. These people will even teach against the works of the Holy Spirit through the Children of Yahweh, God. These are snake oil salesmen with no understanding that the power of Yahweh is limitless. They are to be avoided as false brethren, shunned.

If we believe Yahweh, God, we are taught by Him. Do not take my word for anything, read the Word, believe it, and worship Yeshua, Jesus, amen. You will never go astray if you do this. The faith of Abraham is for all.

 

[Shyness]

According To Cannon Law, All Who Are Baptized In The Catholic Church Are Considered Catholic For Life In The Eyes Of The Vatican. The People Who Are Christians Are Those Who Believe aAnd Follow The Law In The Bible Whether Catholic Or Not. Those Who Believe In Jesus And Follow His Commandments Are The Ones Who Are Christian. Church Affiliation Does Not Mean That They Are Or They Not Christian And To Judge A Person Or A Class Of People Is Ludicrous.

 

[Shinji]

Council of Trent in 1512. Where the Catholic Church did not accept to take out of the Bible certain writings that were in it at that time.

So there was no canon of the bible/canonical bible in existence until 1512???? What exactly was the bible you mention that had to exist before 1512 in order for Catholics to "not accept to take out of"?

 

[notuptome]

By their fruit ye shall know them.

If any come and preach another gospel than the one ye have heard, let him be accursed of God.

Protestant, catholic, islam or Jew makes no difference all must be reconciled to God through the blood of Christ or they will remain condemned.

For the cause of Christ
Roger