Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?
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I will respond quickly, This is a great discussions and very much needed for today's apostate church.The church has become so anti God's laws that we have lost our Christian heritage, and we have lost our godly culture, in this great country "under God" ,USA, to the Devil and His crowd. This has happened before and God had restore us ; but , I am afraid, the Church has gone so far, I don't think,God is going to sent a new "awakening" this time. The "end time" is so fast coming, we may never see our culture restored again, because the Church is so "faith only" for salvation.. The "cults" are doing a better job,than the Church, to restore godliness to the USA. I am presently in court with a charge against me, of slandering a persons character because I called him a "lying bastard", I could have gotten away with this as ,part of our Christian culture, a few yrs. ago in the USA, but the Philippines has different laws,even in USA , with new hate laws, we , Christians, are not going to be able to call a sinner ,a sinner, soon, and we will not be able to call them to repent of their wicked dastardly lives, because We, as Christians,(christians) are not what we are called by God to be. a light to this wicked world, and call sinners to the God of mercy and flee the Hell we deserve. we are a disgrace to our Holy God. I am afraid, God is about to Judgment the Church very severely, world wide. We are losing our freedom of speech because we have not used it to produce a godly society as we had 60 yrs ago, As the Church goes ,so goes society. We have produces so many "carnal christians" , who have no morals, that God is judging the Church. The answer to your question is, Yes! As they were done in the O.T. ; NO, if they,and WE, do them as sign posts to point to Christ, the fulfiller and destroyer of the O.T. Covenant of Moses. The Moral laws are reinforced by Christ, all the rest are destroyed. So, for the Church, all must exult Christ, and personally ,we must exult Christ. I love to go to a Christian :Sader", it exults Christ. God destroyed the Temple to end the O.T. way of worship. But ,for the unsaved Jews it is still their only way of worship, So we can not hinder or condemn them, for wanting their Temple again and doing what God commanded them to do. Jesus will convert His Jewish nation at His second coming, we can not, but none of my money will go to them to build their old ways again, or their new temple... What is God doing? Just read your news paper, this is what God is doing, all the good and all the evil! Love to God first and Love to all. Hoffco
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To Christian Chat , Please allow me to write my counterclaim To the charges made against me, a very evil person here in Davao City, on your private blog. My computer is not working properly. and I need to take this to a net cafe to have printed in my defense.
To the office of the Lupon Tagapamayapa ,Panacan, This is my counterclaim to the charge made against me by: Alexander A. Luma 110 Pluto Street GSIS Subd. Matina, Davao City
To Arnolfo L. Apostol,
The Complainant, Alex, has Bastardized me in a very evil, offensive way, I chose my words very carefully and biblically, as a godly leader in Christ's Church, He knows exactly who I am, as I had witnessed my faith to him for several hours ,the day , before this incident happened; When he treated me as a dumb animal, as an idiot, He debased me to a common street begger ,as a low life idiot, when He tried to sell me junk roofing as material I need to finish my home and church building here in panacan. He told me he was a sub-contractor out of work, (thus needing money, which I expected he would ask for, but he did not): So, I shared with him my need. Having spent all my savings for our work with the poor of Golden Hills Village, and not being able to buy new roofing, I asked him, if he had some "good old solid metal roofing" I could pay him a small amount for it. It would be a "God sent" blessing to me. He told me ,he had a lot, over 70 sheets. He would get back to me. He texted me that it would cost me 56 pesos a kilo, I texted back, that is way to high, and I will not trust that deal. NO thanks. Now I began to see his evil motive. He texted me back,later ,"I have many sheets of good roofing at 26 pesos a kilo. I said, sorry, I will only pay per sheet, not by weight. the next day he comes back to "G mall", where I witness the Gospel to people, and tells me again, I said, sorry, I don't like the sound of this deal. Please forget it. He ,badgers (annoys) me more. My wife came, and he starts to complain,"I spent all day yesterday looking for roofing and your husband won't make a deal." I had never asked him to "search" for roofing. It was lunch time and we took him to lunch with us. we all talked more, he is a likeable person, I agreed to go and see the roofing. He took me to a junk yard, to sell me old "junK" rusted, bent up, roofing. My wife was so mad, she said, "do you think my husband would pay you for this junk"? I was so disappointed and mad, I said to him, "You are a "lying bastard", this is junk" and we got a taxi, and left him standing there. He texted
me, after a couple days with this story. I have a man ,who heard what you said and I am going to report you. I texted him back and told him , he was free to do as he wished, and my God will do what He wishes with him. So here we are, in the will of God almighty, trying to do what is right. The truth is, Alex, has lied in his charge against me. I did not call him an s.o.b. And it is plain in his words that he is expecting to get money from me. And he has plans to pursue this to the max. But he will consider retreating his pursuit for the right remuneration. I am willing to settle with Alex for 5 or 10,000 pesos, but no more, I can not afford it and still do my work for God here in panacan, it will shut our work down, into bankruptcy. At the least, I will plan to return to the states to get a job to support my wife to continue the work of God, until I can partition her to the states for a new work for God's glory. I have face death twice here and many insults, to my nationality and my faith. Regretfully Ptr. Douglas Roberts
To the office of the Lupon Tagapamayapa ,Panacan, This is my counterclaim to the charge made against me by: Alexander A. Luma 110 Pluto Street GSIS Subd. Matina, Davao City
To Arnolfo L. Apostol,
The Complainant, Alex, has Bastardized me in a very evil, offensive way, I chose my words very carefully and biblically, as a godly leader in Christ's Church, He knows exactly who I am, as I had witnessed my faith to him for several hours ,the day , before this incident happened; When he treated me as a dumb animal, as an idiot, He debased me to a common street begger ,as a low life idiot, when He tried to sell me junk roofing as material I need to finish my home and church building here in panacan. He told me he was a sub-contractor out of work, (thus needing money, which I expected he would ask for, but he did not): So, I shared with him my need. Having spent all my savings for our work with the poor of Golden Hills Village, and not being able to buy new roofing, I asked him, if he had some "good old solid metal roofing" I could pay him a small amount for it. It would be a "God sent" blessing to me. He told me ,he had a lot, over 70 sheets. He would get back to me. He texted me that it would cost me 56 pesos a kilo, I texted back, that is way to high, and I will not trust that deal. NO thanks. Now I began to see his evil motive. He texted me back,later ,"I have many sheets of good roofing at 26 pesos a kilo. I said, sorry, I will only pay per sheet, not by weight. the next day he comes back to "G mall", where I witness the Gospel to people, and tells me again, I said, sorry, I don't like the sound of this deal. Please forget it. He ,badgers (annoys) me more. My wife came, and he starts to complain,"I spent all day yesterday looking for roofing and your husband won't make a deal." I had never asked him to "search" for roofing. It was lunch time and we took him to lunch with us. we all talked more, he is a likeable person, I agreed to go and see the roofing. He took me to a junk yard, to sell me old "junK" rusted, bent up, roofing. My wife was so mad, she said, "do you think my husband would pay you for this junk"? I was so disappointed and mad, I said to him, "You are a "lying bastard", this is junk" and we got a taxi, and left him standing there. He texted
me, after a couple days with this story. I have a man ,who heard what you said and I am going to report you. I texted him back and told him , he was free to do as he wished, and my God will do what He wishes with him. So here we are, in the will of God almighty, trying to do what is right. The truth is, Alex, has lied in his charge against me. I did not call him an s.o.b. And it is plain in his words that he is expecting to get money from me. And he has plans to pursue this to the max. But he will consider retreating his pursuit for the right remuneration. I am willing to settle with Alex for 5 or 10,000 pesos, but no more, I can not afford it and still do my work for God here in panacan, it will shut our work down, into bankruptcy. At the least, I will plan to return to the states to get a job to support my wife to continue the work of God, until I can partition her to the states for a new work for God's glory. I have face death twice here and many insults, to my nationality and my faith. Regretfully Ptr. Douglas Roberts
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Sorry , miss spell, "so" not yo. OK. i am human, OK , I know, I make some really bad blunders. (as You can See) But hi to homwardbound, is the Spirit "truth and flesh"? Maybe ,you need a "," after "truth", a "." would be better. LOL AND, "and by Christ's death all are dead" LOL And the worst blunder you make is: " through the resurrection of Christ this is a done deal." This is a serious heresy, the death and and resurrection of Jesus did not make our salvation a "done deal" for anyone.. Jesus death only provided salvation for all who would Repent, Trust and Obey Jesus as Lord and Savior to be saved. It is the eternal covenant of God's grace that made sal. a done deal. The payment is a "done deal" but the salvation must follow the payment. The payment (in the death of Jesus) is for "all", generally speaking , But only for God's "elect"(the many) effectually or particularly speaking. As you will recall, "the many are called, but only a few are chosen." This is no laughing mater. God's glory is at stake. Please rethink you theology. Love to all Hoffco.
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Please be reminded that Jesus has given us two reminders for us to observe as Christians, 1. water baptism 2. Communion : these are the only out ward acts, or rituals, we are commanded to do as a Church. If our church wants to do the Christian vision of the Jewish passover, the Sader, we can do so if we as a group want to , but never acc. to moses, but acc. to Jesus , showing how Jesus fulfilled the Passover and did away with it. Water bap. is the sign of the new Covenant.
but if I want to circumcise my male child ,it is my business, no concern to anyone else. Love to all, Hoffco
but if I want to circumcise my male child ,it is my business, no concern to anyone else. Love to all, Hoffco
No need you misunderstand the truth of being alive in God, hidden in God's Spirit by the resurrected Christ where no sin occurs.
You keep working out your own salvation by works of self using Law and you will continue in flesh to sin that reaps corruption.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
One can only sow to Spirit of God to be free from death. Anything of flesh effort to stop either creates a boast of I stopped or an ongoing guilt of sin that won't stop while trying to stop it in the energy of our own flesh.
No man could ever be perfect, except through belief in God.
Started with Noah as Noah believed God and this was counted to him from God as righteous. Abraham the same and many others as shown in Hebrews 11.
I know the transformation that has taken place after "I" came to a stop and said God "I" can't, and God said thank you for I (God) can and has been ever since. It is amazing God getting all the credit. me just hidden in God by the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ
Praying for you Hoffco, to see past the picket line of flesh and God's born again Spirit for you
You keep working out your own salvation by works of self using Law and you will continue in flesh to sin that reaps corruption.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
One can only sow to Spirit of God to be free from death. Anything of flesh effort to stop either creates a boast of I stopped or an ongoing guilt of sin that won't stop while trying to stop it in the energy of our own flesh.
No man could ever be perfect, except through belief in God.
Started with Noah as Noah believed God and this was counted to him from God as righteous. Abraham the same and many others as shown in Hebrews 11.
I know the transformation that has taken place after "I" came to a stop and said God "I" can't, and God said thank you for I (God) can and has been ever since. It is amazing God getting all the credit. me just hidden in God by the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ
Praying for you Hoffco, to see past the picket line of flesh and God's born again Spirit for you
The subject here is not clean and unclean meats, it is ceremonial washings...
Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
The parallel account in Mark 7 is more detailed...
Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These ceremonial washings before eating are nto found in scripture, they were the traditions of the Pahrisees.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Christ was rebuking them for laying aside the Commandments of God, which include clean and unclean.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
They were not teaching the Commandments of God but rather the commandments of men (their own commandments).
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
So, if you eat something with unwashed hands, it doesn't spiritually defile you, it is what comes out of your heart that does.
The subject here is not clean and unclean meats and is not even related to it.
Mat 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
The parallel account in Mark 7 is more detailed...
Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
These ceremonial washings before eating are nto found in scripture, they were the traditions of the Pahrisees.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Christ was rebuking them for laying aside the Commandments of God, which include clean and unclean.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
They were not teaching the Commandments of God but rather the commandments of men (their own commandments).
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
So, if you eat something with unwashed hands, it doesn't spiritually defile you, it is what comes out of your heart that does.
The subject here is not clean and unclean meats and is not even related to it.
This is NOT what Col 2:14 is about, Dr. Robert Thiel does an excellent job on this...
What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?
It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).
Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?
Furthermore, let's look at another translation:
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
What Does Colossians 2:14 Really Say?
It is of interest to note that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" is a Greek legal term that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--through Jesus the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"), not the law! "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them" (Heb 10:16).
Even Protestant commentators realize this. Notice what Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible states about Colossians 2:14:
Whatever was in force against us is taken out of the way. He has obtained for us a legal discharge from the hand-writing of ordinances, which was against us (v. 14), which may be understood,
1. Of that obligation to punishment in which consists the guilt of sin. The curse of the law is the hand-writing against us, like the hand-writing on Belshazzar's wall. Cursed is every one who continues not in every thing. This was a hand-writing which was against us, and contrary to us; for it threatened our eternal ruin. This was removed when he redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us, Gal 3:13. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.).
Some will argue that you still cannot keep the ten commandments (for "all have sinned"), even if they are all mentioned as being in effect after the crucifixion. Does this mean one should not try?
Furthermore, let's look at another translation:
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colossians 2:14, NASB)
The handwriting of requirements (often also called the hand-writing of ordinances) or certificate of debt was wiped away and nailed to the cross.
Which requirements were wiped out?
Please understand that the expression "the handwriting of requirements" (cheirógrafon toís dógmasin) is a Greek legal expression that signifies the penalty which a lawbreaker had to pay--it does not signify the laws that are to be obeyed--only the penalty. It is only through the acceptance of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ that the penalty was wiped out ("the handwriting of requirements"). But only the penalty, not the law!
Hmmm, some of us have and are then roundly criticized...
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
This is a N.T. teaching...
Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Eph 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
Eph 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
Eph 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
Eph 6:7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:
Eph 6:8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
I keep hearing a lot about the Spirit of the Law, well there is some teaching on the Spirit of the fifth Commandment. It not only applies to the letter of not cursing your parents, but is extrapolated here by Paul to mean servants, employees and even our Father in heaven.
And Peter never did run down the steps and order surf and turf with a shrimp appetizer, now did he?
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Why not? After 3-1/2 years of close contact with Christ, Himself, why didn't Peter know enough to eat an unclean diet?
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
The vision was not about clean and unclean meats...
Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
God was showing Peter in a graphic way that When a Gentile repents, he is cleansed by God and Spiritually clean. The vision was not about clean and unclean meats, God has granted the Gentiles repentance to life.
Paul still asserts the clean and unclean meats are still are to be determined...
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
What meats are set apart by the Word of God?
Lev 11 and Deut 14.
This is not about some ceremonial law, the Designer and Creator of the human body knows what to put in it and what not to put in it.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Why not? After 3-1/2 years of close contact with Christ, Himself, why didn't Peter know enough to eat an unclean diet?
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
The vision was not about clean and unclean meats...
Act 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
Act 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
Act 11:3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
God was showing Peter in a graphic way that When a Gentile repents, he is cleansed by God and Spiritually clean. The vision was not about clean and unclean meats, God has granted the Gentiles repentance to life.
Paul still asserts the clean and unclean meats are still are to be determined...
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
What meats are set apart by the Word of God?
Lev 11 and Deut 14.
This is not about some ceremonial law, the Designer and Creator of the human body knows what to put in it and what not to put in it.
Thank you, you posted my point exactly, and the Laws that are written in our hearts are the Laws of God's type of Love best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
Yes allegories all over the place, giving physical analogies to being home Spiritual realities of God's Love to all. And to each their own on free choice, you have yours as I see it go from one end of the spectrum to the other, I have said all that needed to be said and one last time no matter what, God just love us all. for this is what God did for us all and either we believe God or we do not
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Yes allegories all over the place, giving physical analogies to being home Spiritual realities of God's Love to all. And to each their own on free choice, you have yours as I see it go from one end of the spectrum to the other, I have said all that needed to be said and one last time no matter what, God just love us all. for this is what God did for us all and either we believe God or we do not
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
If we live as Jesus taught and showed us, we live with love of both of God and man leading us, and we follow God's suggestions about feasts and Sabbath like Christ did as we live our life of love. Having fun together in our celebrations are part of it. All the life we lead is part of our life with God, nothing separate, even the food we choose to eat.
Always, in everything we do, we are aware that the spirit of love is the leader, it is why and how we do everything.
Always, in everything we do, we are aware that the spirit of love is the leader, it is why and how we do everything.
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Interesting thread, but I want to know exactly what you mean by rituals. Some might be thinking you're talking about modern Jewish practices, Levitical practices, just simple celebrations and feasts, or even Torah observant [which the Lord kept because He was a Jew who kept the law which also proved His perfection in the flesh through His divinity)