Difference between God and Jesus

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Why would that be silas?
Well it seems to me ya all accept God is fully in three persons, Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father. The diffence appears to be whether you class them as three or one. If you seriously believe Phil in such a difference hinges a persons salvation you truly are lost in an academic world, not a spiritual one
 
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Well it seems to me ya all accept God is fully in three persons, Christ, the Holy Spirit and the Father. The diffence appears to be whether you class them as three or one. If you seriously believe Phil in such a difference hinges a persons salvation you truly are lost in an academic world, not a spiritual one
Of course believing it is important, if you don't believe the trinity, how will the Word of God make sense?
 
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When a person dies in sin, they go to a place apart (separated) from God. Surely, it is know that Jesus went to Hades along with all the other righteous dead of the Law? So, do you mean to ask: when a righteous person dies now or when a wicked person dies now?
No, I asking if when a person dies if they cease to exist? And the answer to that is, no. A person is more than just a body.
 
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maybe i'm slow, but Josh isn't denying that Jesus is God so I'm not sure what the problem is....

silas, on the otherhand, I have no clue what he believes.
 
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Of course, if you don't believe the trinity, how will the Word of God make sense?
The word of God/spiritual truth is understood by the Holy Spirit dwelling in the Christian, it is not reasoned to understanding by the natural min d of man
 

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It's most defiantly a spiritual issue.

It is a easy as believing in Jesus. but then again who is Jesus that I should believe him? What does scripture say, what did God say about himself silas? but I am sure that does not matter..

Can we say what we want about Jesus, as in who he is? what have Christians always held about Jesus? its certainly not what you are inting at, I say hint at because it seems you do not want to say what you think?
 
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maybe i'm slow, but Josh isn't denying that Jesus is God so I'm not sure what the problem is....

silas, on the otherhand, I have no clue what he believes.
He is saying the Holy Ghost is Jesus and the Father, so there is only two in the Godhead, then he says Jesus has a beginning and God has no beginning, but then states Jesus as God. Now He is slowly falling into believing the trinity, since he is using the term administrations, he is getting closer, not there yet. And for the rest of the wrong teachings....trying to clear the mess he keeps changing....confusing the argument lol
 
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It's most defiantly a spiritual issue.

It is a easy as believing in Jesus. but then again who is Jesus that I should believe him? What does scripture say, what did God say about himself silas? but I am sure that does not matter..
You are lost Phil in your own intellectual/academic reasoning of the natural mind, absolutely lost
Thank goodness the ordained Trinitarian ministers don't preach from the pulpit what you do on the internet
 
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@ bryan gonna try the best i can in a simple way also, now we know that God is the Father of Jesus correct? now lets look at this verse and read it carefully 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. [h=3]Matthew 1:18[/h]
now who is the Father of Jesus God correct? now if this verse says the She was found with child of the Holy Ghost, what does that tell you? if God is the Holy Ghost then how can they be 3 seperate beings? it's One god in different administrations..
 
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hmmm new vocabulary term: modalism.....


Modalism|What is Modalism? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

[h=1]Modalism[/h]
by Matt Slick
Modalism is probably the most common theological error concerning the nature of God. It is a denial of the Trinity. Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes, or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son and after Jesus' ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. In other words, this view states that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit never all exist at the same time, only one after another. Modalism denies the distinctiveness of the three persons in the Trinity even though it retains the divinity of Christ.


Present day groups that hold to forms of this error are the United Pentecostal and United Apostolic Churches. They deny the Trinity, teach that the name of God is Jesus, and require baptism for salvation. These modalist churches often accuse Trinitarians of teaching three gods. This is not what the Trinity is. The correct teaching of the Trinity is one God in three eternal coexistent persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
from what i've read so far (only 4 or five of the 11 pages) I don't believe that Josh believes in Modalism. He believes they can exist at the same time. at least some of his statements leads me to believe he does.
 

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You are lost Phil in your own intellectual/academic of the natural mind and reasoning , absolutely lost
Thank goodness the ordained Trinitarian ministers don't preach from the pulpit what you do on the internet

Hi Silas,

Again you hint at what you believe but are very very clever in hiding behind your argument.. every minister or pastor who believes in scripture will teach that God is triune and not to believe that is heresy.

Do you believe in the triune God?
 

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hmmm new vocabulary term: modalism.....




from what i've read so far (only 4 or five of the 11 pages) I don't believe that Josh believes in Modalism. He believes they can exist at the same time. at least some of his statements leads me to believe he does.

Hi Ariel,

Read all his posts
 
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hmmm new vocabulary term: modalism.....

from what i've read so far (only 4 or five of the 11 pages) I don't believe that Josh believes in Modalism. He believes they can exist at the same time. at least some of his statements leads me to believe he does.
This is a very good point. Trinitarians like to paint with a broad brush to encompass ideas that were not originally a part of modalism.
 
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@ bryan gonna try the best i can in a simple way also, now we know that God is the Father of Jesus correct? now lets look at this verse and read it carefully 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 1:18


now who is the Father of Jesus God correct? now if this verse says the She was found with child of the Holy Ghost, what does that tell you? if God is the Holy Ghost then how can they be 3 seperate beings? it's One god in different administrations..
Friend I'm meeting you at the half point of understanding you, it's your turn to meet me half way. Your right the Holy Ghost through Mary conceived Jesus. But you got to remember that happened by God's word. His direct order. What is the Word? Jesus...so are where we are talking about is Jesus as the Word being flesh. The Word is separate from the Spirit, but they originate from God. God is all three of them. God operates through three persons. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
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Hi Silas,

Again you hint at what you believe but are very very clever in hiding behind your argument.. every minister or pastor who believes in scripture will teach that God is triune and not to believe that is heresy.

Do you believe in the triune God?
Oh I'm not trying to be clever, I've been debating here only one thing, who a person must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life

Scripture demands the Son of God, no more
Every Trinitarian church I've ever been to, the minister demands the Son of God, no more, the ministers do not preach what you state on here, a fact you can only ignore

Huge swathes of people who go to Trinitarian churches simply and solely believbe Christ is the Son of God, not God Himself, for the ministers don't tell them otherwise, if you cannot bring yourself to recognise and accept this fact, you are I am afraid simply deluding yourself. It is my hope that some, upon quieter reflection may realise what I have written is the truth, you however have to ignore the truth, to accept it would be something you could not cope with
 

phil36

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This is a very good point. Trinitarians like to paint with a broad brush to encompass ideas that were not originally a part of modalism.
Usually because modalists actually don't know what it is they believe themselves.
 
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Here's a simple and useful exercise. Arrange the following terms according to their greatness: son, spirit, father.

Or do you think that they are all equal in greatness?
 
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No, I asking if when a person dies if they cease to exist? And the answer to that is, no. A person is more than just a body.
You are giving some great answers here. However, an endorsement from me may not stand you in good stead with some others-sorry
 

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Here's a simple and useful exercise. Arrange the following terms according to their greatness: son, spirit, father.

Or do you think that they are all equal in greatness?
Co equally God, co equally eternal, yet have different functions :)