Difference between God and Jesus

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And what do you mean "one of my number"? Are we on opposing battlefields?
Well I'm not on a battlefield, but so far in this debate I have been called a heretic and informed that a person with my belief cannot be a Christian. But battlefield is your word, not mine
 
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Well I'm not on a battlefield, but so far in this debate I have been called a heretic and informed that a person with my belief cannot be a Christian. But battlefield is your word, not mine
neither my word....but if you say, "one of my number", then it cannot be but thought we are on opposing sides. Is that true?
 
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I know you are upset Cfultz, but try not to go to silly lengths of petulance to show it
I am not upset, But, you did say "they". Who are "they"?
 
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neither my word....but if you say, "one of my number", then it cannot be but thought we are on opposing sides. Is that true?
For myself I happily accept you as a Christian-but do you me?
 
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Oh but we do accept him as a brother, a young brother. Why do you place doubt in his head?
there is no young, old, greek, jew, woman, man anything it's one spirit, and the same spirit it doesn't contradict itself one body of christ many parts but one spirit every child of God under that one spirit there is not doubt
 
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For myself I happily accept you as a Christian-but do you me?
You do not know me and my walk and neither do I know you and your walk. All I can testify is that I am a follower of Christ, the God who died for me.
 
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there is no young, old, greek, jew, woman, man anything it's one spirit, and the same spirit it doesn't contradict itself one body of christ many parts but one spirit every child of God under that one spirit there is not doubt
If I were to say, "babe on milk", does it not mean the same? Are you not young in the faith? But, if you find offense on this, then my apologies to you, Josh. But, we never come to a full knowledge until Jesus returns. How long have you been on faith's journey?
 
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No one is a Christian unless they are born again with God in them and if anyone is born again with God in them the truth dwells in them and the fruits of the Spirit and whoever is born of God can recognize someone else who is born again because they recognize the spirit in them, it's one truth and one spirit, ever wonder why they have so man denominations when there is only one truth? that should tell you something, everyone who is born again should come to terms what is the truth and they will know it is the truth because the spirit of truth is it them, as for the subject, God bless you all but lets just agree to disagree
 
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Consensus is that it is the Word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit. That is good enough for me. You?
Do some research. Most scholars agree that that verse was added. In other words, not what John wrote.
 
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If I were to say, "babe on milk", does it not mean the same? Are you not young in the faith? But, if you find offense on this, then my apologies to you, Josh. But, we never come to a full knowledge until Jesus returns. How long have you been on faith's journey?
That's a low blow, and completely off the mark. Go read the parable of the wineskins....
 
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That's a low blow, and completely off the mark. Go read the parable of the wineskins....
Whineskins refer to practices that are brought into the Christian living that aren't Christian
 
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Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in (on) my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in (on) his throne.

Heb 1:3, 8:1, 10:12, 12:2, Mar 16:19, Eph 1:20......is set down at the right hand of God's throne.

He sets upon His throne of glory (Mat 19:28, 25:31) and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (Joh 1:14)

...water of life...proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb. (Rev 22:1)(definite article + kia + definite article = two distinct clauses. (Mat 2:14, Joseph took the child, Joseph took the child's mother. Mat 4:8, Satan showed Jesus the kingdoms of this world, Satan showed Jesus their glory. Many other examples. Rev 22:1 John was shown the throne of God, John was shown the throne of the Lamb))

The story of the Pharaoh and Joseph explains well the two thrones. Pharaoh kept his throne, but gave Joseph his own throne.
You're reading into the text. Jesus sat in his father's throne - one throne.

GOD's right hand is his throne.
 

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The Word (Logos) was an "expression" of God Himself.

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

If God did not create humans He would have no need to come in the flesh and shed His own blood. He would not need to express His image to someone who never existed. So therefore He would just be God without an image. The Bible teaches us that there is One Spirit of God. God is One and no one can divide Him. However, humans needed the blood sacrifice of Jesus whom is the image of God and God in the flesh, to shed His blood and die for us.

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The Father is the Holy Ghost -

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

The Father, which is the Holy Ghost - the One Spirit caused the birth of the Man Jesus whom was God in the flesh and the Father, in which dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was? God was. . . Including, being received up into glory.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

He is: God, and our Savior.

You would say that "God" and the "Father" is two separate persons would you?

Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

But when God became our savior one might say He is a different person.

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

God is One Spirit and we know Him Who became a man for the purpose of our salvation. If God would not have made man there would be not purpose for Jesus to be born Who is God manifest to mankind. It is there that there is One God in the Bible. But it is not there that God is divided. To say God is anything more or less is creating something that God Himself doesn't know about.

There is one place for our God to be seated in Heaven and One lamb which is the type of the sacrificial Lamb who was slain for our sins. In order for the seals to be opened God Himself had to taste of how it was like to be a man. Therefore Jesus "God becoming man," was worthy to open the seals.

Even trying to understand the fact that God came as a human here for us is so amazing and so hard to grasp. However, God is so much greater than we.

For one to say that God is, three separate and distinct persons, which would mean each one would have each a mind of his own (that is the definition of being distinct), would be totally conflicting to the Word of God. However, to allow the Word to show us what is there which is in simplicity is a much greater approach. We do this through the Spirit of God leading us and through prayer and fasting. If we approach God's Word already convinced of something, then that is the eyes we will see God through.

If we believe God is real and God has all of the power and can communicate with us, then cleanse yourselves and do what the Bible says. Pray to the almighty God and ask Him for yourselves Who He is and you can know God for yourselves. God indeed can do this and wants to do this.

God bless
 

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The Father is the Holy Ghost

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Not in the Bible I read He isn't! :p

The Father is God the Father, the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, is God the Son, and the Holy Ghost, is God the Holy Spirit...Matt 3v16,17, 28v18-20, 2Cor 13v14 and so forth!

There exist three distinct self-conscious Persons (or self-aware subjects cognizant of their own existence) the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three distinct Persons share the nature of the one God, being coequal, co-eternal and co-existent. All three Persons are called (Greek) ‘theos’ (Strong’s NT:2316), and ‘kurios’ (Strong’s NT:2962), in a religious context, sharing in the works of God and possessing the very attributes of God. We find the truth of the Trinity contained in nearly every page of Scripture. The clear differentiation of all three Persons of the Trinity is well exampled in the New Testament, as seen from the few examples above...

Yahweh Shalom...
 
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Josh123, I take my hat off to you for your honesty, and courage in even bringing up The Doctrine of the Trinity for debate... and also sharing your view on the matter, most men wouldn't have the guts...I read quite a few of the replies out here, and Im pretty impressed with how opposing views have been expressed to this potentially volatile topic with such integrity, and care, this site seems to be very special in that regard, its a rear thing...I got together for a year every week with a pastor friend of mine about this very topic, and we went at it "the topic" every week, with much vigor, and the end result was after much study, research, and debate, was this...some things just wont be reviled till we cross over to the other side my brother...If you see the Trinity all over scripture, then you see it, if you see another dimension, then you see that, God gave us all eyes to look through, and many different colors to those eyes...The important thing is that your looking, that we are all looking, because when push comes to shove, "now we only see in part" as Paul states in 1Cor 13, I believe...The important thing is, we Love God, Love Jesus, Love eachother, and attempt to follow in our Masters foot steps to the best of our ability... And to follow His commands...Over the last 2000 years man has managed to doctrinize everything he could get his hands on, some motivated by the Holy Spirit, some from self seeking designs...Everyone has to find out for themselves what God is showing them in the Scriptures, then we share it with others...For me, I trust Christ will guide us all using the natures He knows we have been given, by The Father, to complete the tasks laid down before us...Doctrine is mans best effort to explain the unexplainable, again "best effort" ...we do our best, but by no means can any man, but Christ see through Gods eyes in full...If any man tells you he has the answers, BEWARE ... But the questions are a beautiful thing, and I believe its the very breath of God that prompts us to ask...Peace everyone...
 
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Do some research. Most scholars agree that that verse was added. In other words, not what John wrote.
I will again ask, is there not the Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit, even if that verse was added?
 
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You're reading into the text. Jesus sat in his father's throne - one throne.

GOD's right hand is his throne.
Suppose than that the other 12 thrones are also on God's throne? It really did not matter if I gave you Scripture as per your request or not.
 
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Perhaps you should ask him, he says that he is a new Christian.
What I meant was that despite his age he has a keen discernment. Very knowledgeable for such a young person. GOD is no respecter of persons (or age)...