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As someone said,we need to agree to disagree. This Chat room brings strangers together, people which we have never meet and properly will never talk to again in this life. and it is not for the novelist, who is wet behind the ears. I have never heard such weird, nonscience in all my life. The biggest challenge, in life, for me ,has been trying to correct, the fundamentals; now I am face to face with United Pentecostal and Apostolic faiths, the Assembly of God churches is bad enough, but these others are ,really of the wall. They have opened themselves up to Demons and this is why they fight the Bible. I want to thank the giver of post #330, this is good for all to read.Modalism is an old, old heresy. Josh ,has his own wrinkle , more like the Jeh. Wit., maybe? But Josh, I think you are not playing with the full deck, post #329, tells me this. You don't have all 52 cards in you pack. You have glued some cards together ,so you can not see the game like others of us play it. Others of you have added more cards , so,I, can not play the game with you,either. SOooo we stay in our own church and the two never get together, then we will have peace. But, we all believe that God reveals the truth,to those who seek it. So, we trust in God to do His work. SOoo I like to keep talking as long as others are listening. Be blessed in Jesus name. In the name of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit. Love to all, Hoffco
It is strange, but some who haven't long been Christians can have more of the meat, and less of the milk than others who have been Christians much longer, but became side tracked from what really mattered most. The Pharisees were consumed by the literal letter without understanding the heart of what that letter contained, so they condemned the innocent. Many today are consumed by their study/interpretation of the literal word to the point of again condemning the innocent, for they rely on themselves to learn, and not the Spirit who leads into truth. That leads to pride and thrusting oneself forward as an authority, alongside condemnation of others who don't fit in to their 'acceptable box' of thinking
I'd say Josh is doing just fine where it matters most
I'd say Josh is doing just fine where it matters most
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Without debating or discussing, how can you be strong in what is the truth? It's good that Josh and everyone is discussing. People tend to view it as judgment, but if we say it's heretical, then we need to discuss to find the matter, not let them go off thinking in such a way that they are always right. Josh is a good brother in Christ, im surprised he knows so much in little time. But that shouldn't automatically give him the title of being right all the time. Truth is truth. Just as iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens another.
The Holy Spirit leads into truth. And the truth is, the more you love God, the closer you come to Him through His Son, the more truth you will know for the Holy Spirit then becomes more dominant in your life. Ordained ministers teach from the pulpit, and we have the bible and prayer. It is good to remember, few of us on these websites are ordained ministers, you do not need to debate, or discuss on the internet to learn truth. Most simply come for fellowship/friendship I imagine, it is often(maybe not always) best to leave it there, but enjoy debating!
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To the op of this thread, I like very much the way you have explained things. and i understand exactly what you are saying.
Thank you for your efforts i am sure that your posts will be very helpful to some.
I think what you have started here is wonderful.
This topic i feel is the number 1 reason why so many people end up walking by sight and not by faith,, ? when people first come to do God they do not know God,,, God is a complete stranger to people new in faith until they read his word and get to know him, Probably the biggest question asked by kids is how can god be every where, ? but its said innocently by kids, because they want to know, some kids will tell you that god is everywhere, and this is wonderful, and other kids will want to know what they mean, so this is the way i see it. maybe the kids who say God is every where have also believed that Jesus died on the cross for us, and they have asked god with a sincere heart for the the truth, which is baptism of the holy spirit,
This is what i feel most people will say as kids,, God how can you be everywhere God why did Jesus die on the cross for us, God why can i not see the holy spirit, do you see what i am saying, I asked these questions as a kid and with a sincere heart, If you ask god with a sincere heart to be your friend and to allways be there for you and confess with a sincere heart that Jesus died for you, God will send his spirit you will have a friend for life. eternal.
the father the son and the spirit have always been one ill show you why and this old testement
[h=3]Joshua 1:9[/h] New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go
Thank you for your efforts i am sure that your posts will be very helpful to some.
I think what you have started here is wonderful.
This topic i feel is the number 1 reason why so many people end up walking by sight and not by faith,, ? when people first come to do God they do not know God,,, God is a complete stranger to people new in faith until they read his word and get to know him, Probably the biggest question asked by kids is how can god be every where, ? but its said innocently by kids, because they want to know, some kids will tell you that god is everywhere, and this is wonderful, and other kids will want to know what they mean, so this is the way i see it. maybe the kids who say God is every where have also believed that Jesus died on the cross for us, and they have asked god with a sincere heart for the the truth, which is baptism of the holy spirit,
This is what i feel most people will say as kids,, God how can you be everywhere God why did Jesus die on the cross for us, God why can i not see the holy spirit, do you see what i am saying, I asked these questions as a kid and with a sincere heart, If you ask god with a sincere heart to be your friend and to allways be there for you and confess with a sincere heart that Jesus died for you, God will send his spirit you will have a friend for life. eternal.
the father the son and the spirit have always been one ill show you why and this old testement
[h=3]Joshua 1:9[/h] New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go
Hi Silas,
I've been reading your posts with great interest. You don't actually say much of interest about anything. All yo are actually doing is jeering. Let me explain.
Lets go back to our school days. I remember when there was a fight, the 2 fighting would be in the center and around them would gather a crowd shouting and jeering, but in that crowd you would get the jeering coward who would launch a fly kick or punch in at the 2 fighting.. that guy is worse than the 2 fighting and is the real trouble maker.
Now, the above is just an analogy, we are not fighting on here, it is debate, however, you are that guy in the crowd.
I've been reading your posts with great interest. You don't actually say much of interest about anything. All yo are actually doing is jeering. Let me explain.
Lets go back to our school days. I remember when there was a fight, the 2 fighting would be in the center and around them would gather a crowd shouting and jeering, but in that crowd you would get the jeering coward who would launch a fly kick or punch in at the 2 fighting.. that guy is worse than the 2 fighting and is the real trouble maker.
Now, the above is just an analogy, we are not fighting on here, it is debate, however, you are that guy in the crowd.
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I think its you that debate as well and im sorry that you see people trying to help people out with the trinity as a debate.
Let me tell you a story, There was a person who had many faults and he went round the internet telling everyone they where this or they where that, but behind the mask thats how he realy was, this is you your that person,
Let me tell you a story, There was a person who had many faults and he went round the internet telling everyone they where this or they where that, but behind the mask thats how he realy was, this is you your that person,
I have not seen silas contribute to the debate.. he has from the sidelines jeered stirring up trouble and its very plain for all to go through his posts and see for themselves.
And I would certainly agree with you, I have many faults, and probably more than most. But yet saved by grace. Remember not only are we to proclaim the truth, not only are we to defend the truth, but we also are to contend for the truth.
Conteneding for the truth always causes offence to those who do not like it!
Hi Quickfire,
I was once certainly lost, yes indeed I was..but through the the grace and mercy of God, and through the perfect work of Jesus the second person of the Trinity and by the Power of the hrid person of the Trinity, I am now on the right track. Now I have a Life.. that Life is in Christ
If someone posts heresy or anti Christian material then I will still contend for the faith, whether you like it or not..
I think your post shows where your heart is.
I was once certainly lost, yes indeed I was..but through the the grace and mercy of God, and through the perfect work of Jesus the second person of the Trinity and by the Power of the hrid person of the Trinity, I am now on the right track. Now I have a Life.. that Life is in Christ
If someone posts heresy or anti Christian material then I will still contend for the faith, whether you like it or not..
I think your post shows where your heart is.
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Is Jesus God? Must we believe that the LORD is our Savior? Or, is there another savior whereby we can be saved? Wasn't Jesus the Savior? So, your question, must we believe that Jesus is God? Answer: must we believe God alone is our Savior?
your words seem just, but where is the justice in demanding a denial in saying that we do not have to believe Jesus is that God we know as Savior? Yes, we must believe that He is the only Savior, seeing that the LORD said He is Savior. If He is not God then we still await our Savior, as the Jews do.
your words seem just, but where is the justice in demanding a denial in saying that we do not have to believe Jesus is that God we know as Savior? Yes, we must believe that He is the only Savior, seeing that the LORD said He is Savior. If He is not God then we still await our Savior, as the Jews do.
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The reason I liked this chat site was the fact that some very potentially volatile topics are posted here, and people seem to deal with these topics with a high level of respect toward one another...Then I see this page of venom begin to cultivate, and from grown men, is this what you want to show to younger men and woman in Christ as being the end result of what being a Christian is?...My background in my younger years was nothing but Violence, crime, drugs, and jailhouse mentality..And guess what? its the same devil that works on the streets, and in the jailhouse that is working right here...If you cant navigate through a topic like this without attacking one another on a personal level, what chance do you have dealing any real attacks from satan. Do you really think their is any contribution to Christendom that manifests itself through passive aggressive attacks on each other? Peace
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Hi Quickfire,
I was once certainly lost, yes indeed I was..but through the the grace and mercy of God, and through the perfect work of Jesus the second person of the Trinity and by the Power of the hrid person of the Trinity, I am now on the right track. Now I have a Life.. that Life is in Christ
If someone posts heresy or anti Christian material then I will still contend for the faith, whether you like it or not..
I think your post shows where your heart is.
I was once certainly lost, yes indeed I was..but through the the grace and mercy of God, and through the perfect work of Jesus the second person of the Trinity and by the Power of the hrid person of the Trinity, I am now on the right track. Now I have a Life.. that Life is in Christ
If someone posts heresy or anti Christian material then I will still contend for the faith, whether you like it or not..
I think your post shows where your heart is.
"in the beginning was the word.."
as far back as you want to go, the Lord pre-existed the beginning. before there was time, I AM. after time is no more, I AM.
like a third axis on a two dimensional plane, God is both before and beyond time. He speaks of the future in past tense; He was, He is, He is yet to come. Trying to comprehend his eternal glory in the context of our puny experience is like trying to faithfully draw a 10-dimensional object on a chalkboard.
as far back as you want to go, the Lord pre-existed the beginning. before there was time, I AM. after time is no more, I AM.
like a third axis on a two dimensional plane, God is both before and beyond time. He speaks of the future in past tense; He was, He is, He is yet to come. Trying to comprehend his eternal glory in the context of our puny experience is like trying to faithfully draw a 10-dimensional object on a chalkboard.
Hi Phil
Thank you for your thoughts which gave me a wry smile. It's difficult to have a discussion with you, for you contribute nothing to it, just make your demands that you have no scripture with which to back up.
I have given you scripture that supports my belief and shows who we must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life, you ignored it completely. I explain to you the ordained ministers don't preach your demands from the pulpit, you ignore it completely, then you make your demands and pronounce your condemnation of others.
You don't remind me of anyone in a schoolground, more the Pharisees of biblical times who condemned the innocent
You seem like someone who is reluctant to answer questions put to you, you just evade them, but then expect yours to always be responded to, oh well.
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I've only been debating one thing, who a person must believe Jesus to be to inherit eternal life, I know its tough for you, as you have no plain scripture to back up your demands, which is probably why you have to resort to insults to try and away deflect from that truth
Thank you for your thoughts which gave me a wry smile. It's difficult to have a discussion with you, for you contribute nothing to it, just make your demands that you have no scripture with which to back up.
I have given you scripture that supports my belief and shows who we must believe Christ to be to inherit eternal life, you ignored it completely. I explain to you the ordained ministers don't preach your demands from the pulpit, you ignore it completely, then you make your demands and pronounce your condemnation of others.
You don't remind me of anyone in a schoolground, more the Pharisees of biblical times who condemned the innocent
You seem like someone who is reluctant to answer questions put to you, you just evade them, but then expect yours to always be responded to, oh well.
BTW
I've only been debating one thing, who a person must believe Jesus to be to inherit eternal life, I know its tough for you, as you have no plain scripture to back up your demands, which is probably why you have to resort to insults to try and away deflect from that truth
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That's just the thing brother.. as i was saying the spirit of truth doesn't contradict itself it's not about me knowing anything it's about what the spirit reveals, and letting God reveal the anwsers to you instead of your own interpretations, i went to church today and saw this scripture So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. [h=3]2 Timothy 2:22[/h]now people would see this and think to themselves that they have the pursue the righteousness, faith and the others but it's not like that brothers and sisters you will always fault if YOU try to do it have to let God live the life for us only God can make us righteous we become servants of righteousness when we accept God in our Lives and only one way to do that through faith then your faith must bring forth works to prove that your faith was genuine real faith and that faith will also bring forth a change in your life which you will witness in your life, so my brother it's not about knowing so much in little time all truth every single truth is revealed to a born again believer and if anyone doesn't believe that they are being contrary to the word of God When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. [h=3]John 16:13[/h]
it's only one spirit who ever has the spirit in truth in them would end up with the same anwser this truth doesn't change, i've shared my testimony with this forum alot of times to prove that God did change me and he did free me from Sin and he did embodied me with the holy spirit, and the truth of everything is reveal to me, it doesn't make sense reading the bible without the holy spirit because it will be carnal thinking of your view on what you think the bible is saying but the spirit never says anything but the truth, that is why we MUST worship do everysingle thing in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” [h=3]John 4:24[/h]
only way to know that it is the truth
it's only one spirit who ever has the spirit in truth in them would end up with the same anwser this truth doesn't change, i've shared my testimony with this forum alot of times to prove that God did change me and he did free me from Sin and he did embodied me with the holy spirit, and the truth of everything is reveal to me, it doesn't make sense reading the bible without the holy spirit because it will be carnal thinking of your view on what you think the bible is saying but the spirit never says anything but the truth, that is why we MUST worship do everysingle thing in SPIRIT AND TRUTH. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” [h=3]John 4:24[/h]
only way to know that it is the truth