Sabbath Confusion
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"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.[SUP]2 [/SUP]Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. [SUP]5 [/SUP]For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love." Gal 5:1-5
Take your SDA legalism elsewhere, because grace and our sovereign God and Saviour Jesus Christ save, not keeping Old Testament laws.
Did you know the Ten Commandments only appear in two places in totality in the Old Testament?? Once in Exodus 20:3-17 and repeated before the children of Israel went into the promised land in Deut 5:7-21? No where else!!
What that means is that it was not important enough for any of the major prophets or minor prophets to repeat it. In fact, most of the prophets just pleaded that the people worship the Lord their God. We are under obligation to obey Christ, who came to fulfill the law, not to prolong it!
Take your SDA legalism elsewhere, because grace and our sovereign God and Saviour Jesus Christ save, not keeping Old Testament laws.
Did you know the Ten Commandments only appear in two places in totality in the Old Testament?? Once in Exodus 20:3-17 and repeated before the children of Israel went into the promised land in Deut 5:7-21? No where else!!
What that means is that it was not important enough for any of the major prophets or minor prophets to repeat it. In fact, most of the prophets just pleaded that the people worship the Lord their God. We are under obligation to obey Christ, who came to fulfill the law, not to prolong it!
I don't think that because there were Jewish factions back then, Christians shouldn't try to find what God wants of them today. If the Pharisee would have discussed openly and looked at themselves carefully they would have seen truth.
We know that Jesus is the truth and the light. We are talking about the best way to walk, the walk that is closest to how Christ wants us to walk. I think learning as much as we can and searching for that way best we can is worth while.
Do you think that any discussion is bickering?
We know that Jesus is the truth and the light. We are talking about the best way to walk, the walk that is closest to how Christ wants us to walk. I think learning as much as we can and searching for that way best we can is worth while.
Do you think that any discussion is bickering?
Please show which words in the original Greek translate to "because the beast changed the Sabbath" in Rev 14:9-12.
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9 Καὶ ἄλλος ἄγγελος τρίτος ἠκολούθησεν αὐτοῖς λέγων ἐν φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· Εἴ τις προσκυνεῖ τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ λαμβάνει χάραγμα ἐπὶ τοῦ μετώπου αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ, 10 καὶ αὐτὸς πίεται ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τοῦ θυμοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ κεκερασμένου ἀκράτου ἐν τῷ ποτηρίῳ τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτοῦ, καὶ βασανισθήσεται ἐν πυρὶ καὶ θείῳ ἐνώπιον [q]ἀγγέλων ἁγίων καὶ ἐνώπιον τοῦ ἀρνίου. 11 καὶ ὁ καπνὸς τοῦ βασανισμοῦ αὐτῶν εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων ἀναβαίνει, καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτός, οἱ προσκυνοῦντες τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ εἴ τις λαμβάνει τὸ χάραγμα τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.
12 Ὧδε ἡ ὑπομονὴ τῶν ἁγίων ἐστίν, οἱ τηροῦντες τὰς ἐντολὰς τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὴν πίστιν Ἰησοῦ. (SBLGNT)
We're Christians here on Christian Chat, so naturally we have great concern whether or not the phrase "because the beast changed the Sabbath" is a good translation of Rev 14:9-12.
Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; (NASB)
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9 Καὶ ἄλλος ἄγγελος τρίτος ἠκολούθησεν αὐτοῖς λέγων ἐν φωνῇ μεγάλῃ· Εἴ τις προσκυνεῖ τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ λαμβάνει χάραγμα ἐπὶ τοῦ μετώπου αὐτοῦ ἢ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτοῦ, 10 καὶ αὐτὸς πίεται ἐκ τοῦ οἴνου τοῦ θυμοῦ τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ κεκερασμένου ἀκράτου ἐν τῷ ποτηρίῳ τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτοῦ, καὶ βασανισθήσεται ἐν πυρὶ καὶ θείῳ ἐνώπιον [q]ἀγγέλων ἁγίων καὶ ἐνώπιον τοῦ ἀρνίου. 11 καὶ ὁ καπνὸς τοῦ βασανισμοῦ αὐτῶν εἰς αἰῶνας αἰώνων ἀναβαίνει, καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ νυκτός, οἱ προσκυνοῦντες τὸ θηρίον καὶ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ, καὶ εἴ τις λαμβάνει τὸ χάραγμα τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ.
12 Ὧδε ἡ ὑπομονὴ τῶν ἁγίων ἐστίν, οἱ τηροῦντες τὰς ἐντολὰς τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὴν πίστιν Ἰησοῦ. (SBLGNT)
We're Christians here on Christian Chat, so naturally we have great concern whether or not the phrase "because the beast changed the Sabbath" is a good translation of Rev 14:9-12.
Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; (NASB)
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When will y'all understand that Jesus is our Sabbath. The commandments repeated in the NT did not include keeping Sabbath. Because if we put our faith in what Jesus did at the cross, we have kept the Sabbath. There is no rest outside of accepting Christ. Only bondage to sin with no escape.
Now I am not saying that the law is bad. But, to place faith in keeping law, negates the cross and God will not accept that.
Now I am not saying that the law is bad. But, to place faith in keeping law, negates the cross and God will not accept that.
My apologies I did not mean it in that manner, the catholic church is the beast and they are the ones who "changed", it was prophesied to happen
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times , and Laws." I put it in () bit I forgot to italicize. I was typing in a hurry.
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times , and Laws." I put it in () bit I forgot to italicize. I was typing in a hurry.
Mark 4:11-13, "And He said to them; Unto you it is given to know the great secrets of the Kingdom of Yahweh, but to those on the outside, all things come in parables, So that seeing they may see, but not perceive; and hearing they may hear, but not understand; unless at any time they should be converted, and their sins be forgiven them. The Parable of the Sower Explained Then He said to them: Do you not understand this parable? But how then will you understand any parable?"
What does this parable have to do with not keeping Sabbath? Nothing.
What does this parable have to do with not keeping Sabbath? Nothing.
I think you all need to read and then look into this. Constantine minted the pagan SUN god (Sol Invictus Mithra) on his coins 30 years after "converting," the holy day of the SUN god was SUNday, who cahnged the Sabbath to SUNday? Constantine council of Nicea 321ad
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."
Mattithyah 15:8-9, "These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
1 Yahchanan 2:4-5, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him."
DO YOU KNOW YAHWEH? Your pastor tells you that you do, but do this Scriptures?
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."
Mattithyah 15:8-9, "These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."
1 Yahchanan 2:4-5, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, eand the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him."
DO YOU KNOW YAHWEH? Your pastor tells you that you do, but do this Scriptures?
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A day of the week is your God? How many times was Christ asked: "What Commandments?" And how many times did He point to the same Commandments from the beginning? And here you try to claim some new commandments from some Jesus that Christ doesn't know. Christ came to fulfill the Commandments by doing the Commandments. Yet somehow you think to fulfill the requirements is a removal of them? Christ showed you how to fulfill the Law by DOING it. And your idea is to fulfill the Law by doing away with it? Yet liars are still liars, thieves are still thieves, murders are still murders and you think that repentance...to turn around and DO the Commandments as Christ requested negates the cross? Better yet, by keeping the Commandments and the bearing of your own cross and not speaking lies, not cheating or stealing from others, not hating each other, not being full of guile is not acceptable to God. Christ did not do away with the Sabbath, and when they came together to break bread on the first day of the week, it was the day after they kept the Sabbath. And because Friday was payday, the Church said not to worry about setting tithes aside now but rather prepare for the keeping of the Sabbath and on the first day of the week they gathered together to break bread and gather their needs for the upcoming week. Christ said have faith and keep the Commandments; your God says have faith and forget the Commandments...meet on the first day of the week and serve God a little and serve mammon a little and all will be well? Break all the Commandments you want and turn not aside nor repent because you have some faith in something you don't really understand and based upon some perversion of scriptures to serve a Christ of a generation of vipers.
Welcome to the World. And the fruit of it: Liars, deceivers, murderers, destruction...because you have turned aside from the Law of the House above the top of the mountains: Welcome to the World, welcome to the Bottomless Pit's beginning found in Deut. 28:15...This is the Christ you serve and have put your faith in. And out of this Pit arises that Great Dragon, that Beast System, and that deceiver you call your Christ. Have faith in the true Christ that this will be the reward of those that turn aside of doing the will of God. God is "ONE," and there is no Devil beside Him. For good or for evil, your reward is with Him. That wicked one exists in your own heart to resist God, and the voice of Christ is not heard in you.
To keep the Commandments and have the faith of Christ is how you worship the God I know. No other worship is as acceptable as this. My God is my Father. And He is ONE, and for good or evil, our reward is with Him. And the Son reinforces the desire of the Father, and whether you do good, or do evil...by the same deeds will you receive justification or condemnation. But as you have sown, whether it be good or whether it be evil, such shall you reap and you have a faith that makes God into a liar?
The final word from Rev. 21:14: "Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the city."
Your faith is in a ...W I D E... gate descending into a Bottomless Pit of curses.
Why not lie to get your way? Why not cheat? Why not steal? Why not murder? and you find yourself surrounded by liars, cheaters, thieves, and murderers just like yourself and the Christ you serve and wonder why that is. You are a lawless people that trust in the traditions of men. You have given your backside to God.
Welcome to the World. And the fruit of it: Liars, deceivers, murderers, destruction...because you have turned aside from the Law of the House above the top of the mountains: Welcome to the World, welcome to the Bottomless Pit's beginning found in Deut. 28:15...This is the Christ you serve and have put your faith in. And out of this Pit arises that Great Dragon, that Beast System, and that deceiver you call your Christ. Have faith in the true Christ that this will be the reward of those that turn aside of doing the will of God. God is "ONE," and there is no Devil beside Him. For good or for evil, your reward is with Him. That wicked one exists in your own heart to resist God, and the voice of Christ is not heard in you.
To keep the Commandments and have the faith of Christ is how you worship the God I know. No other worship is as acceptable as this. My God is my Father. And He is ONE, and for good or evil, our reward is with Him. And the Son reinforces the desire of the Father, and whether you do good, or do evil...by the same deeds will you receive justification or condemnation. But as you have sown, whether it be good or whether it be evil, such shall you reap and you have a faith that makes God into a liar?
The final word from Rev. 21:14: "Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter into the city."
Your faith is in a ...W I D E... gate descending into a Bottomless Pit of curses.
Why not lie to get your way? Why not cheat? Why not steal? Why not murder? and you find yourself surrounded by liars, cheaters, thieves, and murderers just like yourself and the Christ you serve and wonder why that is. You are a lawless people that trust in the traditions of men. You have given your backside to God.