Sabbath Confusion

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Hizikyah

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I challenge anyone who has not kept Sabbath to do it 4 times and if you dont grow Spiritually with Yahweh I will be shocked.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
When will y'all understand that Jesus is our Sabbath. The commandments repeated in the NT did not include keeping Sabbath. Because if we put our faith in what Jesus did at the cross, we have kept the Sabbath. There is no rest outside of accepting Christ. Only bondage to sin with no escape.


Now I am not saying that the law is bad. But, to place faith in keeping law, negates the cross and God will not accept that.


Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. Who did Jesus come for? Man. To place the Sabbath above the work of the cross, does not border blasphemy, it is. The cross is God's ultimate act to save humanity and not laws or sabbaths. Paul said let no man judge you in food or drink or sabbaths, because or faith is to be firmly placed in what God did and not what we do. Our righteousness is a filthy rag. Praise be to Jesus giving himself on the cross, His blood makes me righteous and absolutely no law can do that. Is your faith in law or the work of the cross? If you pick law. then you need to get saved.


Quote Originally Posted by danschance view post
Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."


Quote originally posted by SpiritofFire view post
You are correct, the sign or mark of God is the sabbath. But I ask you this. Is it a good thing and lawful to worship God on ANY day of the week?
Yes it is! The sabbath is those that are dead in Christ.


Quote Originally Posted by duewell view post
Mark 4:11-13, "And He said to them; Unto you it is given to know the great secrets of the Kingdom of Yahweh, but to those on the outside, all things come in parables, So that seeing they may see, but not perceive; and hearing they may hear, but not understand; unless at any time they should be converted, and their sins be forgiven them. The Parable of the Sower Explained Then He said to them: Do you not understand this parable? But how then will you understand any parable?"




My eyes see and perceive and my ears hear and understand the WORD WHICH IS JESUS the CHRIST. And it appears there are some of us on here that are Christian jewish and some on here that are converted gentiles who as it is written are stumbling blocks.
 
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The Sabbath is the prophetic shadow picture of the 1000yr regin.

Hebrew 4:1-6, "Therefore, since a promise of mentering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not nshare in the faith of those who obeyed--However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And Yahweh rested the Seventh Day from all His
works. And in this place again: 1If they will enter into My brest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience."


Quote Originally Posted by danschance view post
Paul wrote in Colossians 2:16
"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath."

In Shaul's day men were KILLED for keeping Sabbath, also get a interlinear from a original manuscript. This was about not letting people fear you into not following Yahweh, not being set apart.

Do you celebrate christmas?
 
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a. First mention of the Sabbath in the gospel of Matthew; b. Jesus' custom on Sabbath; c. Jesus in the synagogue of Nazareth.
[h=3]a. First mention of the Sabbath in the gospel of Matthew[/h]Let us continue with the events that happened with Jesus' disciples in that grain field on a Sabbath. We have seen already discovered Jesus' response to the Pharisees accusing his disciples of breaking the Sabbath law. We have seen that the moral law is above the ceremonial law, but somehow the Sabbath law can be broken in favour of the ceremonial law.

The first mention of Jesus and the Sabbath in the gospel of Matthew is this very episode, found in Matt 12:1-8. It is interesting to note that Jesus and His disciples, on the Sabbath Day, were gathering food. This is exactly what the Israelites were forbidden to do 2000 years earlier (Exodus 16)! It is obvious to all that Jesus is trying to teach us something here. Not only is He breaking the rule of not gathering food on Sabbath, He is pointing out that the Sabbath can be broken in favour of the ceremonial law!

By what authority can He do this? Matt 12:6: "I tell you that one greater than the temple is here." Jesus' authority is greater than the temple and it's ceremonial law. Jesus is the Son of God, soon to be giving His life in ransom to bring salvation to a fallen humanity. Jesus has authority that humans do not have! He is the Creator: John 1:10-11 "He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him." Jesus knows what He is talking about!

Let's read Jesus' next response: Matt 12:8 "For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." What does this mean? Does this mean the Sabbath law is never to be broken? Well, we've just seen that Jesus and His disciples were breaking the Sabbath law. We also discovered that Israelites were permitted to break that law in favour of ceremonial laws.

To understand the concept of Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath, I would like to use an illustration. Let's pretend that I just bought a house. Who is the Lord (in other words the Master) of that house? Is it the one that just moved out of it? No. Is it the one who lives next door? No. The Master of that house is me. I bought the house, I paid for it. I have the deed in my name. It is my house. And being lord of my house, what do I have the authority to do? Can I change the colours of my walls? Absolutely! Can I make a hole in my ceiling? No one will be able to stop me. Can I enlarge my bedroom? Why not. I have authority over my house, because it is legally mine. No one can come into my house and start painting the walls a different color unless I give him/her permission to do so. Being the Lord or Master of my house, I have full authority over my house. I can do with it as I please.

Jesus says that He is the Lord (Master) of the Sabbath. What does that mean? It means that He is the one who has authority over the Sabbath! He had the deed over the Sabbath. It is His. He is the Creator, He rested on the seventh day. He can do as He wishes with the Sabbath. So is the accusation of the Pharisees that Jesus and His disciples are breaking the Sabbath law legitimate? Not at all. Sure, He was breaking the Sabbath laws, but He had authority to do so. He is the Master, the Lord of the Sabbath, and how can we, as created beings, complain about what He, the Creator, is doing with something that is legitimately His?

It is interesting to note that this same story is mentioned not only once in the gospels, but three times! See Mark 2:23-28 and Luke 6:1-5. When God gives a message once, we need to listen to what He tells us. When God gives us a message twice it is of upmost importance. When He gives it three times, we better pay close attention to it!

[h=3]b. Jesus' custom on Sabbath[/h]Jesus faithfully attended the synagogue on Sabbath.

Luke 4:16 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom."

What was Jesus' purpose for doing so? The gospels reveal clearly His purpose: Luke 4:31 "Then he went down to Capernaum, a town in Galilee, and on the Sabbath began to teach the people."

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Luke 4:42-44 "At daybreak Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent." And he kept on preaching in the synagogues of Judea."

Jesus' purpose in going to the synagogue on Sabbath was clear and simple: it gave Him opportunity to preach "the good news of the kingdom of God". There was no better place for doing so. All Jews attended the synagogue on Sabbath. Jesus had a captive audience all in one place! There was no better place than a synagogue filled on Sabbath to preach the gospel message! Sure, a market place would have a lot of people. But how can you have the undivided attention of a whole town when most of these people were busy doing their business? Only in the synagogues, on the Sabbath day, would the entire town pay close attention to what was being said.

The apostle Paul followed Jesus' example as well and did the same kind of preaching in synagogues on Sabbath. Why? Because it was a God-given way to preach the gospel to a whole town, at a time when they would be paying close attention to what was said! Acts 18:4 "Every Sabbath he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue, trying to persuade Jews and Greeks."

Jesus, His disciples and the apostle Paul were using the same technique of preaching the gospel.

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c. Jesus in the synagogue of Nazareth
[/h]Let us look a bit closer to one of Jesus' encounters on Sabbath in a synagogue. Here we find Jesus in the town of Nazareth, where as was His custom, He went to the synagogue on Sabbath. Let us read together what happened: Luke 4:16-21 "He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.""

Wow! Jesus was using the Scriptures to summarize His ministry on earth. He was quoting Isa 61:1-2, which speaks of the jubilee in reference to the upcoming Messiah!

Now what was the jubilee? Let us go to Lev 25:8-17 which explains in details what the Jubilee consists off: "'Count off seven sabbaths of years--seven times seven years--so that the seven sabbaths of years amount to a period of forty-nine years. Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land. Consecrate the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants. It shall be ajubilee for you; each one of you is to return to his family property and each to his own clan. The fiftieth year shall be a jubilee for you; do not sow and do not reap what grows of itself or harvest the untended vines. 1For it is a jubilee and is to be holy for you; eat only what is taken directly from the fields. 'In this Year of Jubileeeveryone is to return to his own property. 'If you sell land to one of your countrymen or buy any from him, do not take advantage of each other. You are to buy from your countryman on the basis of the number of years since the Jubilee. And he is to sell to you on the basis of the number of years left for harvesting crops. When the years are many, you are to increase the price, and when the years are few, you are to decrease the price, because what he is really selling you is the number of crops."

In other words, jubilee is the Sabbath of Sabbaths. It is celebrated "seven sabbaths of years--seven times seven years" and it announces freedom. Slaves are free to leave their master and go back to their family. Land that was sold goes back to the original owner. It was a time of great rejoicing!

Now in Luke 4:21 Jesus announces "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." What was He meaning with this? Jesus proclaims not only to be the Messiah, but also calls Himself the jubilee! Jesus is the ultimate Sabbath personified. He is the ultimate Sabbath in person!

Was Jesus able to back up His claim? Surely: Matt 11:5-6 "The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor." In other words He is our jubilee, the ultimate Sabbath in person.

No wonder Jesus could proclaim with confidence: Matt 11:28-30 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." NIV

Jesus is our ultimate Sabbath! In Him we find rest! We can lay our burdens down at His feet and not worry about how to solve our problems. He will guide us and will give us not a once a week rest, but a continual rest! He is the Sabbath personified!
 
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Do you celebrate christmas? Christ mass is the Christian church on earth and in heaven of all believers. Do I celebrate, Every true Christian does. Silly question.
 

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QUOTEN directline2iam "ot only is He breaking the rule of not gathering food on Sabbath, He is pointing out that the Sabbath can be broken in favour of the ceremonial law!"

Mattithyah 12:5 & 12Or have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath Days the priests in the House of Yahweh profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

So let me get this straight, your satanic commentary there says Yahshua sinned? If He sinned He could not be the real Messiah.
SO tell me did Yahshua sin?

Yahshua broke the Pharisees Talmudic law, but you probably don't know the difference so you bundle man's law into Yahweh's. Not that you will look into it but here is a thread exposing what the Talmudic law really is, but who needs to know the truth right?
 
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I challenge anyone who has not kept Sabbath to do it 4 times and if you dont grow Spiritually with Yahweh I will be shocked.
How do you keep SABBATH (the Lord)? In your pocket or what? In your confused mind? yes
 

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Do you celebrate christmas? Christ mass is the Christian church on earth and in heaven of all believers. Do I celebrate, Every true Christian does. Silly question.
No i do not celebrate December 25, Christmas the birthday of the SUN god Tammuz, the day the SUN id "reborn", the days get longer again. It is a pagan tradition that comes from Babylon and in CONDEMMED in the Scriptures. It has nothing to do with Yahshua, when Yahsshua was born.

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way; religious practices, of the heathen; Gentile nations; and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them; using them to set their feasts. For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness! There is none like You, O Yahweh! You are great, and Your Name is mighty in power."

And also Yahshua did not resurrect on Easter Sunday

Easter is the name of a bablonian fertility goddess


Wake up and quit falling for satans lies, these thigs ARE A DISGRACE TO THE MESSIAH
 
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QUOTEN directline2iam "ot only is He breaking the rule of not gathering food on Sabbath, He is pointing out that the Sabbath can be broken in favour of the ceremonial law!"

Mattithyah 12:5 & 12Or have you not read in the Law, how that on the Sabbath Days the priests in the House of Yahweh profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?" "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

So let me get this straight, your satanic commentary there says Yahshua sinned? If He sinned He could not be the real Messiah.
SO tell me did Yahshua sin?

Yahshua broke the Pharisees Talmudic law, but you probably don't know the difference so you bundle man's law into Yahweh's. Not that you will look into it but here is a thread exposing what the Talmudic law really is, but who needs to know the truth right?
SO tell me did Yahshua sin? No How can the creater of the Sabboth sin against His creation? silly question
 

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How do you keep SABBATH (the Lord)? In your pocket or what? In your confused mind? yes
Jokes

No you use the entire day for nothing but the will of Yahweh.

It is refreshing, fruitful.
You learn, grow, help others.

It is not for ANYTHING of your own gain or work,

it is only for the will of Yahweh, not even idle conversastions. IT IS AMAZING.
 

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SO tell me did Yahshua sin? No How can the creater of the Sabboth sin against His creation? silly question
Your commentary said He broke the Sabbath, that is sin.

If Yahweh did evil, which He dosen't and will never, but if He did yes it would be sin. Why would He come to fulfill the Law and then not do it? Is He not the sinless Sacrafice?
 
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No i do not celebrate December 25, Christmas the birthday of the SUN god Tammuz, the day the SUN id "reborn", the days get longer again. It is a pagan tradition that comes from Babylon and in CONDEMMED in the Scriptures. It has nothing to do with Yahshua, when Yahsshua was born.

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way; religious practices, of the heathen; Gentile nations; and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them; using them to set their feasts. For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness! There is none like You, O Yahweh! You are great, and Your Name is mighty in power."

And also Yahshua did not resurrect on Easter Sunday

Easter is the name of a bablonian fertility goddess



Wake up and quit falling for satans lies, these thigs ARE A DISGRACE TO THE MESSIAH
QUOTE=Hizikyah;1167828]No i do not celebrate December 25, Christmas the birthday of the SUN god Tammuz.

I don't either, but since no one knows the date He jesus was born, Some pick the 25th and others other dates. Since The date isn't important, isn't the focus, but rather the Fact that the Lord was born in the flesh as our Lord and King, any day is fine with me. You can't spoil Christs birthday with any day in the life of a walrus. Christs birthday out ways all human special days whether heathen or not.
 

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Actually there is a guy named michael Rood who claims to (and I think its solid) have restored the calendar, its sounds impossible but when you look into his work it's amazing. he released something called chronological gospels and more

I celebrate the feast of first fruits, it is the exact time when Yahshua rose.

Also christmas is condemmed in the Scriptures?!?!?

how can you walk with the Messiah and do all that He says not to? Right?
 

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what 1,000 year reign?
Satan is boud for 1000 years and the kingdom of Yahweh is on earth, then at the end of the 1000 years satan is loosed, and Yahshua conquers at the battle of har-meggido (armeggedion)
 

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From that link:

"Michael John Rood is an ordained nondenominational Christian minister and Messianic rabbi,"

LOL Rood teaches to call no man Rabbi, as does the Scriptures, and yeah he teaches christmas and Easter are pagan because they are. ( disclaimer I dont agree with all he says but he is quality)
 
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From that link:

"Michael John Rood is an ordained nondenominational Christian minister and Messianic rabbi,"

LOL Rood teaches to call no man Rabbi, as does the Scriptures, and yeah he teaches christmas and Easter are pagan because they are. ( disclaimer I dont agree with all he says but he is quality)
Where do you get this stuff that the birth of Christ and his resurrection are pagan? You are so out of truth, do you even have a clue as to what it is we are discussing?
 
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Actually there is a guy named michael Rood who claims to (and I think its solid) have restored the calendar, its sounds impossible but when you look into his work it's amazing. he released something called chronological gospels and more

I celebrate the feast of first fruits, it is the exact time when Yahshua rose.

Also christmas is condemmed in the Scriptures?!?!?

how can you walk with the Messiah and do all that He says not to? Right?
Maybe you might read his book again cause you definitely missed one thing. UNDERSTANDING!