Great Pyramid Builder Identified in Scripture

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HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

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Bryancampbell said:
Hmmm I don't know, I remember it was either before the flood or the tower. Do you have places for your information about timelines? Because I seem confused :confused:
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I confused Pharez with Peleg. Pharez was a son of Judah.

Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God. Job 32:2

Now these are the generations of Pharez: Pharez begat Hezron, And Hezron begat Ram, and Ram begat Amminadab, Ruth 4:18-19

And the sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah, and Pharez, and Zerah: but Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan. And the sons of Pharez were Hezron and Hamul. Genesis 46:12
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RachelBibleStudent

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Bryancampbell said:
How far apart then? I once was shown they were?
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the generation when job lived can possibly be inferred from some of the names that appear in the book...

job lived in the land of uz...uz was a son of aram... so this requires that job lived at least three generations after noah...

one of job's friends is called eliphaz the temanite...esau had a son named eliphaz...and this eliphaz had a son named teman...teman was also the name of a city in edom... if job is referencing these same people then this places the story at least two generations after jacob...

another one of job's friends is called bildad the shuhite...abraham had a son named shuah by his second wife keturah... that means that bildad lived at least two generations after abraham...or no earlier than the generation of jacob...

job's third friend is called zophar the naamathite...there was a city in pre conquest era canaan called naamah which could possibly be related... if they are connected then zophar lived no later than joshua's time...

the remaining human character in job is elihu...he is called the son of barachel the buzite in the family of ram...abraham's brother nahor had a son named buz... if these are the same people then elihu lived at least four generations after abraham...or at least two generations after jacob...

from these details it seems that the book of job occurred a few generations after jacob...during the four hundred years that the israelites were in egypt...but given job's lifespan which is alluded to at the end of the book it appears that job himself was born several generations earlier than that...
 
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Huckleberry said:
God Himself performed the first animal sacrifice to cover Adam and Eve.
The first burnt offering was by Noah after The Flood.
Genesis 46:13 names Job coming into Egypt with Jacob.
That puts him with Joseph.
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there is no scriptural evidence that God actually had to kill an animal to make clothes for adam and eve...God is perfectly capable of creating things out of nothing...

the first burnt offerings were those of cain and abel...

issachar had a son named iob who went to egypt...in numbers 26:24 and 1 chronicles 7:1 he is called jashub...so this is not the same person as job...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
from these details it seems that the book of job occurred a few generations after jacob...during the four hundred years that the israelites were in egypt...but given job's lifespan which is alluded to at the end of the book it appears that job himself was born several generations earlier than that...
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You got that right, sister.
Job was the son of Issachar, and the nephew of...you guessed it!...Joseph.
 
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Huckleberry said:
You got that right, sister.
Job was the son of Issachar, and the nephew of...you guessed it!...Joseph.
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the book of job places job's home in the land of uz...while genesis shows issachar and the rest of his family living in canaan before moving to egypt where they died...these are clearly not the same person...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
there is no scriptural evidence that God actually had to kill an animal to make clothes for adam and eve...God is perfectly capable of creating things out of nothing...

the first burnt offerings were those of cain and abel...

issachar had a son named iob who went to egypt...in numbers 26:24 and 1 chronicles 7:1 he is called jashub...so this is not the same person as job...
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Jashub and Job (and Cheops!) were all the same person.

First burnt offerings by Cain and Abel? You're off your rocker, sister!

How did God make Adam and Eve 'coats of skins" without killing the owner of said skin?
Also, that blood sacrifice made by God Himself is a picture of the crucifixion.
Similar to Abraham/Isaac account.

I'm sure you're a very nice lady, but you are woefully ignorant of Scripture.
 
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kenisyes said:
The author of your paper is so confused! Egyptians kept accurate records of pharoahs, their names, and in many cases, fairly exact dates, computed from the disagreements between regnal and astronomical year. Just a few problems: Djoser (Tcheser, Zoser) is third dynasty. Cheops is fourth. There's almost two centuries of time between them. Joseph is responsible for the Nileometer, and the royal control of the tombs, but that is twlefth Dynasty. You have Job being all these people. The famine of Tcheser (regardless of how the seminary textbooks treat it) is a third dynasty event. If you choose to link it, you fail to account for the architectural evidence of the development of the 22/28 slope constant developed in the meantime. You will also need to account for Djedi the wiseman in the legend of the measurement, and for Madir's consultation of the records at Onu (how could anyone think this is the same as "amen"?). "Amen" by the way, is a loan word, probably Egyptian to Hebrew (maybe the other way around), in each case derived from amet, meaning truth. It is a common word in both languages. Further, how do you account for Uz, where Job lived? If the Job, son of Issachar is the same, how did he get there, all by himself, without the brothers and cousins.
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i have NO idea what you just said... but i LOVE IT!!
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Huckleberry said:
Jashub and Job (and Cheops!) were all the same person.

First burnt offerings by Cain and Abel? You're off your rocker, sister!

How did God make Adam and Eve 'coats of skins" without killing the owner of said skin?
Also, that blood sacrifice made by God Himself is a picture of the crucifixion.
Similar to Abraham/Isaac account.

I'm sure you're a very nice lady, but you are woefully ignorant of Scripture.
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genesis 4 makes it clear that cain and abel brought offerings to God...those would have certainly been burnt offerings...though maybe not according to the same pattern as in leviticus...

God is capable of creating things out of nothing...he could easily have created animal skins for adam and eve from nothing without having to kill and skin an animal...just like he could easily have provided the israelites with manna and quail by creating them from nothing instead of having to bake and crumble thousands of tons of bread and hatch millions of quail...

if the 'blood sacrifice' you are claiming happened -didn't actually happen- then it wouldn't be a picture of the crucifixion...your typological argument is circular...
 
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lol,,,take a highlighter,in gen. 10 it gives the sons,,,book at gen.11;10 ,,,two years after the flood so he was (98 when on ark),,and died when he was 600 years old,,,,,,,then add up the years given from their to Abraham (notice Shem was still alive when Abraham was alive?)
 
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oh and in case anyone needed any more facts showing that the claim that 'khufu was job who was joseph's nephew' is total anachronistic nonsense...

joseph would have brought his family to egypt during the reign of pharaoh senusret iii...he would have died during the reign of pharaoh sobekneferu...pharaoh khufu had already been dead for generations and his pyramid was already built...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
genesis 4 makes it clear that cain and abel brought offerings to God...those would have certainly been burnt offerings...though maybe not according to the same pattern as in leviticus...
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Back that one up.

RachelBibleStudent said:
God is capable of creating things out of nothing...he could easily have created animal skins for adam and eve from nothing without having to kill and skin an animal...just like he could easily have provided the israelites with manna and quail by creating them from nothing instead of having to bake and crumble thousands of tons of bread and hatch millions of quail...
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Yeah, I guess He could have, except that by the shedding of blood is the only remission of sin.
Do they even preach the Bible in your church?

RachelBibleStudent said:
if the 'blood sacrifice' you are claiming happened -didn't actually happen- then it wouldn't be a picture of the crucifixion...your typological argument is circular...
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More vain babblings.
 
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Huckleberry said:
It's what's known as "vain babblings".
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The only thing what I said has in common with vain babblings is that you don't understand either of them, anymore than you apparently understand what you put in the OP, or how accredited universtities conduct an education. In research, it is not a question of who is smarter, but who has checked their information.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
oh and in case anyone needed any more facts showing that the claim that 'khufu was job who was joseph's nephew' is total anachronistic nonsense...

joseph would have brought his family to egypt during the reign of pharaoh senusret iii...he would have died during the reign of pharaoh sobekneferu...pharaoh khufu had already been dead for generations and his pyramid was already built...
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Facts according to who?
You and the same people that brought us evolution as "science"?
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
the book of job places job's home in the land of uz...while genesis shows issachar and the rest of his family living in canaan before moving to egypt where they died...these are clearly not the same person...
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Clearly, Job moved. Not really a foreign concept. People do it all the time.
 
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kenisyes said:
The only thing what I said has in common with vain babblings is that you don't understand either of them, anymore than you apparently understand what you put in the OP, or how accredited universtities conduct an education. In research, it is not a question of who is smarter, but who has checked their information.
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I understand more than you might think.
I'm certain you're a super-smart man, but if you do research
using corrupted information, your findings will be corrupt.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Huckleberry said:
Back that one up.

Yeah, I guess He could have, except that by the shedding of blood is the only remission of sin.
Do they even preach the Bible in your church?


More vain babblings.
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i am pretty sure abel did not just drop a lamb chop on a rock and wait for God to beam it up...obviously it was a burnt offering...

there is nothing in the mention of God's provision of clothes in genesis 3:21 that implies that remission of sin was involved...in fact there is nothing -anywhere- in scripture that would imply that remission of sin had anything to do with God making clothes for adam and eve...

that is something you -assume- in your faulty circular reasoning...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Huckleberry said:
Facts according to who?
You and the same people that brought us evolution as "science"?
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facts according to people who have actually studied these issues...as opposed to your lazy method of ignorance plus google...
 
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