when will the rapture happen

[Trax]

So Shaul by way of the Holy Spirit wrote those Scriptures and Yahchanan (John) by the way of the Holy Spirit wrote Revelation, and they could not have been talking about the same thing.

John was given the visions, NOT Paul. John was not on Patmos and there was no book of Revelation
when Paul wrote to the people in Corinth. Paul spoke of something they already knew.
The time line don't fit. The promises of God don't fit. It is either correct or its not.
It just isn't fitting in with the rest of the Bible. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
You letting your pride get in the way of seeing the truth. People don't like to be wrong.
When I spent over 25 years of trying to figure it out and going through all the prophecy
packages and even building my own, I realized, it can't be figured out. There is NO WAY
humanly possible to figure it out correctly, with one's own intellect. We just can't see into
the future. There are only TWO options:

1. Make a guess
2. Be guided by the Spirit of God

When I came to that conclusion, the Holy Spirit then showed me. It wasn't just
an issue of, "oh, so that what it means...", but more of the Holy Spirit shoving it into
my head. It is something I wont forget. I also understand how the OT prophets knew
it was God speaking to them and not their own thoughts. If He dealt with them the way
He dealt with me, there would be no mistaking it. And it wasn't anything new, or major, or
complicated. He just pointed out what the Bible said. I felt like a fool because I never
saw it and wondered why no one else saw it, when it is clearly written out. That intellect
will lead you astray in a heart beat. You need to know the character of God, His promises
and rely of the Spirit, otherwise, you just pulling prophecy out of a hat.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

Many prophets prophesied Christ coming in different contects. I do not see why the same prophecy could not be repeated whether people understood it or not.

 

[Groovy_Dan]

Enough already.

As established - It is not ours to know - only the Lord God knows when the end of days will occur.

Are we know arguing weather we should or would stick our nose into the business of the Almighty??

We are to serve him, as his children, obedience guided by the Spirit. His concerns are not ours even though we are His concern.

Stop the squabbling over who quoted what and concentrate on serving the Lord Our God through Jesus in conjunction with the Spirit. Through working His will and walking his way - we need not fear the end of days.

For is it not FEAR that drives CURIOSITY?

Remember those words from the junior school song based on Isaiah: 43 1-5

"Do not be afraid, for I have redeemed you.
I have called you by your name;
you are mine.
When you walk through the waters ,
I'll be with you;
you will never sink beneath the waves.
When the fire is burning all around you,
you will never be consumed by the flames.
When the fear of loneliness is looming,
then remember I am at your side.
When you dwell in the exile of a stranger,
remember you are precious in my eyes.
You are mine,O my child,
I am your Father,
and I love you with a perfect love. "

Just about sums it up.

Whats said is here....dont; worry, keep your nose out and concentrate on whats important in your life with Jesus.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

So we could all be beheaded and God warned us but don't discuss that? Seriously?

 

[GRA]

That there is the rapture. The church isn't on the earth. That is why there are only 144,000 that are sealed
at that time, and why there aren't any Gentiles in the group. It is ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, not the church.

"That there is not the rapture. That there is what Revelation 7:14 describes as:"

"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Wrath of God => '7 vials' ( Revelation 16 ) -- no more and no less

The Great Tribulation is NOT the Wrath of God.

The church isn't on the earth because they have all been beheaded for not accepting the mark of the beast.

Yes - a part of Revelation prophesy is about Israel - but not all...

 

[jandian]

The wrath and the tribulation is not the same thing.

 

[nathan3]

I believe it will happen soon.

You would be better off calling it Christs return . That allows for more details then what the current modern day teaching allows you to look into with its rapture, teaching.

You can call it a rapture if you like, but Christ is gathering back here. And you want to ask yourself, what order does that happen. You naturally would want to know those details . They are fully written. Just take some time to read it ...
If you want detailed clear studies about this. Just write me here and I will send those to you.

 

[retro]

Isaiah 26.20

Come my people enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you
Hide there for a little while until the fury has passed by

 

[CoooCaw]

I believe it will happen soon.

2nd June 2031

tic tic tic

930am Jerusalem time

 

[GRA]

When Paul wrote that, the book of Revelation had NOT been given yet. You talking some 40 years
later before John is given the visions. Paul was refering to another trump. Otherwise, the people
of Corinth are going to be very confused for 40 years. Paul was refering to the OT in his teaching.
Something they would known about then. To say the last trump is the last trumpet in
Rev, well,...you putting the cart before the horse. You are making Paul refer to something that
hadn't been written yet. And that is another reason why that package isn't right.

Trax:

"40 years? That is nothing..."

What about all the people who have been "confused" for thousands of years while they wait for O.T. prophesy about the Second Coming of Christ - written long before the First Coming of Christ - to "play out"... ??? ( And, even now - it is still future... )

What about the prophesy of Daniel --- "closed up and sealed till the time of the end"... ??? How many people have been "confused" over that?

Do you think that there is anything in O.T. prophesy that people have not been able to understand perfectly and continually since it was given?

Do you think that God guarantees that someone will understand each and every prophetic utterance from the moment it is [ first ] given?

Do you think that there are any mysteries in the O.T. --- reserved to be revealed at a later time... ???

Do you not think that God had a perfectly good reason to have Revelation written at the specific time that it was written?

Do you realize that many things in history had to occur - "until the time was right" - just so that the message to the seven churches would be what it is?

"Something to think about..."

 

[GRA]

"That there is not the rapture."

"Let me re-phrase that..."

The point I was trying to make was that this was a post-tribulation scene.

 

[PlainWord]

Dear Trax,

When I came to that conclusion, the Holy Spirit then showed me. It wasn't just
an issue of, "oh, so that what it means...", but more of the Holy Spirit shoving it into
my head.

If you think the Holy Spirit is talking to you about a Rapture, I'd be careful because the HS does not lie. There is no Rapture of the Church as people view the Rapture. There is no Pre-Trib fly away with Christ coming on the clouds and gathering 10s of millions of Christians and air lifting them to heaven to sit up there and watch for 7 years. That idea is just foolish and there isn't one mention of such an event in the Bible. It is the concoction of man and/or Satan. So, there is no way the Holy Spirit is telling you this, so I would check carefully under your bed to see what kind of spirit is there. No offense intended but the truth despises lies.

Brother GRA has it right here...

"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Wrath of God => '7 vials' ( Revelation 16 ) -- no more and no less

The Great Tribulation is NOT the Wrath of God.

And partially right here:

The church isn't on the earth because they have all been beheaded for not accepting the mark of the beast.

A great deal of the "Church" will be beheaded but we know there will be a remnant so the use of the word "all" is probably wrong but I'm sure GRA is using that word for emphasis.

The church is clearly on earth during the tribulation because, as GRA pointed out, a multitude who COME OUT of the Great Tribulation is seen in heaven AND because of this verse:

Rev 12:

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The woman is the believing Children of Israel. The rest of "her offspring" is NOT the rest of Israel, rather it is the Gentile believers as they are the offspring of Christ.

Your Comment here Trax is wrong:

Paul was refering to another trump

Paul was given "the last trump" as a divine insight from God. He may not have known there were going to be 7 trumpets but Paul certainly understood the concept of the last trump from Joshua and Jewish tradition. Peter tells us clearly in 2 Peter 3 that Paul was given wisdom about these things.

15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

John was then 40 years later given Revelation, you are correct about that and when John teaches of the 7 trumpets and gives the description of the 7th trumpet, then Paul's teaching of the Last Trump suddenly becomes clear. Jesus himself spoke of a "Great sound of a trumpet" in Mat 24 so the trumpet concept preceded Paul's teaching. Taken all together, Jesus, Paul and John's prophetic lessons concerning the return of Christ, all are consistent and complimentary. All accounts discuss just one return of Christ and that return is "AFTER the Tribulation of those days" and "After the Man of Sin is revealed." If there were to be two returns of Christ a distinction would be required every time "a return" was discussed. No distinction is ever made. Whenever the timing is given for a return of Christ it is always AFTER the tribulation and NEVER BEFORE the tribulation.

We are not given the armor of Christ to use it as a jet suit and fly away. We are to protect ourselves from Satan's fiery darts. This will be especially true during the Tribulation when Satan himself is here and we are called before the Beast. At that time, the Holy Spirit will tell us what to say, just as he did in the days when the disciples were persecuted. The AD67-73 events that Jesus spoke of will repeat themselves very closely during the Great Tribulation. There was no "fly away" then and there won't be now. So watch and prepare!!

 

[PlainWord]

Enough already.

As established - It is not ours to know - only the Lord God knows when the end of days will occur.

Are we know arguing weather we should or would stick our nose into the business of the Almighty??

We are to serve him, as his children, obedience guided by the Spirit. His concerns are not ours even though we are His concern.

Stop the squabbling over who quoted what and concentrate on serving the Lord Our God through Jesus in conjunction with the Spirit. Through working His will and walking his way - we need not fear the end of days.

For is it not FEAR that drives CURIOSITY?

Remember those words from the junior school song based on Isaiah: 43 1-5

"Do not be afraid, for I have redeemed you.
I have called you by your name;
you are mine.
When you walk through the waters ,
I'll be with you;
you will never sink beneath the waves.
When the fire is burning all around you,
you will never be consumed by the flames.
When the fear of loneliness is looming,
then remember I am at your side.
When you dwell in the exile of a stranger,
remember you are precious in my eyes.
You are mine,O my child,
I am your Father,
and I love you with a perfect love. "

Just about sums it up.

Whats said is here....dont; worry, keep your nose out and concentrate on whats important in your life with Jesus.

I have to disagree with the bolded in red part of your statement Dan. That thinking is completely false and directly opposite to Jesus' own teaching.

Mat 24:

32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.

33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

We are instructed to LEARN and elsewhere to WATCH.

 

[john832]

Mine occurred about 1 year and a half ago. It has not bothered me much until lately. The doctor says he will repair it with a goretex patch and it will never tear out again in that area. We are talking about a medical condition here aren't we? After all, the false teaching of Francisco Ribera will not occur, it will only serve to deceive people about the second coming.

 

[Hizikyah]

I have to disagree with the bolded in red part of your statement Dan. That thinking is completely false and directly opposite to Jesus' own teaching.

Mat 24:

32 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.

33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors!

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

We are instructed to LEARN and elsewhere to WATCH.

Here is someone who takes what the Messiah says to heart.

Yahshua gives 3 parables that tell this same idea, just explained in different ways.

When I hear something 3 times I think: "this is important".

 

[WomanLovesTX]

That there is the rapture. The church isn't on the earth. That is why there are only 144,000 that are sealed
at that time, and why there aren't any Gentiles in the group. It is ALL ABOUT THE JEWS, not the church.

I see you have taken a lot of replies from this statement. I will add my two cents worth also.

The 144,000 are a listing of 12 tribes. One is Judah who are called Jews. One is Benjamin who are also "Jews". The Levites also were absorbed into "Jews". So that leaves 9 tribes listed that are not Jews.

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

You seem to have the church as not Israelites. The church is Israel and Israel is the church. No dispensation. However, here is something of great interest that shines a light in that darkness.

When Jacob blessed his two grandsons (sons of Joseph) he gave the younger son the greater blessing.

Gen 48:17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
Gen 48:18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
Gen 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
Gen 48:20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.

Note the phrase "a multitude of nations"........multitude Strong's #H4393 means FULNESS.
nations means Strong's 1471 and is GENTILES

Does the NT scripture speaking of the fulness of the Gentiles come to mind?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Now describing the temple in Revelation: Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

No where in OT or NT do we see the temple gates with assignment for the modern day church (being separated from Israel) to have a specific gate to enter through into the temple.

Christians and the church are Israelites.

For a deeper understanding of the "MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" that Jacob/Israel blessed Ephraim please read thread http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/70390-number-oe13a-united-states-we-lost-israel.html

 

[jb]

So God's Word bores you...

NO it doesn't, I find God's Word exciting!

However, what bores the pants off me, is it's wrong interpretation!

 

[resurrection33]

I believe it will happen soon.

It could happen any time.

 

[Linda70]

The rapture is imminent....it can happen at any time! Git right or git left!

 

[PlainWord]

The rapture is imminent....it can happen at any time! Git right or git left!

No it can NOT happen at any time. First, there is no rapture of the church before the tribulation. There is one return of Christ and that is AFTER the Anti-Christ is revealed. Man I feel like a broken record. Does anyone actually read the scriptures anymore or are they just content to accept the false teachings of man?