tithe

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Before WHAT?

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

And the word for Laws there is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

The tithe that Abram tithed was different than the tithe written in the Mosaic Law.

Abram's tithe was of the spoils of war, which included articles of clothing. (see Gen. 14) Under the Mosaic Law, God did not require tithes of the spoils of war... he required offerings of the spoils that amounted to far less than tithes. (see Num. 31)

 

[john832]

The tithe that Abram tithed was different than the tithe written in the Mosaic Law.

Abram's tithe was of the spoils of war, which included articles of clothing. (see Gen. 14) Under the Mosaic Law, God did not require tithes of the spoils of war... he required offerings of the spoils that amounted to far less than tithes. (see Num. 31)

Hmmm, same Law, the Torah. Me thinks you write your own interpretations.

 

[Hizikyah]

Tithing is for the work of Yahweh.

If it's not His truth it shouldnt be supported.

We are to give our first tenth to the work of Yahweh, that dosent mean we give it to some guy who is teaching half of the truth. In my view I could take my first tenth and buy sound translations of the Holy Scriptures and hand them out, or buy "Exodus Revealed" DVDs (proving real mt. Horeb (Sinai) and Read Sea crossing) and hand those out. (just examples) The first tenth of all your increse to further Yahweh's truth here on earth.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Hmmm, same Law, the Torah. Me thinks you write your own interpretations.

Not at all. Go read the account of Abram's tithe to Melchizedek (Gen. 14) and then go read what God required of the spoils of war under the Mosaic Law. (Numbers 31) You will find them remarkably different. God required far less of the spoils of war under the Mosaic Law.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Tithing is for the work of Yahweh.

If it's not His truth it shouldnt be supported.

We are to give our first tenth to the work of Yahweh, that dosent mean we give it to some guy who is teaching half of the truth. In my view I could take my first tenth and buy sound translations of the Holy Scriptures and hand them out, or buy "Exodus Revealed" DVDs (proving real mt. Horeb (Sinai) and Read Sea crossing) and hand those out. (just examples) The first tenth of all your increse to further Yahweh's truth here on earth.

The Word of God tells us the tithe has been cancelled. I have to go with the Word of God. To teach people otherwise is teaching rebellion and disobedience to God.

 

[Hizikyah]

The Word of God tells us the tithe has been cancelled. I have to go with the Word of God. To teach people otherwise is teaching rebellion and disobedience to God.

Show me the verse that says this.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Show me the verse that says this.

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
In the above passage, we find that tithing is an ordinance.


Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


The above verses reveal that the ordinances were abolished by Christ.

One might ask, "How is tithing enmity?" Good question!

2 Corinthians 3:7 reveal to us that the commandments were a ministration of death. We, who are Christ's have been brought into a new life... His life. The Law is at enmity with Grace. Grace liberates, the Law keeps in bondage. Christ set us free from the Law.

 

[Hizikyah]

So financially supporting the work of the Creator is "enmity and ministration of death.?"

YOU ARE CRAZY and clearlt your oppisition has not been abolished.

Mattithyah 5:17-18, "Do not even think gthat I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Has heaven and earth passed? Are all things perfected?

If you follow the Messiah you will believe and follow what He says.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity (most translation ADD "that is", look in your bible they are italicied words = added)the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice- -having killed the enmity through Himself."

The oppisition to the instruction of the Most High was abolished, not the instruction itself.

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Enmity =
Strong's Greek Lexicon

feminine of <2190>; hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition:-enmity, hatred.

If you think do not murder

do not steal

love Yahweh

love your neighbor

is = hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition:-enmity, hatred.

then wow, i dont even know what to say.

Translate it without the word "enmity" but the meaning of that word =

Having abolished in his flesh the hostility; by implication, a reason for opposition. the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

ABOLISHING YOUR REASON for opposition

 

[john832]

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
In the above passage, we find that tithing is an ordinance.


Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


The above verses reveal that the ordinances were abolished by Christ.

One might ask, "How is tithing enmity?" Good question!

2 Corinthians 3:7 reveal to us that the commandments were a ministration of death. We, who are Christ's have been brought into a new life... His life. The Law is at enmity with Grace. Grace liberates, the Law keeps in bondage. Christ set us free from the Law.

They were the administration of death because eternal life is not promised under the O.C. In fact this is a very true scripture...

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

The sacrifice of Christ was not given to them at the time. They only had a shadow (a schoolmaster) that looked forward to it. The Law cannot give life, it is simply the definition of sin...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

In fact, 100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfectly keeping the Law does not earn eternal life. It is teh free gift of God...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The faith that saves us is not even our own, it is the gift of God. Yet wilfull disobedience (a pattern of sinning without repentance) will bring death...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

The Law is not done away, grace is the free, unearned, undeserved forgiveness for breaking that Law.

 

[BeanieD]

"But I do know I've seen churches that are so luxurious it seems we ought to be ashamed. Think of the money that might have gone to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, support widows and orphans, provide health care, support missionaries, etc, etc, etc. "

Psychomom, I so totasly agree with this statement. Luxury is not really godly, and church buildings are not really necessary for growing the body of Christ. So much money spent on things that are unimportant instead o going where God wants it to go. I believe that tithing can be anything given for the good of others. Money, time, talents, energy, all of this is giving when done with right motives and is a blessing to others.

God bless

 

[john832]

Malachi 3:7-8 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
In the above passage, we find that tithing is an ordinance.


Ephesians 2:14-15 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


The above verses reveal that the ordinances were abolished by Christ.

One might ask, "How is tithing enmity?" Good question!

2 Corinthians 3:7 reveal to us that the commandments were a ministration of death. We, who are Christ's have been brought into a new life... His life. The Law is at enmity with Grace. Grace liberates, the Law keeps in bondage. Christ set us free from the Law.

Hmmm, so the Laws against murder, adultery, lying, etc are also abolished?

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you. even to the least written yoke of slavery you practice, you must practice all. If you disobey one, you disobey all and you are under the curse of GOD, who have justified in the Holy Bible for us to know.
So let us be not unwise but be wise knowing GOD's Word (JESUS the New Covenant builder) be as JESUS's spirit and truth witnesses for the present Kingdom of GOD, as it is written; "Sarah who represents the New Jerusalem of the free in Heaven" (written in the epistle to the church of Galatians).

 

[Linda70]

Hmmm, so the Laws against murder, adultery, lying, etc are also abolished?

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


The Mosaic Law was ordained to restrain unrighteousness (lawlessness):

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Freedom from the moral aspect of the Mosaic law does not involve freedom from the eternal, unchangeable, moral absolutes of God.

BTW, the Mosaic Law was an undivisible law (moral, ceremonial and social). Break one aspect of that Law, and you are "guilty of all"

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Peace be with you. even to the least written yoke of slavery you practice, you must practice all. If you disobey one, you disobey all and you are under the curse of GOD, who have justified in the Holy Bible for us to know.
So let us be not unwise but be wise knowing GOD's Word (JESUS the New Covenant builder) be as JESUS's spirit and truth witnesses for the present Kingdom of GOD, as it is written; "Sarah who represents the New Jerusalem of the free in Heaven" (written in the epistle to the church of Galatians).

Hello fredjames,
God's Word indeed does say that if one submits oneself to the Law one must keep the whole Law. God's Word also tells us that to teach others who are not Israelites that they are to keep the Law of Moses is to tempt God.

Some, in instructing others to keep the Law, are breaking the very Law they are trying to promote. The Law says, "Thou shalt not tempt the LORD thy God." Yet they tempt God by instructing others to keep the Law.

They offend in one point of the Law and are guilty of all the Law.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Law was added until the seed should come to whom the promise was made. That "seed" is Christ.

John records: John 1:10-12 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

That seed came to those He was promised to, yet they rejected Him. But those who rejected Him, were set free from the chains of the Law.

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

We are not to be brought under the Law. Paul told the Galatians that they were foolish for having allowed someone to bewitch them into believing they had to keep the Law of Moses after having begun in the Spirit. Only fools begin in the Spirit and then subject themselves to the Law. That is what Paul was teaching in Galatians 3.

And the Apostles rebuked the Jerusalem Council for attempting to put the newly saved Gentiles under the yoke of the Mosaic Law, telling them they were tempting God. They told the Council that only four necessary things were to be required of Gentile Believers. Tithing was not one of those "necessary things."

And the Holy Spirit agreed with the Apostle's decision at that Council.

 

[posthuman]

man was not made for the tithe, but the tithe was made & given to Israel. The Levitical code required much more than 10%. The early church gave much more than 10%, as much as all.

you have nothing that was not given to you. if you cannot give joyfully, perhaps you should not give at all. but what is it to give? you are only letting go of the false notion that it is "yours" to give. it is "yours" only to relinquish.

we are not bound by the "tithe" -- we are called to a much greater sacrifice. i don't pretend to live up to it, but i cannot deny that my heart longs to satisfy it.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

man was not made for the tithe, but the tithe was made & given to Israel. The Levitical code required much more than 10%. The early church gave much more than 10%, as much as all.

you have nothing that was not given to you. if you cannot give joyfully, perhaps you should not give at all. but what is it to give? you are only letting go of the false notion that it is "yours" to give. it is "yours" only to relinquish.

we are not bound by the "tithe" -- we are called to a much greater sacrifice. i don't pretend to live up to it, but i cannot deny that my heart longs to satisfy it.

While it is truth that we are not bound by the "tithe," and that we are called to a greater sacrifice, it is also truth that the money we have is indeed ours.

It is not a false notion to believe that it is ours at all. Notice the words Peter told Ananias:

Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

The fact is, while God owns everything, He still leaves room for that which He has given us as belonging to us. "Was it not thine own?" And when we sell something we own, we also have the ownership of the money we garner through its sale. "Was it not in thine own power?"

Sounds complicated. But if we acknowledge all that we have we have received of God, then we should be more than happy to give to the Lord's work when we see the need.

 

[HelenTn]

I am sad when reading this thread, the tithe or offering has described out how our heart is, i read this thread as i deciding too how much i will return to my Lord tommorrow,offering is talk abt faith and how our heart for God, where our money is, where our heart is, why we go and judge the one who willing to pay the tithe or even more than that? Just like the desciples who judgef Mary pour her annointment to annoint Jesus which is her whole life treasure she has. May God guard our hearts and mind.

 

[HelenTn]

I am sorry bro and sis, i posted emotionally just now after reading front pages, as whom the saints willing to be a pastor or leaders in the church they also offer tenth too from what they have, i am not sure about the other churches how big the building they have, but those who i know in real life, some of them are struggling for the ministry, for the gospel, sometimes they need to skip meals or medical treatment because of the Lord. may God bless our hearts.

 

[jahsoul]

You should read malachi

Funny that this got brought up. I did a complete reading of Malachi (not just 3:8) and God (through Malachi) was addressing the priest of the time.

My wife and I have been having this discussion for the past 3 month. I've never heard the true concept of Biblical tithing in church until I decided to research it for myself and my eyes were opened all the way. I can understand the reason behind not teaching it though; it throws a wrench into a lot of teachings regarding tithes today.

1. How pastors aren't Levite representatives
2. Why only things from the ground and field were required for the tithe.
3. Speaking about redeeming the tithe
4. Explaining the tithe where you go to a place where God designates and you enjoy your tithe
5. Explain how money could not replace the tithe of the ground and field because the Children of Israel was instructed to sell their tithe for silver if they could not carry it and then go to the place where God designated and then buy what they were going to bring.
6. Having to explain the poor tithe that occurs every 3 years.

I don't knock those who give tithes, because that is their decision and honestly, it doesn't affect their salvation, but I do inform people of the fallacy of it.