LOVE IS fULFILLING THE LAW OF GOD BUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU MAY IGNORE GOD'S LAW

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Yahdha (Jude 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Mattithyah 7:20, "Therefore, by their fruits you will know them."

Your false representation is too much, I can not continue in this at this time.

Well,that's a pretty passive aggressive way to avoid a conversation.

You should not post such verses about yourself. You are a little off theologically, but we all are in some way.

Please don't rough yourself up so much.... and.... don't hide behind scripture, say what you mean and who you mean it to.
 
A quote from the Rabbis/Pharisees in the Talmud:

"‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice,"

To sum it up they say they have the right to divine interpretation and even the Creator has to listen to them.

If you aren't saying the same, you are posturing the same. I see no difference in how you posture and what you accuse them of.

They made loophole laws to disregard Yahweh's Laws and made foolish laws the made it impossible to even keep Sabbath.
they almost always made laws to compound the issue, ADDING TO IT, not taking away or avoiding.

Mattithyah 15:3, "But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

I posted that thread thinking people would enjoy it because they could better understand the Pharisees and thus understand Yahshua's interactions with them. I promise you, most mis-interpret Yahshua's dealings with them thinking they kept Yahweh's Law, which they did not. Check that thread out, I would be surprised if you didnt better understand those dealings.

Well, perhaps there is a "debate" folder in this forum, where you and I can hash out our differences. In my experience neither side can escape such a chat without learning something. It can only be Good.

As long as we can honestly admit we know the other doesn't agree with us, and enter it to see what we can hash out.....
 
Originally quote by Hizikyah:And since I can not say what will happen even tomorrow, I have no say in my eternity. All I can do is hold fast to Yahweh, keep the faith in the work Yahshua did and strive for obedience to Yahweh's Laws...........

Yaaqob 4:13-17, "Come now, you who say: Today or tomorrow, we will go to such and such a city, and remain a year there to buy and sell, and make a profit. Yet you do not know what tomorrow may bring. For what is your life? Is it
not a vapor that appears for a little while, and then vanishes away? Instead, you ought to say: If it is Yahweh's will, and we are alive, we will do this or that. As it is, you are arrogant in your boasting; All such boasting is evil
. Therefore, to anyone who knows how to act righteously, but does not do it, it is sin."


Your response:

but sooner or later we have to make this personal.
not just repeating these verses


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i figured as much.
why did you edit my response when it got personal?

do you do what you know you should every day?
do you not do what you are commanded not to do everyday?

no need to answer.
people don't like to admit they sin.

turning to the Law for righteousness is the default position.
dangerous, but people continue to do it.

in spite of the clear New testament teaching that Christ died for NO REASON if you are righteous before God through the PEDAGOGUE.

folks who talk all day about the The Law are generally the biggest sinners - Paul warned against it.
 
I had told you I was done as this is unfruitful, however you contiued attempt to paste your slander over me is telling.

Of course there are times when I slip and sin, but Yahweh has changed me and I do not live the life I used to. I do not live a Lawless life any longer.

I think we all need to take the words of the Messiah to heart, you and me and all:

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

INIQUITY IS NOT BEING SUBJECT TO YAHWEH"S LAWS

Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

The Mystery of Iniquity seems to be very full in the earth right now.
 
If you aren't saying the same, you are posturing the same. I see no difference in how you posture and what you accuse them of.

they almost always made laws to compound the issue, ADDING TO IT, not taking away or avoiding.



Well, perhaps there is a "debate" folder in this forum, where you and I can hash out our differences. In my experience neither side can escape such a chat without learning something. It can only be Good.

As long as we can honestly admit we know the other doesn't agree with us, and enter it to see what we can hash out.....

"If you aren't saying the same, you are posturing the same. I see no difference in how you posture and what you accuse them of. "

How am I saying i dont listen to Yahweh, my main focus is oedience to yahweh.

This is crazy.

I am open to any reasoning as long as these false accusations dont fly, abd if you feel like its not false, I wold like you to show me where my words brought this accusation. Im not saying this with attitude, im serious.
 
they almost always made laws to compound the issue, ADDING TO IT, not taking away or avoiding

The reason I said they made loopholes, is ( 1 example) they had laws in which it was ok to vow falsely as long as they vowed on certian things. Thus making Yahweh's Law of no effect,

Leviticus 19:11-12, "You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name,
and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh."

They said as long as we dont use His name we can lie, pure evil.
 
THE LAW IS LOVE

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

If you disagree with this, you dont disagree with me, you disagree with the Scriptures.
 
I had told you I was done as this is unfruitful, however you contiued attempt to paste your slander over me is telling.

Of course there are times when I slip and sin, but Yahweh has changed me and I do not live the life I used to. I do not live a Lawless life any longer.

I think we all need to take the words of the Messiah to heart, you and me and all:

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

INIQUITY IS NOT BEING SUBJECT TO YAHWEH"S LAWS

Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

The Mystery of Iniquity seems to be very full in the earth right now.

Ok, so you admit that you still give into the temptations of the flesh?

You also admit that you are "still in the flesh", yes?
 
Ok, so you admit that you still give into the temptations of the flesh?

You also admit that you are "still in the flesh", yes?


Do I smell a sock puppet?

Are your intentions of Yahweh or of satan?

Have you been having fake arguments with your main profile?
 
THE LAW IS LOVE

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

If you disagree with this, you dont disagree with me, you disagree with the Scriptures.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and fnobserve His commandments.


You translation, literally changes the words. I'm not suggesting this one I posted, NASB is the only correct one, but you need to check that.

The point John is making is that you can tell who are children of God, because they will keep His commandments. NOT you can tell who is the child because they make themselves obey.

You can tell who has been in the pool because they are wet.

You can tell who had the most drinks because they are drunk.

John gives you a benchmark to determine who is a child of God.

He says if you are a child of God in chapter three, you will not continue to sin, IN FACT YOU CAN NOT SIN. The negative and the word for Sin mean can't commit a sin, not may not, doesn't want to, sometimes will, it's a negative.

If you claim to be a child of God, you deny John's direct words. UNLESS OF COURSE you change the and observe his commandments to "by keeping his laws".

It's hard to lose an argument when you adopt the role of God's editor.
 
ITS NOT JUST 10 COMMANDMENTS (or 9 to most)

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods (elohim) and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers

are these 3 against the 10 Commandments?

If it were only 10 (or 9 to most) why would Yahshua say these will not enter the kingdom.

Im done here.
 
Do I smell a sock puppet?

Are your intentions of Yahweh or of satan?

I don't presume to speak for God, unlike some. I seek the truth in the Word, to understand and execute his word. I don't use many alien words to posture as if I were more holy. I don't even presume to think I got it all correct. THAT IS WHY I express my views, to be corrected OR tested with objections.

Can you tell me the last time you were wrong in a theological discussion? I had to back down twice in my posts today because I was wrong.

I assume that no matter how I would answer that, if my comments didn't pat your back you'd state I was of Satan. That is because you seem to presume you are the Canon of all that is Godly.

And lastly, it's really hard to have an open conversation with someone who is always right and knows it all. :) All I can say is they better be right when they think they know it all, as they allow no one room to correct them, even if sent by God to guide them. :) Like John, the apostle Christ loved, when you change his words, and ignore other words, to make his teaching fit your theology, that shouldn't be a warning from me, but one from Him to stop posturing, stop presuming, admit you can be wrong, and listen to someone. There is probably a reason Zone is engaging you that is beyond his control. I'm quite sure you and he meet for a divine reason. Now, are you going to refuse God's angel/messenger, and thus miss his message, or dig into the conversation and try to determine what you are supposed to learn?
 
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and fnobserve His commandments.


You translation, literally changes the words. I'm not suggesting this one I posted, NASB is the only correct one, but you need to check that.
And your translation of love (agape G25) you made in another thread would have us raping the children of God. You fool.....who are you to correct others when you yourself speaks vulgarly?
 
And your translation of love (agape G25) you made in another thread would have us raping the children of God. You fool.....who are you to correct others when you yourself speaks vulgarly?

Fultz, you've officially lost your mind. It's not my translation of Agape. I told you and you deliberately chose to ignore that the word was used in the Septuagint, LXX for incestuous rape.

That was written over 2200 years ago, LONG BEFORE I COULD MANIPULATE IT.

You call me a fool, because you can't accept empirical facts that prove you wrong.

Dude, you are officially a trip, most likely a bad one.

This post, and calling me a fool was totally uncalled for.

understand before you lash out.
 
ITS NOT JUST 10 COMMANDMENTS (or 9 to most)

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods (elohim) and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers

are these 3 against the 10 Commandments?

If it were only 10 (or 9 to most) why would Yahshua say these will not enter the kingdom.

Im done here.

Ephesians 2
1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,2in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

4But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.


ALL GLORY TO GOD
 
Fultz, you've officially lost your mind. It's not my translation of Agape. I told you and you deliberately chose to ignore that the word was used in the Septuagint, LXX for incestuous rape.

That was written over 2200 years ago, LONG BEFORE I COULD MANIPULATE IT.

You call me a fool, because you can't accept empirical facts that prove you wrong.

Dude, you are officially a trip, most likely a bad one.

This post, and calling me a fool was totally uncalled for.

understand before you lash out.

And I say to you, show me where AGAPE (G25) was ever used for "rape" in the Septuagint. And I will show you where God is AGAPE. You are the fool to say that love means rape when it is said that God is Agape.
 
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And I say to you, show me where AGAPE (G25) was ever used for "rape" in the Septuagint. And I will show you where God is AGAPE. You are the fool to say that love means rape when it is said that God is Agape.

Shall you and I have a thread and talk about 2 Samuel 13?
 
And I say to you, show me where AGAPE (G25) was ever used for "rape" in the Septuagint. And I will show you where God is AGAPE. You are the fool to say that love means rape when it is said that God is Agape.


Look, Agape is a word. It has many uses. Like Sanctify. You can sanctify a piece of wood, a sandal, a bug, a horse, and man can be sanctified as well. When you see the word sanctify it does not mean man being sanctified every time in the salvific sense.

Same as FOOT. It doesn't always mean foot. It could mean foot as well. One is 12" and the other has five toes of varying lengths.


  • II. Tim. 4:10, For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved (agape) this present world
  • II Samuel 13 describes Amnon’s lust for his half-sister, which led him to rape. Verse 15 says afterwards, “he hated her more than he had loved her”, and the Greek translation of the Old Testament used agape to describe that “love”.



I'll do your laziness for you.

The word does NOT mean GOD'S LOVE. ALthough God is love. If you don't know what the word means you don't know what God is. Love describes God there, not identifies God. God is also lots of other words.... he is vicious, he is genocidal, he is just, and he is the cause of eternal pain. Each describes aan aspect of God. NONE are a one word description of him.

Now, you can do your homework, and look at all the ways Agape is used in and out of the Bible. What you will find, is every time it's an instance that is accompanied by an action, or an expected action. That is why it could be used to describe rape. That is why it's also used for sex between man and woman. God is more than sex between husband and wife isn't He? Well as you try to impose your crayola written meaning of the word, that is what He would be.

The word has many uses, that all share a common meaning. ANother example is GAY. There is a root to that word that covers all the different ways it is used.

You choose one way AGape is used, and try to use that one word and one use to identify all the others.

here's another one to drive the point home. In Europe if you burn a fag you may use a mint. In America if you do that, you'll serve life in prison if you are lucky.

I'm using the word for Semantic explanation ONLY. It's not a word I use, except with one friend who is gay as the day is long and he and I go at it hard for other's entertainment. AND Even then it's not really comfy....
 
Look, Agape is a word. It has many uses. Like Sanctify. You can sanctify a piece of wood, a sandal, a bug, a horse, and man can be sanctified as well. When you see the word sanctify it does not mean man being sanctified every time in the salvific sense.

Same as FOOT. It doesn't always mean foot. It could mean foot as well. One is 12" and the other has five toes of varying lengths.


  • II. Tim. 4:10, For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved (agape = esteemed) this present world
  • II Samuel 13 describes Amnon’s lust (love (esteem)) for his half-sister, which led him to rape. Verse 15 says afterwards, “he hated her more than he had loved her”, and the Greek translation of the Old Testament used agape to describe that “love” (I am sure there are some who esteem another and still would rape them. But, that does not mean rape (whatever adjective you wish to define it by)).



I'll do your laziness for you.

The word does NOT mean GOD'S LOVE (But He is so defined as Agape). ALthough God is love. If you don't know what the word means you don't know what God is (God so esteemed the Son, the world, we are to esteem God and others. It would seem that agape means to give value to something and by which, to cherish it). Love describes God there, not identifies God (1Jn 4:8 says that God is (to be, exist) Love. It is not spoken as a adjective, but as an absolute). God is also lots of other words.... he is vicious, he is genocidal, he is just, and he is the cause of eternal pain. Each describes aan aspect of God (now those words seems to be adjective, as oppose to "is, to be, to exist"). NONE are a one word description of him.

Now, you can do your homework, and look at all the ways Agape is used in and out of the Bible. What you will find, is every time it's an instance that is accompanied by an action, or an expected action. That is why it could be used to describe rape (if that is the case, SHOW me. I ask again, what verse use that word as rape. But of the 300 something instances I saw, it was always translated as love). That is why it's also used for sex between man and woman (show me). God is more than sex between husband and wife isn't He? Well as you try to impose your crayola written meaning of the word, that is what He would be. (again, show me..)

The word has many uses, that all share a common meaning. ANother example is GAY. There is a root to that word that covers all the different ways it is used.

You choose one way AGape is used, and try to use that one word and one use to identify all the others. (show me where agape is used as rape in Scripture)

here's another one to drive the point home. In Europe if you burn a fag you may use a mint (cigarette). In America if you do that, you'll serve life in prison if you are lucky.

I'm using the word for Semantic explanation ONLY (Since we are speaking Scripture and you said it was in the Greek Old Testament and I was not able to find it, then SHOW me). It's not a word I use, except with one friend who is gay as the day is long and he and I go at it hard for other's entertainment. AND Even then it's not really comfy....
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