Gen. 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Mr 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
During Noah’s life, a seven day period was used as a marker of time by God, (Gen. 7:4, 10). Noah also used a seven day period to determine how often he sent forth a dove from the ark, (Gen. 8:12-14). Incidentally, “Noah” in Hebrew, means “rest”.
This weekly cycle is seen again being demonstrated to the Israelites, after their generations of pagan influences and separation from their God, (Exo. 16:23). It is later written for them by God, (Exo. 20:8-11). In both instances, it’s clear this weekly cycle is only contained within the Sabbath command itself.
John 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 1:1 That which WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the WORD OF LIFE;
1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye HAD FROM THE BEGINNING. THE OLD COMMANDMENT IS THE WORD which ye have HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING.
1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING. If that which ye have HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, that we should love one another.
2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we HAD FROM THE BEGINNING, that we love one another.
2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, ye should
walk in it.
1. The Sabbath was instituted and on the Seventh Day(Gen2:2,3).
2. Specific offerings were given, or they would be rejected, long before Sinai or Israelite(Gen.4:5).
3. Murder was a not allowed, before Sinai or Israelite (Gen.4:13).
4. The separation of unclean and clean meats was already known, before Sinai or Israelite(Gen.7:1).
5. Adultery was considered a sin, before Sinai(Gen.39:9).
6. The Sabbath was called a law and a commandment, before Sinai(Exo.16:28*).
*[He also states; "My laws and commandments", the plural for both which tells us several things.]
a. There was more than one law and commandment established prior to this statement.
b. These laws and commandments existed before Sinai.
c. The 7th day Sabbath was included in them.
It says the new heavens and new earth. So unless you are seeing something else, this is after all is said and done, this is eternity.
Do you not see the irony in your comment, about the passage title that was written by the people who printed your Bible or the translator?
Col. 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col. 2:16 “Let no man therefore judge you…”
Col. 2:18 “Let no man beguile you…”
Col. 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col. 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using; after the commandments and doctrines of men?
6 times within an 18 verse span Paul reminds who these ordinances belong to. This gives us no doubt as to the common root of the heresy that Paul was dealing with, they were the worldly doctrines of men. He is contrasting the authority of Christ in all these matters, with that of mans. And in response you quote an uninspired man who labeled your passage. That's irony for you.
I am doing the same thing the passage is telling you, believe God's word about the Sabbath, not man's. I do find it funny that even though the chapter explicitly repeats to trust only God on these matters they use it to try and prove manmade doctrine.
If you don't wish to discuss point for point then perhaps refrain from posting so many blatantly inaccurate pieces of info before you have done the homework. Scripture is a serious subject.
if people are not observing all things in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them, what exactly are they doing?
why are you offering burnt offerings and sin offerings since Jesus came?
Leviticus 23:2
"Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
1 Chronicles 23:31
and whenever burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the Sabbaths, at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.
2 Chronicles 31:3
The king contributed from his own possessions for the morning and evening burnt offerings and for the burnt offerings on the Sabbaths, at the New Moons and at the appointed festivals as written in the Law of the LORD.
Nehemiah 10:33
for the bread set out on the table; for the regular grain offerings and burnt offerings; for the offerings on the Sabbaths, at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals; for the holy offerings; for sin offerings to make atonement for Israel; and for all the duties of the house of our God.
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Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology (by Elin)
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html < click
I appreciate you sticking up for me. But it is ok, I trust that if there is anything I say accurate the Holy Spirit in others will see it and encourage that person to seek out who is right or wrong. I try hard to use scripture to interpret scripture with as many references as i can find. I assume we all have a Bible, and that anyone will see for themselves what the truth is.
What I care least about people insulting me instead of talking, is that it gets me riled too. It makes me sad to get upset with brethren no matter how justified I may be.
how was that insulting? it wasn't meant to be. it's shocking to see the NT handled in this way.
you posted the "festival or a new moon or a Sabbath" passage by Paul in Colossians, and
unless i'm misunderstanding you - you say they are NT commands for christians.
Colossians 2
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.
but that would have him contradicting himself in Galatians, where the subject is
without question the gentiles being led astray (ANOTHER GOSPEL) - by those who
insisted they had to keep the Law of Moses:
Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10
You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
he is not anywhere telling those gentiles not turn back to the old pagan observances -
their problem was they were turning to the Law!
- "In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world"
- "how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years!"
Galatians 4:10 Commentaries: You observe days and months and seasons and years. < click
there is no question what Paul meant in Galatians.
so, that's why i originally asked:
if people are not observing all things in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them (specifically here - sabbaths), what exactly
are they doing?
and this was a rhetorical question, following logically from the assertion that Paul was commanding observance of sabbaths:
i.e: why are you offering burnt offerings and sin offerings since Jesus came?
...........
as for the connection with food:
Mark 7:19
For it doesn't go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Romans 14:3
The one who eats everything
must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything
must not judge the one who does,
for God has accepted them.
??
God bless each in their observances.
but please do not place
a yoke on the believers the Apostles said
they nor their fathers could bear
the Jerusalem Council settled this once and for all.
again - if ppl aren't observing those ordinances and laws
as they were given....what are they doing?
