sunday worship is it just tradition ?

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I was joking, to show how ridiculous this is. Jesus is my Sabbath I rest in Him, without Him there is no rest. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. What if I said, I will go to church on Tuesday. Would you condemn me for that? I know that it is instilled in us from what we have been taught to attend church either on Saturday or Sunday. I know Paul said"forsake not the assembly of yourselves especially in the last days. Because that brings encouragement and the Holy Spirit fills corporate praise ( most churches don't do that anyway, just say how good you are). Where is the focus or object of you faith, on a day or the day that Christ set you free from the power of sin. Whatever day that was. never focus on law nor commandment , but focus on Christ and Him crucified what else is can we do. Only accept and say thank you and not boast in a day. Amen
 
I was joking, to show how ridiculous this is. Jesus is my Sabbath I rest in Him, without Him there is no rest. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath. What if I said, I will go to church on Tuesday. Would you condemn me for that? I know that it is instilled in us from what we have been taught to attend church either on Saturday or Sunday. I know Paul said"forsake not the assembly of yourselves especially in the last days. Because that brings encouragement and the Holy Spirit fills corporate praise ( most churches don't do that anyway, just say how good you are). Where is the focus or object of you faith, on a day or the day that Christ set you free from the power of sin. Whatever day that was. never focus on law nor commandment , but focus on Christ and Him crucified what else is can we do. Only accept and say thank you and not boast in a day. Amen

I think it would be great to gather every day, however gathering and honoring Yahweh's Sabbaths are not the same. The Sabbath is 24hrs dedicated to Yahweh and nothing else. Instead of a 2 hour gathering Sabbath is a 24hr gathering!
 

I trust the word of God which clearly states " Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. Col. 2:16
This verse liberates us from the neo-judaizers who claim we must only worship on the Sabbath. We are free to worship on any day we wish.


 
Of cousre we are to walk in love continuously.

Sabbath we can not keep every day as people need to work for money to but food or work in a field to grow their food. The person does not keep Holy the 7th day adn them turn into a jackyl the rest (lol), no the Sabbath actually trains, and centers you, IT MADE BE have WAY better understanding of Yahweh and strengtheedn me in the Spirit to walk MORE like Yahweh wants all week.

And as far as resting in Yahshua (i assume?)

there are probably better verses than this for that topic but I really like this one:

Hebrews 12:2-3, "Looking to Yahshua, the first Who was led and cperfected by the faith, Who, for the joy that was set before Him: endured the sacrifice, despising The Shame; Bosheth and is set down at the right hand of the throne of
Yahweh! The Correction and Discipline of Yahweh For consider Him Who endured such opposition against Himself from sinners, so that you would not become weary, and faint in your minds."

He has reconciled us to Yahweh, and because of that the Spirit of Yahweh strengthens us!

Have I not rest in the Lord of Sabbath? Have I not rested from my works in Him? How can I work if I am at rest in Love? That is, how can the Lord of Sabbath hold me in two covenants if I walk in Love continuously? How can I work, if my sabbath is in the Lord of Sabbath?
 
Should have read the previous page. I posted this already. :)

Cutting it short and going straight to Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

The subject of eating is brought up twice in this chapter. It's sister passage can be found in 1Cor 8. The first time eating it is referring to meat sacrificed to idols and that some were confused and thought the meat became defiled by it being used in pagan sacrifice. But the second time it incorporates eating or not eating with the observance of particular days. No mention of the Sabbath whatsoever, The reason being is as new converts were entering to fold there was much confusion about what was done away with and what remained. Including feasting and fasting days, which is why the mention of eating and not eating on days were mentioned. Paul informs us that these feast and fasting days was up to the individual but no longer binding. Again no mention of the Sabbath or the ten commandments at all in this passage but people sure like to use it to explain why they don't need to keep the Sabbath.

Now as far as the subject goes about the confusion of what was done away with and what remained let's see what Hebrews was written for.

Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

So he is telling us that certain things were removed and certain things did indeed remain. And the purpose of this book is supposed to help us with that. So what does Hebrews say about the Sabbath?

Heb. 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


The word rest in verse 9 is mentioned in Strong's concordance;
"4520 σαββατισμός sabbatismos sab-bat-is-mos’

from a derivative of 4521; TDNT-7:34,989; {See TDNT 694} n m

AV-rest 1; 1

1) a keeping sabbath
2) the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians"

i did read this.

it's been dealt with for years on this forum.

"8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."

that's Joshua - not Jesus.
if Joshua had given them rest, then he would not have spoken of another day.

see Joshua 1; 11; 21; 22 etc..

Joshua 21
43So the LORD gave Israel all the land which He had sworn to give to their fathers, and they possessed it and lived in it. 44And the LORD gave them rest on every side, according to all that He had sworn to their fathers, and no one of all their enemies stood before them; the LORD gave all their enemies into their hand. 45Not one of the good promises which the LORD had made to the house of Israel failed; all came to pass.


Jesus Christ IS The Sabbath Rest - for all who enter in.

Millennialists don't believe this, because they're waiting for a dispensation that doesn't exist.
later:)
 
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I trust the word of God which clearly states " Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day. Col. 2:16
This verse liberates us from the neo-judaizers who claim we must only worship on the Sabbath. We are free to worship on any day we wish.



I have never heard any say ONLY worship on the Sabbath. None can worship 7 days a week like one does when honoring Sabbath's of Yahweh. throughout the week one has to work.

you quoted Col 2:16, lets look at 2:18

Colossians 2:18, "Let no man deprive you of your reward, actually doing it on purpose, but as though in humility of mind,
through a religious worship of gods intruding into things they do not know nor understand, being puffed up by their own carnal minds;"

This was about not letting people judge you for DOING these things. In Shaul's day men were persecuted for following Yahshua in truth, probably even much more after the destruction of Bayith Yahweh.

"intruding into things they do not know nor understand, being puffed up by their own carnal minds"

Romans 8:7-8, "Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

lol the carnal minded person CAN NOT GO 24hrs with complete focus on Yahweh and a COMPLETE removal of worldly things.

How is keeping Sabbath carnal? You are dedicating your day to Yahweh, for Yahweh's study, learning, fellowshipping, work, and His SPIRIT.

Exodus 31:13-14, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"
 
The works of your spiritual labor is in vain on this legalist.
If he cannot understand the spiritual context of the scriptures (Hebrews 4:4-11); how will he understand you?
 
The works of your spiritual labor is in vain on this legalist.
If he cannot understand the spiritual context of the scriptures (Hebrews 4:4-11); how will he understand you?

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in
Yahshua Messiah."

Ever head of the:

MYSTERY OF INIQUITY

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

THE MYSTERY OF LAWLESSNESS!

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
 
What IS the mystery of lawlessness?
-What did the pharisees practice?
- - What was the first sin?
- - - (Before any flesh.) - Need a hint?
 
I think it would be great to gather every day, however gathering and honoring Yahweh's Sabbaths are not the same. The Sabbath is 24hrs dedicated to Yahweh and nothing else. Instead of a 2 hour gathering Sabbath is a 24hr gathering!

I was wondering does saying Yahweh make you feel closer to God? I know thats the Hebrew name for the Father. Or does saying Yahshua make anyone closer or more Holy than another.What if I spoke swahili could I not be as close as you are because I do not know the Hebrew? Where is the focus or object of your faith? in you knowledge or tongue? what saved you your knowledge of the word Yahshua or the cross? But hey, whatever works for you is Okay with me as long as you realise that you are nothing without Christ. Amen
 
You posted for Rev. 14:12 - "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Here is the correct translation - "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
- "To love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength; and to love your neighbor as yourself; in these two rest all of the commandments of God"
 
I was wondering does saying Yahweh make you feel closer to God? I know thats the Hebrew name for the Father. Or does saying Yahshua make anyone closer or more Holy than another.What if I spoke swahili could I not be as close as you are because I do not know the Hebrew? Where is the focus or object of your faith? in you knowledge or tongue? what saved you your knowledge of the word Yahshua or the cross? But hey, whatever works for you is Okay with me as long as you realise that you are nothing without Christ. Amen

I know people automattically dislike me because I use His ACTUALL Name.

there was a reason why satan wanted the world to forget Yahweh's Name

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to eforget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."

Yahyl (Joel) 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

The catholic church killed millions of followers of Yahshua because they kept Sabbath and wouldnt accept Constantines new religion.
 
I was wondering does saying Yahweh make you feel closer to God? I know thats the Hebrew name for the Father. Or does saying Yahshua make anyone closer or more Holy than another.What if I spoke swahili could I not be as close as you are because I do not know the Hebrew? Where is the focus or object of your faith? in you knowledge or tongue? what saved you your knowledge of the word Yahshua or the cross? But hey, whatever works for you is Okay with me as long as you realise that you are nothing without Christ. Amen

God goes by many names. I call him Jesus. I pray in Jesus name and my prayers are heard and answered by Jesus.
 
I know people automattically dislike me because I use His ACTUALL Name.

there was a reason why satan wanted the world to forget Yahweh's Name

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to eforget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."

Yahyl (Joel) 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem hthere will be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

The catholic church killed millions of followers of Yahshua because they kept Sabbath and wouldnt accept Constantines new religion.

In case you haven't realised Catholicism is an ism and not Christianity. Although there are many Catholics who sincerely love God, they are taught the wrong thing. For instance find in the bible where it say's to pray to Mary or any other of their so called Saints. Or holding their relics as sacred?
 
You posted for Rev. 14:12 - "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Here is the correct translation - "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
- "To love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength; and to love your neighbor as yourself; in these two rest all of the commandments of God"

Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 5You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

First the "2 greatest Commandments were OT Laws (thus showing to Yahshua the words LAW/COMMANDMENT were interchangable, only in your mind are they not):

Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must dlove Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Leviticus 19:18, "Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Yahweh."

Second

On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets

That means if you break any of the Law you have broken one of these 2
, if you understood the Law you would know this.

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

the words of the Messiah:

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 
God goes by many names. I call him Jesus. I pray in Jesus name and my prayers are heard and answered by Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12, "Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israyl, that in the Name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, Whom you nailed on a stake, but Whom Yahweh raised from the dead--by Him does this man stand here before you, healed. This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner,Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Yahshua means Yahweh's Salvation.

I dont imply our prayers cant be heard, as I know 1st hand they can, the Spirit can translate our intent better than we, however, the Scriptures are clear and I enjoy

Yahchanan 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit Being ; and those who worship Him bmust worship Him in Spirit and in truth."
 
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In case you haven't realised Catholicism is an ism and not Christianity. Although there are many Catholics who sincerely love God, they are taught the wrong thing. For instance find in the bible where it say's to pray to Mary or any other of their so called Saints. Or holding their relics as sacred?

You missed the point :

The catholic church killed millions of followers of Yahshua because they kept Sabbath and wouldnt accept Constantines new religion.

alot of the modern world accepts many of constantines changes gladly, and think there is another reason why they exist, not all, but many of our fellow christian brothers and sisters.
 
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Legalist said first: the "2 greatest Commandments were OT Laws (thus showing to Yahshua the words LAW/COMMANDMENT were interchangable, only in your mind are they not):"


Now we get down to the principle.
What is in our minds.
To covet, to kill, to commit adultery all who do are guilty of these things IN THE MIND. (Matthew 5
)

Legalist said second: "That means if you break any of the Law you have broken one of these 2, if you understood the Law you would know this."

Read Jesus please. I know it, we all know it, He perfected it, He bought us with His life to show it.
- Stop being such a moron. For you discern nothing of the testament written in His blood.