A catty person, trying to set up some pot shots.
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You have a biblical fact that can't be refuted logically.
sunday worship is it just tradition ?
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A catty person, trying to set up some pot shots.
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You have a biblical fact that can't be refuted logically.
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danschance
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Yes, that "cure" is the bible and the Holy Spirit. Not a brain damaged false prophetess who never passed the third grade.
Oh really? Is that right? Are you sure?
What verse did God Command Adam to obey the Sabbath? Prove to me God commanded them to observe a Sabbath before Exodus 31:13-18. That should be simple to find if you are telling the truth.
Well, i fyou intended the words, to say what you said you meant for them to say in the last post, there is no sense talking to you about cattle when you think watermelons are cows.
SHOW me I was wrong. I've shown why I believe what I believe, show me wrong. I'll rescind my statement.
Sure Hitler did a good job of that. I'm assuming as HE took them as he read and understood it YOU approve of the holocaust. Let's go to a GNC and tie rocks to their legs and see if they float. If not they are witches.
Sure does. I'm all fo rwhat scripture says. You posted a buncha scriptures speaking against the law, in a thread about SABBATH, which most will claim is under the law. AND NOW YOU GOT THE BRASS ONES to tell me my interpretation of your purpose was wrong. AWESOME.
Now stop dodging, and prevaricating, and show me.
You are writing your own creed here, and ignore scripture that disagrees with you. As I said, mama must be proud being God's editor, knowing what to ignore and what not to ignore. AWESOME, we are lucky to have you here.
Yes, you are. Not only that, but after making your stand, now you try to say you were saying something else. That's hard to sell as truth, bub.
NOPE, I determined I didn't agree and I showed you why. YOU are the one refusing to show me MY error, instead you try to take pot shots at me and distract away from the scripture. What's that tellin' ya?
If you are so narcissistic that someone disagreeing you, seems to you they say you are wrong in a judgemental level, then why are you in a public discussion forum on a topic/faith, that everyone thinks everyone else is wrong then?
And I showed why I said that, did I not? You can cry about me saying it, and ignore it, thus leaving it unanswered, where some may assume you had no answer, or show me my error. What you have presented as an explanation so far, is non sensical.
You have lost it dude. You posted a dozen verses with how much comments to go with them? NONE. You deliberately left your random verses to be interpreted by people. I have this to work with, it's an argument about keeping the Sabbath "law" vs keeping the Sabbath DAY.
Your verses put down the law.
What is the ONLY FLIPPIN logical conclusion here? It's not judgement, it's working with what you left me to draw a conclusion. You had a purpose to the post or you would not have made it. YOU DID NOT declare the purpose, nor a position. AND EVEN IF YOU HAD, if I disagree and debate it, doesn't mean I'm declaring you wrong, it means I don't agree. The debate, if it were a competition would determine a winner. But a discussion takes opposing sides and tries to mesh them together to get a better conclusion than either side began with.
YOU are the one screaming and crying that I dont' agree. SO FINE SHOW ME I AM WRONG!!!! DISCUSS, EXPLAIN HOW THOSE VERSES HAVE ANYTHING IN GOD'S GREEN AND BLUE EARTH TO DO WITH "everyone can interpret their own meaning. Hitler excelled at that. Is he a hero of yours?
Dude, IF you can grow up and deal with the discussions, instead of trying to throw crap at me to see what sticks because I interpreted your UNSTATED reason for those random verses, then do so.
If not, I'm writing you off as pure prevarication and someone trying to avoid defending something they can't defend.
I don't really care. It's obvious you are not one to discuss with, unless I'm going to pat your back and praise you. Narcissism is a tough row to hoe.
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danschance
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Show me where in the New Testament where gentiles under the New Covenant are commanded to keep the Sabbath Holy? Surely one single verse saying this must exist? If it is so important, maybe there are 17 verses and examples of a gentile, such as me would be commanded by God to keep the Sabbath Holy??!!
It starts with not presuming you are right. ANYONE can claim and believe the Spirit of God gives them divine information. The only way to test it is with scripture. I've done that all through the thread. DO you want to stay personal or talk shop?
Genesis 2 I've put it in the thread already. MORE than once. In fact I have a long post on it. Scroll back and read, if you can stop knowing it all long enough to consider.
NEXT?
Show me in the bible where ADAM was anything BUT a Gentile.
There were no such things as JEWS until Israel had sons and one of THEM had sons. :|
What is evident here is this....
Those few who hold to a seventh day sabbath have dug into the scripture and use it for their reasoning.
Most of those who don't, do so from emotions and parroted comments that have been inherited by them from those before them. They are also the ones who decline to defend, with scripture their arguments if we don't accept them. Instead they go personal.
ANd they would claim to be the "True Christian' here, I presume, since I'm evil and "keep the law" in their eyes.
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I gotta tell you, I"m SOOO impresssed.
Is there a problem with sticking to the arguments, and the thinking and the scripture, rather than going personal? I've pointed out it was happening and nothing happened. I've moved on to mirroring that behavior back at people? And nothing happens. Is that the best there is here?
Those few who hold to a seventh day sabbath have dug into the scripture and use it for their reasoning.
Most of those who don't, do so from emotions and parroted comments that have been inherited by them from those before them. They are also the ones who decline to defend, with scripture their arguments if we don't accept them. Instead they go personal.
ANd they would claim to be the "True Christian' here, I presume, since I'm evil and "keep the law" in their eyes.
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I gotta tell you, I"m SOOO impresssed.
Is there a problem with sticking to the arguments, and the thinking and the scripture, rather than going personal? I've pointed out it was happening and nothing happened. I've moved on to mirroring that behavior back at people? And nothing happens. Is that the best there is here?
Lets say you find a doctrine that says the following verse has nothing to do with keeping Sabbath, you can not prove anything with a double negative, the NT dosent tell us not to have "relations" with animals, yet we know this is still forbidden. So it would be a false argument to say well it dosent say not to, so its ok. In my view this is similar.
Hebrews 4:3-6, "However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the
Seventh Day, in this way: And Yahweh rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will
enter into My brest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,"
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danschance
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OH! So the Sabbath is God's birthday?---WOW, He get 52 Birthdays a year!
...I thought that is what Christmas was about. Hmmm...
Oh so I have no clue what Col. 2;16 is saying? Well lets see if we can put our thinking caps on a fig'r it out.
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Oh for Pete's sake! Look what those evil King James Translators did to your precious passage! ( I need a minute to compose myself.)---They inserted the word DAY to make is say the exact opposite of what you are claiming!!!!!!
Well, lets just forget all about that evil Vatican lie and dissect this.
Well that scripture above is tied in with Strong's exhaustive concordance. So I encourage you to look it up and make sure I am not stretching things. Looks like your argument is purely a matter of your imagination and/or ignorance. The Greek word for Sabbath is "Sabbaton" and can be translated as Sabbath day. Looks like you are fresh out of ammo.
From my limited understanding, astronomiclly the day can be figured out.
Yahweh gave us these for this purpose:
Genesis 1:14, "And Yahweh said: Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark the Sacred times (Feasts), and for days and years."
LOL not to tell us our "horoscope" (i had to mention as many get these confused)
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danschance
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Your post doesn't make any sense to me. I have no clue what you are claiming. It seems like you are spinning a story about how the biggest fish got away just before you pulled him into the boat. It is clear that, whatever you are trying to prove, you are reaching hard for it.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. note
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. This in the new kingdom
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. note
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. This in the new kingdom
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danschance
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I doubt they can be determined from astronomy as the name of a day is purely arbitrary. The Winter and Summer Soltices and the Spring and Fall equinoxes can be determined astronomically.
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danschance
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By the way, why are you inserting Hebrew names into the Greek scriptures? That seems dishonest and confusing.
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Kerry
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Because they somehow feel that using the Hebrew name makes them more holy and closer to God than those who don't. It showcases their intelligence and negates the cross. In other words it appeals to the flesh.
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danschance
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To me it seems like they are trifling with the Word of God, deleting some names and adding Hebrew names that never appeared in the Greek texts. The Jehovah's Witnesses do the same thing. The willy nilly insert the name Jehovah all over the New Testament with little care or concern.