Christians in Egypt

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4 days ago Egypt was in route to Outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood...

Pray for everyone in Egypt... Not just the Christians...
 
True but the Muslims that the Obama Administration is backing are tearing Christians up.

4 days ago Egypt was in route to Outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood...

Pray for everyone in Egypt... Not just the Christians...
 
I live in Egypt. There has always been tension between muslims and coptic christian in egypt even before muslim brotherhood came in the picture. The copts here are used to being presecuted. Still what is currently happening is very disturbing.

I have a lot of respect for the copts here. They have a very strong faith and they trully are applying "the turning the other cheek teaching" by not counter attacking the muslims. Majority of the copts here are low to middle class people, so they can't afford to just flee the country. They have no option but to pray and endure the situation.

Very sad...all for the sake of politics...
 
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Muslim flash mobs attacking Christian Churches in Egypt. Liberal media refuses to cover what's happening.

Egyptian Muslims attack a Coptic church and topple a cross as President Morsi's supporters blame Christians for his downfall


  • New video shows attack on church in Sohag diocese, southern Egypt
  • Muslim Brotherhood supporters blame Egypt's ten per cent Christian population for ousting of president
  • Christians say violent attacks on Coptic churches commonplace since Morsi's downfall on July 3


Read more: Egypt: Muslim gang attacks Coptic church after President Mohammed Morsi ousted | Mail Online

[video=youtube_share;lnv0jOMxTr8]http://youtu.be/lnv0jOMxTr8[/video]
 
I live in Egypt. There has always been tension between muslims and coptic christian in egypt even before muslim brotherhood came in the picture. The copts here are used to being presecuted. Still what is currently happening is very disturbing.

I have a lot of respect for the copts here. They have a very strong faith and they trully are applying "the turning the other cheek teaching" by not counter attacking the muslims. Majority of the copts here are low to middle class people, so they can't afford to just flee the country. They have no option but to pray and endure the situation.

Very sad...all for the sake of politics...

no surprise. somebody from the 7th century had started it.
 
it may seem petty,

but i've been praying the Egyptian soccer team will make it to the world cup.

seems like the one thing all Egyptians can agree on, and Egypt as a country, i think, really needs something to agree on.
 
it may seem petty,

but i've been praying the Egyptian soccer team will make it to the world cup.

seems like the one thing all Egyptians can agree on, and Egypt as a country, i think, really needs something to agree on.
i hoped there will be no more brawl instigated like happened last year (if you remember the brawl which took more than 70 lives).
 
it is also so irritating that here in the U.S. most of the media ignores the Christian situation. but now let it be Christians attacking muslims and it would be all over the news every hour of every day.
 
it is also so irritating that here in the U.S. most of the media ignores the Christian situation. but now let it be Christians attacking muslims and it would be all over the news every hour of every day.
Christianity never teaches to attack. So you might want to reconsider the usage of the term 'christian'.
When Peter stroke the soldier's ear (who was gonna arrest Jesus), what did Jesus say?
 
You might remember when Morsi was deposed, the Egyptian military discovered a treasure trove of documents linking the Obama regime with the illegal activities of the Muslim Brotherhood including funding them with billions and Obama's half brother being linked as well. It is reported they were openly crucifying Christians.

Well now the Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters are forcing some Coptic Christians in Egypt to pay a steep jizya tax and if they can't pay it because they don't have enough money they are being assaulted with their wives and children sometimes being kidnapped and presumed to be sold into slavery. And this isn’t just happening in Egypt now but also Syria and Iraq.

Brotherhood imposes Jizya tribute on Egypt’s Christians

As Syria's war rages, region's Christians hold their breath - CSMonitor.com

The Mass Exodus of Christians from the Muslim World | Raymond Ibrahim
Syria's most powerful rebel group formally pledged allegiance to al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri. The al-Nusra group, the strongest extremist movement in Syria, issued a statement of support for the al Qaeda terror network.

Syria's rebel army pledges allegiance to Al Qaeda as new Islamist insurgence threatens dictator Assad | Mail Online

Now I read that U.S. authorities are hunting down members of the U.S. military that appeared in uniform holding placards stating they didn't join the U.S. military to fight on the side of Al Qaeda against Christians.

Troops Are Posting Photos In Protest Of Syrian Intervention - Business Insider
 
You might remember when Morsi was deposed, the Egyptian military discovered a treasure trove of documents linking the Obama regime with the illegal activities of the Muslim Brotherhood including funding them with billions and Obama's half brother being linked as well. It is reported they were openly crucifying Christians.

Well now the Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters are forcing some Coptic Christians in Egypt to pay a steep jizya tax and if they can't pay it because they don't have enough money they are being assaulted with their wives and children sometimes being kidnapped and presumed to be sold into slavery. And this isn’t just happening in Egypt now but also Syria and Iraq.

Brotherhood imposes Jizya tribute on Egypt’s Christians

As Syria's war rages, region's Christians hold their breath - CSMonitor.com

The Mass Exodus of Christians from the Muslim World | Raymond Ibrahim
Syria's most powerful rebel group formally pledged allegiance to al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri. The al-Nusra group, the strongest extremist movement in Syria, issued a statement of support for the al Qaeda terror network.

Syria's rebel army pledges allegiance to Al Qaeda as new Islamist insurgence threatens dictator Assad | Mail Online

Now I read that U.S. authorities are hunting down members of the U.S. military that appeared in uniform holding placards stating they didn't join the U.S. military to fight on the side of Al Qaeda against Christians.

Troops Are Posting Photos In Protest Of Syrian Intervention - Business Insider

Jizya is not a tax actually. It is more correct to be classified as penalty. Muslims don't pay jizya.
Jizya is what required by allah at its best, and its only available to the Jews and Christians (sorry for atheists, hindus, buddhists, etc lol)
Jizya is commanded in sura 9:28-30. Unfortunately, sura 9 is the second last revealed chapter by allah to muhammad (113th).
 
Jizya is not a tax actually. It is more correct to be classified as penalty. Muslims don't pay jizya.
Jizya is what required by allah at its best, and its only available to the Jews and Christians (sorry for atheists, hindus, buddhists, etc lol)
Jizya is commanded in sura 9:28-30. Unfortunately, sura 9 is the second last revealed chapter by allah to muhammad (113th).

Big L why are you always about misinformation ? :)

Muslims pays Zakat. It is a compulsory 2.5 % tax on your wealth. Non Muslims pay Jizya which is the Zakat equivalent.

Concerning Surah 9:28-30. What happens in the US if you do not pay your tax ?
 
In the U.S., the government doesn't charge a religious tax upon its populace. People do get charged income and sales taxes; however, if they aren't paid the government doesn't show up to your house and beat you within an inch of your life and then drag off your wife and a couple of your kids to sell into slavery to cover the back tax.

But Muslims in some parts of the Middle East do that to Christians and that's a violation of their basic human rights in the EXTREME.

Big L why are you always about misinformation ? :)

Muslims pays Zakat. It is a compulsory 2.5 % tax on your wealth. Non Muslims pay Jizya which is the Zakat equivalent.

Concerning Surah 9:28-30. What happens in the US if you do not pay your tax ?
 
In the U.S., the government doesn't charge a religious tax upon its populace. People do get charged income and sales taxes; however, if they aren't paid the government doesn't show up to your house and beat you within an inch of your life and then drag off your wife and a couple of your kids to sell into slavery to cover the back tax.

But Muslims in some parts of the Middle East do that to Christians and that's a violation of their basic human rights in the EXTREME.

Hi AOK

What the Egyptians are doing is wrong. They do not represent Islam as the Spanish Inquisition did not represent Christianity.
 
Big L why are you always about misinformation ? :)

Muslims pays Zakat. It is a compulsory 2.5 % tax on your wealth. Non Muslims pay Jizya which is the Zakat equivalent.

Concerning Surah 9:28-30. What happens in the US if you do not pay your tax ?
Tell me which of what I said was mis information. It is you, drett, who are, denying the fact that Islam has been, and will always be spread by violence. Tell me, which of sura 9 did you find peaceful? And I would like to remind you, in case you haven't read what I posted, sura 9 is the second last revelation given to muhammad. Let's read sura 2:106
[2:106]
Nothing of our revelation (even a single verse) do we abrogate or cause be forgotten, but we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things ?
The tafsir of Ibn Abbas:
Then Allah mentions what was abrogated of the Qur'an and that which was not abrogated, as a direct reference to the claim of the Quraysh who said to the Prophet: O Muhammad! Why do you command us to do something and then forbid it, saying: (Such of Our revelations as We abrogate) We do not erase a verse that was acted upon before and which is now not acted upon (or cause to be forgotten) or leave unabrogated so that it is acted upon, (We bring one better) We send Gabriel with that which more profitable and easier to act upon (or the like) in reward, benefit and action. (Knowest thou not) O Muhammad (that Allah is Able to do all things?) of the abrogated and unabrogated.
So there is no contradiction in the quran, but the later verses are better and more profitable than the earlier. Your imam didn't let you know that, did he?

Let's read the tafsir sura 9:28-30 (wonder what anything have to do with the US, who cares about US)
28 (O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean) impure. (So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship) for pilgrimage and circumambulation (after this their year) the year of freedom from obligation (bara'ah) after the day of immolation. (If ye fear poverty) impoverishment and neediness (Allah shall preserve you of His bounty) of His provision in another way (if He will) when He wills and will make you dispense with trading with Bakr Ibn Wa'il. (Lo! Allah is Knower) of your sustenance, (Wise) in that which He has ordained for you.
# actually the word unclean in arabic was najs, more correctly to be translated as filthy.

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(Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture) the Jews and Christians (as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day) nor in the bliss of Paradise, (and forbid not) in the Torah (that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth) do not submit themselves to Allah through confession of Allah's divine Oneness, (until they pay the tribute readily) standing: from hand to hand, (being brought low) abased.
# what kind of tribute/tax that is being forced to? and the payer have to be brought low and abased when paying it? lol it's clear that jizya is a penalty for not following Islam. So FIGHT them until they pay, convert to Islam, or if they can't pay and don't want to convert, kill.

30 [FONT=Tahoma, Verdana](And the Jews) the Jews of Medina (say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths) with their tongues. (They [/FONT]imitate[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana] the saying of [/FONT]those[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana] who disbelieved of old) [/FONT]before them[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana], i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca who said that al-Lat, al-'Uzza and Manat were His daughters, just as the [/FONT]Jews claimed that Ezra was the son of Allah and some of the Christians claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana], [/FONT]others that he was Allah's partner while there were others who said that he was Allah Himself or one god among three[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana]. ([/FONT]Allah (Himself) fights against them[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana]) [/FONT]Allah curses them[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana]. (How [/FONT]perverse[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana] are they!) from where do they get their lies?[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana]# You see now why I hate Islam? It's actually allah and muhammad who hated me first. lol Here we see how allah falsely accuse the Jews to take Uzair as the son of Allah. also to be noticed how all denominations of Christians are adressed as well. the rest of it are very clear i guess.[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana]Now when you, drett, the one who don't speak nor understand nor read arabic accuse your Egyptian brothers (who speak and read arabic from the first years of their life) as wrong, i can assume either you have been lied by your imam or anybody who led you to convert or you yourself know about these stuffs but playing hypocrisy in this website and trying to participate in the deception.

Whichever you are though, I'll pray for you, like I have done to all my muslim friends, so that Jesus' grace would be poured upon you, like He did to me. So that you will quit this death religion and enter life through the author of life Himself, the Word of God, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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Hi AOK

What the Egyptians are doing is wrong. They do not represent Islam as the Spanish Inquisition did not represent Christianity.
After reading my post, are you gonna say that ALLAH doesn't represent Islam? lol