Attack of the seventh day adventists

[GOI]

[h=3]Genesis 2[/h]King James Version (KJV)

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

the sabbath day was created and setup by God there was no denomination nor race of people created.

there was only the man Adam and woman Eve

man kind kept the sabbath

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

the Old covenant is the same as the New covenant

The Sabbath day is put into our minds and not to be put door post or worn as fringes
Hebrews 8
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

That prophecy employs figurative language to describe the indwelling holy spirit. The holy spirit doesn't teach us to observe days and times, but to love and have faith.

But now knowing God, yet rather being known by God, how are you turning back again to the weak and poor elements to which you are willing to be slaving again? You carefully observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest perhaps I have labored for you in vain! Galatians 4:9-11
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[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Genesis 2
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

the sabbath day was created and setup by God there was no denomination nor race of people created.

there was only the man Adam and woman Eve

man kind kept the sabbath

The seventh day of creation is not the same thing as the weekly sabbath. The latter memorialized the former so that the children of Israel would remember to look to GOD, their sanctifier.

 

[GOI]

The seventh day of creation is not the same thing as the weekly sabbath. The latter memorialized the former so that the children of Israel would remember to look to GOD, their sanctifier.

where is this written?

God rested on the seventh day of the week, after he worked 6 days. God even numbered the first days of the week

first day
second day
third day
fourth day
fifth day
sixth day

and when he got tot he seventh day he separated it named it the Sabbath

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made
[h=3]Exodus 20:9-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

the people are to do the same thing the Lord did at the creation

work six day
rest the seventh day

Exodus 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

 

[GOI]

That prophecy employs figurative language to describe the indwelling holy spirit. The holy spirit doesn't teach us to observe days and times, but to love and have faith.

But now knowing God, yet rather being known by God, how are you turning back again to the weak and poor elements to which you are willing to be slaving again? You carefully observe days and months and seasons and years. I am afraid for you, lest perhaps I have labored for you in vain! Galatians 4:9-11
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tell me what did the Galatians know about Jesus and his words?

these gentiles were observing every thing under the sun except what Jesus commanded man to do.

when I say man I'm referring all of man kind men like Noah who obeyed the dietary laws and Abraham who kept God's laws statutes and commandments

 

[WeStand]

ATTACK ALL Religions at this time THERE OVER! CHRIST! should be ones banner & NOTHING else.

And Christ's Banner IS, YAHAVEH. The Creator of Life & The Source of LOVE!

It's like people have no shame or humbleness. The title of this thread and many, many others are SOOOO! instead-of-Christ (anti-Christ)

I can just see it so clear; when Christ returns and barely anybody knows The Father's Holy name, and its NOT Yahaweh or how ever you spell that false name.

What choice will he have except to send you to grade 2.

 

[Josh321]

lol it's funny how people can't get pass the old testament their bible starts at genesis and ends at exodus

 

[WeStand]

lol it's funny how people can't get pass the old testament their bible starts at genesis and ends at exodus

For your own information, Genesis IS the strong foundation in Christ. Its Our Father's History and prophesy of Messiah/Christ.

Exodus IS the way out for ALL of us; The WHOLE book.

Actually one would have to be braindead to not know that there are 64 more books of truth, proving what was stated in Genesis.

LOL, its funny how very few people even care about Our Father's spoken and written Word, and believe that they are saved.

EVERYONE, even the fallen angels are going to grade 2, The Lord's Day, wonder if they will be teaching or still learning about why Our Father is still SOoooooo _____ off.

 

[Josh321]

For your own information, Genesis IS the strong foundation in Christ. Its Our Father's History and prophesy of Messiah/Christ.

Exodus IS the way out for ALL of us; The WHOLE book.

Actually one would have to be braindead to not know that there are 64 more books of truth, proving what was stated in Genesis.

LOL, its funny how very few people even care about Our Father's spoken and written Word, and believe that they are saved.

EVERYONE, even the fallen angels are going to grade 2, The Lord's Day, wonder if they will be teaching or still learning about why Our Father is still SOoooooo _____ off.

ok you do care about the spoken word show me by scriptures want doctrine we suppose to have now ok?

 

[Josh321]

if you really do care you would actually care

 

[WeStand]

ok you do care about the spoken word show me by scriptures want doctrine we suppose to have now ok?

What is there to show? There are no new doctrines, just a New Testament, of how to contact The Father; But most ALL of Exodus still apply's.

 

[Josh321]

What is there to show? There are no new doctrines, just a New Testament, of how to contact The Father; But most ALL of Exodus still apply's.

since you told few people even care about the spoken word, i will try to explain to you in hopes that your're actually reasonable person, Romans 2:14King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

now this word we gotta look at here is nature, what is it trying to say? because we are born in sin OUR nature is to do the things which lead to death we cannot help it, that is to kill, steal, etc all the stuff in the 10 commandments,
Romans 7:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.


you see that? the law brought about that we are in sin and cannot be freed from this bondage of doing the things contained in the law, examples of being slaves to sin and can't help but do the things which lead to death because by nature we do them

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

my best friend is an adventist, he came to me a few months back asking how i changed and he need help too, because he was addicted to sex and alcohol, now tell me this brother how can you teach people to follow a law when by nature we do the things contained in the law? and cannot help it because WE ARE BORN IN SIN, that is why we must be born again so we can become a new creature, the old nature of ourselves MUST die, i see so many young people just caught up in lust it's impossible to follow the 10 commandments since we do by nature the things contained in it, i myself was like them before i was saved use to go out partying, drinking smoking just enjoying a lustful life, it's just wrong man.. to teach something we can't follow instead of TELLING PEOPLE THE TRUTH on HOW TO BE SAVED AND HOW WE CAN TRULY FOLLOW GOD

[h=3]John 3:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO GET RID OF OUR OLD NATURE.

then what comes after that?



[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

 

[Josh321]

it's just wrong to lead people away like that...some of you say but how can i kill someone? you wouldn't but your anger would in the flesh if your not born again, because that is in the nature of the flesh if someone pushes you too far you won't be able to help it i've seen this so many times humble people just suddenly a burst of anger and violence but it's in the nature of the flesh that's why we need to get rid of it [h=3]Galatians 5:19-21 ESV / 12 helpful votes[/h]Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Blackson]

It would great if more people would try to make the distinction you've made here about where us "Sabbatarians" put our source of salvation BEFORE they go off on how legalist and heretical we all are. Sure, there are some out there who have an improper balance of Law and Salvation, but it's my experience that most have their salvation grounded in the right thing, grace. The Sabbath comes after that.

Great post. Great Conclusion.

I am an orthodox pentecostal, and i regard all days to be equally holy. However, out of all these holy days, i choose to gather with brethren for worship on Sunday, the day of the Lord's resurrection. I have no regrets for that. I also do not have any problem with the Sabbatians for keweping Saturday a holy day. The only problem is if one of us judges the other basing on the day.
We should first understand that the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost, not in the holy day, because each day is holy.

 

[WeStand]

since you told few people even care about the spoken word, i will try to explain to you in hopes that your're actually reasonable person, Romans 2:14King James Version (KJV)
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

now this word we gotta look at here is nature, what is it trying to say? because we are born in sin OUR nature is to do the things which lead to death we cannot help it, that is to kill, steal, etc all the stuff in the 10 commandments,
Romans 7:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.


you see that? the law brought about that we are in sin and cannot be freed from this bondage of doing the things contained in the law, examples of being slaves to sin and can't help but do the things which lead to death because by nature we do them

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

my best friend is an adventist, he came to me a few months back asking how i changed and he need help too, because he was addicted to sex and alcohol, now tell me this brother how can you teach people to follow a law when by nature we do the things contained in the law? and cannot help it because WE ARE BORN IN SIN, that is why we must be born again so we can become a new creature, the old nature of ourselves MUST die, i see so many young people just caught up in lust it's impossible to follow the 10 commandments since we do by nature the things contained in it, i myself was like them before i was saved use to go out partying, drinking smoking just enjoying a lustful life, it's just wrong man.. to teach something we can't follow instead of TELLING PEOPLE THE TRUTH on HOW TO BE SAVED AND HOW WE CAN TRULY FOLLOW GOD

John 3:3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

MUST BE BORN AGAIN TO GET RID OF OUR OLD NATURE.

then what comes after that?



2 Corinthians 5:17

King James Version (KJV)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It would be good for anyone to look up for themselves in the scriptures, (Not English verses) what that word used for born again IS.

It means to have a change of heart/mind concerning God and His Word.

I don't expect you to believe me, because your not supposed to. Believe The Father's Word.

And it certainly does change the way one thinks, talks, and behaves.

You know that ALL things are good, its the mis-management and excess that causes trouble.

There are no shortcuts to God's Word, IF, one is of a sound mind. It starts at Genisis 1:1 and at this time there is nothing hidden, IF, one is sincere in wanting to know. Its an incredible peace of mind.

We will ALL be born again in the twinkling of an eye, unless one Passes Over prior to this event.

"it is NOT so much the things that we put into our mouths that defiles the person; it IS what comes out of our mouths, that defiles the person. Ill communication.

 

[Josh321]

It would be good for anyone to look up for themselves in the scriptures, (Not English verses) what that word used for born again IS.

It means to have a change of heart/mind concerning God and His Word.

I don't expect you to believe me, because your not supposed to. Believe The Father's Word.

And it certainly does change the way one thinks, talks, and behaves.

You know that ALL things are good, its the mis-management and excess that causes trouble.

There are no shortcuts to God's Word, IF, one is of a sound mind. It starts at Genisis 1:1 and at this time there is nothing hidden, IF, one is sincere in wanting to know. Its an incredible peace of mind.

We will ALL be born again in the twinkling of an eye, unless one Passes Over prior to this event.

"it is NOT so much the things that we put into our mouths that defiles the person; it IS what comes out of our mouths, that defiles the person. Ill communication.

lol what you think happen to me? God changed me completely think i was always like this how i am now? nope God change my nature that's why i can tell everyone this,exactly about 8 months ago i didn't know nothing at all about the bible hadn't went church in over 2 years and something happen to me that lead me to christ and i choose to let him completely in my life that's how this change came about, i just wish that for all of you aswell and stop making the 10 commandments your God and lean to christ so he can change your nature as well, if most people here truly knew what born again mean or experience it they would know what i'm saying, it's a personal experience that everyone must go true if they don't you will perish, because that is how we know we are saved

 

[Josh321]

everysingle thing i'm saying here is talking from experience and relating to the scriptures, i couldn't help myself was trapped in sin just like everyone who is in the flesh is, but God himself changed me and gave me the holy spirit

 

[TannarDarr]

Actually I wasn't talking to you, but then you replied to me without understanding anything I said thus we are now engaging a convo. Your swift to judge and criticize.

I'll come back to this part at your request.

So am I wrong to say, clean your heart first then obey?

yes. not wrong hearted, but wrong in fact. Scripture says that after obedience comes the cleaning of the heart. That through obedience/works your heart is changed. AND HE SAYS HE DOES THE CHANGING, when you say "clean your heart" you are trying to do the changing, thus usurping his authority, AS WELL AS slowing down when you let HIM do the work in you. In other words you are pushing the Pilot away from the wheel and trying to fly solo.

What I'm refuting with you is, don't think you can obey to be close, Jesus said our righteousness must exceed the Pharisees who thought doing commandments with a heart far from God made them obedient.

Their righteousness wasn't in keeping the law. That's antiChrist theology. You are afraid of judgement. Thus you want to work hard at not being judged. That means you do not know how to love yet, and lacking love, HE is not in you and you are not in HIM. Your path is fruitless. If I cared for you at all, why would I not beat you with a pack of wet spaghetti strands until this made sense?

You don't tell a person to be a Christian you must obey these commandments because it will change you. You tell them to first clean their heart, give themselves to God, so inside they may be born again.

I don't think but one or two in all of this forum has a clue how born again looks in scripture. Actually a handful or so thinking back at some posts. BUT you think you are born again because of what you do, so you'll always be looking for something to do that will make you born again. :| Only God gives life. It's not a reward, it's a result of maturity.

Then they can obey and be closer to Jesus.

Keeping the "law" and rules, etc... is not sharing ANYTHIGN with what Christ's church is set up to do.

Two men eating meat.

FOr one it was a sin,
for the other it was not.
ANd it was NOT because HE had greater faith, that gave him MORE freedom.

It was the same act.

Tell me, which side of the table are you on there, the restrictive side, or the freedom side?

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. I'm sure that's foreign to you, and just as sure someone knows where it is in the Bible without me having to remember. I don't remember well, I bled brains out my ear once. Don't sleep and drive.

 

[TannarDarr]

Tannar,
It appears you came into this thread a little later than most, which is obviously fine. If you take the time to look over my past posts in this thread, you will see a number of times where I said to properly understand Paul, we need to understand Jesus first. [/quote[ You presume I haven't. Since I disagree with all you have said, you feel since yoU KNOW YOU ARE INERRANTLY RIGHT, that I must be wrong, and it's nice to not call me an idiot, and to give me a way out with I haven't read your words.... MIGHTY PEN THAT YOU BEAR. Pure Hubris. NOT what you would expect from one of the "House of David".

Never have I discredited Paul in this thread or said he was wrong, and I challenge you to find a post where I did. You will not find one.

You are correct you never say PAUL IS AN IDIOT. You do, however discredit Paul.

My statement about Jesus>Paul is in reference to what author and what scripture carries more weight.

AND here it is. POOF, discredit Paul. Scripture is either inspired or it is not, which is it. If inspired, then all bears equal weight, none less. That means you ignore the scripture you don't like, and tone it down, to make it fit in your box, by saying it's less inspired/less important, so therefore ONE scripture that is MORE important overrides what it says elsewhere.

Paul can be read, and THEN JEsus and have a better understanding of Jesus. JESUS can be read and then Paul, and have a better understanding of Jesus. The understanding is the same way. It can only mean one thing, and what it means can't allow for differences, or fuzzy places in all of the Book. If there are places you don't find without contradiction, then you don't have them right yet.

About which Scripture is the original, and which one is the commentary on that original. Paul isn't wrong. He is commentating on Jesus' words. Paul was anointed by God to preach to the Gentiles. He was full of the Holy Spirit, and he spoke words of life and truth. But every single word of Paul's HAS to line up with Jesus' teaching.

Pardon me, but WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO IMPLY THEY DO NOT? EVEN TO IMPLY THEY MAY NOT? You are one to deny the divinity of scripture. There is not a way possible that they would not. You are posturing to discredit something Paul wrote to suit your own theology.

And in order to truly understand what Paul was saying, we need to understand Jesus' words first.

No, you must not, but thanks for imposing your desires on the rest of the world. Most of us think it's so cute when people try to hard....

Thanks in advance for looking back at my previous posts, and recognizing that you're mistaken.

Have a great night everyone!
Matt

Thanks for proving your Hubris.

 

[TannarDarr]

everysingle thing i'm saying here is talking from experience and relating to the scriptures, i couldn't help myself was trapped in sin just like everyone who is in the flesh is, but God himself changed me and gave me the holy spirit

Then you are no longer in the flesh. rom 8:9