Are King James Bible believers "Idolaters"?
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This was your claim. I assumed you made an honest mistake and the mushrooms/hallucinogenic joke was making light. I really didn't feel like just correcting you and making you look........ whatever.
Here.... I broke theie paragraphs up. This is from <<<< there.
Match the reds......
[h=2]Version Information[/h]
The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. The fountainhead of that stream was William Tyndale's New Testament of 1526; marking its course were the King James Version of 1611 (KJV), the English Revised Version of 1885 (RV), the American Standard Version of 1901 (ASV), and the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 (RSV). ...
In that stream, faithfulness to the text and vigorous pursuit of accuracy were combined with simplicity, beauty, and dignity of expression. Our goal has been to carry forward this legacy for a new century.
To this end each word and phrase in the ESV has been carefully weighed against the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, to ensure the fullest accuracy and clarity and to avoid under-translating or overlooking any nuance of the original text...
The words and phrases themselves grow out of the Tyndale-King James legacy, and most recently out of the RSV, with the 1971 RSV text providing the starting point for our work.
Archaic language has been brought to current usage and significant corrections have been made in the translation of key texts. But throughout, our goal has been to retain the depth of meaning and enduring language that have made their indelible mark on the English-speaking world and have defined the life and doctrine of the church over the last four centuries.
The ESV is an "essentially literal" translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. It seeks to be transparent to the original text, letting the reader see as directly as possible the structure and meaning of the original. More about the ESV translation philosophy...
Here.... I broke theie paragraphs up. This is from <<<< there.
Match the reds......
[h=2]Version Information[/h]
The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. The fountainhead of that stream was William Tyndale's New Testament of 1526; marking its course were the King James Version of 1611 (KJV), the English Revised Version of 1885 (RV), the American Standard Version of 1901 (ASV), and the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 (RSV). ...
In that stream, faithfulness to the text and vigorous pursuit of accuracy were combined with simplicity, beauty, and dignity of expression. Our goal has been to carry forward this legacy for a new century.
To this end each word and phrase in the ESV has been carefully weighed against the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, to ensure the fullest accuracy and clarity and to avoid under-translating or overlooking any nuance of the original text...
The words and phrases themselves grow out of the Tyndale-King James legacy, and most recently out of the RSV, with the 1971 RSV text providing the starting point for our work.
Archaic language has been brought to current usage and significant corrections have been made in the translation of key texts. But throughout, our goal has been to retain the depth of meaning and enduring language that have made their indelible mark on the English-speaking world and have defined the life and doctrine of the church over the last four centuries.
The ESV is an "essentially literal" translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. It seeks to be transparent to the original text, letting the reader see as directly as possible the structure and meaning of the original. More about the ESV translation philosophy...
Re: Modern Version Mysticism
You stand in opposition to Him, not in synergistic growth with him. ANd you teach people to walk away WITH you, not to HIM.
AN atheist can live by keeping the commandments.
Goodluck. I hope God doesn't ask you why you wouldn't let HIM DO His job on you, and why you insisted trying to be the surgeon and not him.
You stand in opposition to Him, not in synergistic growth with him. ANd you teach people to walk away WITH you, not to HIM.
AN atheist can live by keeping the commandments.
Goodluck. I hope God doesn't ask you why you wouldn't let HIM DO His job on you, and why you insisted trying to be the surgeon and not him.
Re: Modern Version Mysticism
That's what Satan tries to do to. >And he is MUCH more knowledgeable about it than you are.
You don't teach, you just bait people down a backwards path that is parallel to the right path, but will eventually seal people off from it.
You can't learn to love, focusing on the commandments. You can only learn to love by loving. Loving requires ACTS to learn.
You stand in opposition to PAUL, JOHN, and Christ. And I've shown all three I believe. Your Hubris wouldn't allow you to answer.
I don't care what YOU believe. It's your life, you can pridefully waste it if you want. But when you put things out that can lead someone who doesn't even know the right questions to ask about astray, you get under my skin.
That's what Satan tries to do to. >And he is MUCH more knowledgeable about it than you are.
You don't teach, you just bait people down a backwards path that is parallel to the right path, but will eventually seal people off from it.
You can't learn to love, focusing on the commandments. You can only learn to love by loving. Loving requires ACTS to learn.
You stand in opposition to PAUL, JOHN, and Christ. And I've shown all three I believe. Your Hubris wouldn't allow you to answer.
I don't care what YOU believe. It's your life, you can pridefully waste it if you want. But when you put things out that can lead someone who doesn't even know the right questions to ask about astray, you get under my skin.
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Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
Located here...
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
You can see the proof of this here -
My, How times have changed! What Bible scholars were saying a mere 50 years ago about the liberal RSV!
times change DTSem, net - Another King James Bible Believer
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
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QUOTE=TannarDarr;1192188]Located here...
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.[/QUOTE]
Ok...thank you for the info
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
[/QUOTE]Ok...thank you for the info
I"m sure he'd love to hear from someone who is a world class scholar as yourself. I'd like to read some of your published works, so I can examine the critiques your peers have to say about your brilliance. Can you refer me to some publications to peruse?
ANd other than your rant, we have what to look at to consider your assertions? OR do you think you are so PROFOUND ENOUGH on your own that you need not explain your accusations, the world should just accept them?
And I must say how profound you are to consider using your own article on your blog to support "as if it were proof" your assertions. AND THEN IN THE ARTICLE you quote someone who is NOT DAN WALLACE.
It must suck for Doctor Dan to be admired by all of his peers and respected even though some disagree with him for his works, but someone like you who is just a savant and has a red phone to GOd to render judgement on him, because of something someone else said, when Dan was still a student.
Brilliant.
Do you have an encore?
ANd other than your rant, we have what to look at to consider your assertions? OR do you think you are so PROFOUND ENOUGH on your own that you need not explain your accusations, the world should just accept them?
And I must say how profound you are to consider using your own article on your blog to support "as if it were proof" your assertions. AND THEN IN THE ARTICLE you quote someone who is NOT DAN WALLACE.
It must suck for Doctor Dan to be admired by all of his peers and respected even though some disagree with him for his works, but someone like you who is just a savant and has a red phone to GOd to render judgement on him, because of something someone else said, when Dan was still a student.
Brilliant.
Do you have an encore?
QUOTE=TannarDarr;1192188]Located here...
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
The story of WHY it came to be is here...
Because of the NET Bible, the next rounds of translations are going to be much more transparent in their interpretations. The NET Bible has over 60K notes on why the translators chose to say what they said. it shows you both sides of the arguments so you can know what the issues are and pursue an investigation if you wish.
It's written to be as close to word for word, as it can be, without losing the reader because the meanings of words have changed, or a particular phrase, carried more of a picture than just the words.
It's respected by every Bible translation team I've seen comment about it. I've seen no complaints from the professionals in teh world, although there is always someone who think BLOG means they know what they are talking about.
It's for free use.
It's free to download for your own use.
It's free to print a copy for yourself.
It's about the most UNFINANCIALLY rewarding Bible in the existance of mankind's time with bibles.
They haven't made money in a year, since it's inception. They take "not for profit" to a whole new level.
Ok...thank you for the info[/QUOTE]
surely! It's a tool.
but it's a good tool.
When used with other translations you get a great well rounded balance.
Personally, I use nasb because of it's word for word accuracy. NO ONE but maybe Brandplucked would disagree with that.
Then I use the NIV because they worked really hard at the concept by concept approach.
And I can use the NET to resolve any issues that may arise between the two translations above. If I'm just reading, not studying and breaking things down
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I use a KJV with study notes and an NASB for extra clarity. And then I get all that beautiful (what some would call old) English, but the KJV isn't written in what's considered "Old English." Snooty English scholars have to have all the answers sometimes...
But as for KJV only believers being idolaters. I think my Bible is probably the only thing I haven't idolized over the years.
But as for KJV only believers being idolaters. I think my Bible is probably the only thing I haven't idolized over the years.