Musical Instruments Found In The Bible
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Ugh.. another one of you people who think your view has to be right when the bible doesn't specify anything you say. What about most old hymns? Guess where the music came from. Old bar tunes. So i guess many of the most famous and well known Christian hymns are really part of the world too. Let me guess 'that's different'. So sick of judgmental, ignorant people looking for the devil under every rock and trying to prove an argument with zero foundation under it.
Probably 95% of music stems from a secular source. So, with your theory, no music can be accepted unless its source can be verified.
And that you think someone that listens to rock music supports their 'father satan' truly shows what a mindless pharisee you really are.
And yes, i have, many times, praised God through various forms of rock.
Probably 95% of music stems from a secular source. So, with your theory, no music can be accepted unless its source can be verified.
And that you think someone that listens to rock music supports their 'father satan' truly shows what a mindless pharisee you really are.
And yes, i have, many times, praised God through various forms of rock.
After having read several versions of the Word and several languages, it has demonstrated there are differenct instruments in different versions. It does not matter to me. I tend to stick with the names of instruments with which I was raised because I am more accustomed to those names. It has always pleased me to think that perhaps in the Kingdom I will be able to play an instrument in worship and praise of our Maker. Now I do, but only in my mind, heart and soul.
do you think there are any instruments on this thread's list that weren't used by the pagan cultures around Israel? if Assyria, Babylon & Egypt used harps, lyres, horns and lutes in their religious ceremonies, does that make all these instruments "of satan" ?
did David sin when he wrote a psalm for the lute, if worshipers of Ba'al had used a lute some hundreds of years before?
many godless things have been written in the English language; ought we to stop speaking it?
but Christ called a people to himself out of the gentiles, from an unclean people, a people holy unto Him. we know meat doesn't condemn us nor does it commend us to him. if no noise i can make is worthy of His praise, ought i to keep silent?
i must confess, i've always wondered what it would sound like to hear the rocks cry out =]
did David sin when he wrote a psalm for the lute, if worshipers of Ba'al had used a lute some hundreds of years before?
many godless things have been written in the English language; ought we to stop speaking it?
but Christ called a people to himself out of the gentiles, from an unclean people, a people holy unto Him. we know meat doesn't condemn us nor does it commend us to him. if no noise i can make is worthy of His praise, ought i to keep silent?
i must confess, i've always wondered what it would sound like to hear the rocks cry out =]
No one asked for your pointless drivel about it anyways. This thread wasnt even a debate on rock music, but in your infinite arrogance, you had to try to make it one, because no one can have differing opinions from the great Kerry. You can have your little opinion, but trust me no one in this thread cares too much about it. You hate music. Fine. Go start your own thread about it instead of disrupting this one.
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Israel invented the trumpet. The Egyptian word is thupar, a corruption of pronunciation for shofar. The first written occurrence of the word trumpet anywhere on earth, so far as I can trace is Ex. 19, when God blew on the mountain.
Actually it goes the other way, 2 Cor. 10:5. When David wrote for the stringed instrument, the "note of Ea" of the Sumerians became the song of God.
The worship instrument of Egypt was the sistrum, unknown in Israel. Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Sistrum
The flute is a separate case. It is never spoken of in the Bible in a good context. But it was used in the procession for water drawing on Sukkoth, and the Talmud tells us that "whoever has not seen joy (at this feast) has never seen joy". A flute is, as far as I know, the only intact and operating Israeli instument recovered so far by archeologists.
Actually it goes the other way, 2 Cor. 10:5. When David wrote for the stringed instrument, the "note of Ea" of the Sumerians became the song of God.
The worship instrument of Egypt was the sistrum, unknown in Israel. Ancient Egypt: the Mythology - Sistrum
The flute is a separate case. It is never spoken of in the Bible in a good context. But it was used in the procession for water drawing on Sukkoth, and the Talmud tells us that "whoever has not seen joy (at this feast) has never seen joy". A flute is, as far as I know, the only intact and operating Israeli instument recovered so far by archeologists.
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Okay, concerning this Christian Rock issue, I do agree that there's no need for incredible anger and negativity to be called 'Christian'. But what you're speaking against is a musical genre, not the negativity from the music itself. It is true that most metal and Rock are primarily negative (which is why I don't listen to much of it) but there are forms of Rock and Metal that are inspirational and uplifting. You may not personally like the genre but that doesn't mean that the genre itself is sinful.
Any noise that glorifies our Maker, so perhaps both.
You know our Father will use that which is not to bring down that which is.
He also will use that which may appear most base for His good purpose.
Yes, He is amazing, wonderful and greatly to be praised no matter how.
Look at how nature praises His so perfectly until interrupted by the enemy. Trees point to heaven, flowers show their beauty to Him in a semi circle following the sun.
As it is written there is no voice, no sound yet His praise is heard throughout the creation.
Praise Yahweh, amen.
You know our Father will use that which is not to bring down that which is.
He also will use that which may appear most base for His good purpose.
Yes, He is amazing, wonderful and greatly to be praised no matter how.
Look at how nature praises His so perfectly until interrupted by the enemy. Trees point to heaven, flowers show their beauty to Him in a semi circle following the sun.
As it is written there is no voice, no sound yet His praise is heard throughout the creation.
Praise Yahweh, amen.
i'm not sure that enough records and objects survived the passage of time for us to be certain that the Israelites were the first to ever blow in an animal horn & make a noise, or to cast a metal horn, which i think is more likely to be what you are suggesting, but that's a pretty interesting thing to look into.
the Egyptian sistrum is much like a tambourine / timbrel --
what about Psalm 150:4 --
"Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and the pipe!"
(in the NIV) -- that seems to be mentioning a "flute" (i.e. pipe) in a good light?
also Isaiah 30:29 -- "You will have a song, as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and with gladness of heart, as when one goes with a flute to come to YHWH's mountain, to Israel's Rock."
regardless, it is as you say, 'the other way around' --
1 Cor. 10:5
"we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ"
like the people called to him out of the gentiles - the "unclean vessels" put to holy purpose - if every meat is declared "clean" it seems to me declaring instruments "clean" or "unclean" is petty & the arguments don't hold water.
not every song in the Psalms or elsewhere in the scripture is a song of praise; there are songs calling for judgement, songs of lamenting and regret, songs crying for the destruction of enemies. If we are to be 'speaking to each other in psalms and spiritual songs' (Col. 3:16) i think we're talking about the prosperity gospel if such speech should always be sweet sounding, melodious & feel-good. there's certainly a time for instruction, rebuke, lament, etc.
here in this verse i don't think "sweet soul music" is what is called for; to me it sounds very "metal" in the colloquial sense:
Isaiah 58:1 --
Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins.
the Egyptian sistrum is much like a tambourine / timbrel --
what about Psalm 150:4 --
"Praise him with timbrel and dancing, praise him with the strings and the pipe!"
(in the NIV) -- that seems to be mentioning a "flute" (i.e. pipe) in a good light?
also Isaiah 30:29 -- "You will have a song, as in the night when a holy feast is kept, and with gladness of heart, as when one goes with a flute to come to YHWH's mountain, to Israel's Rock."
regardless, it is as you say, 'the other way around' --
1 Cor. 10:5
"we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ"
like the people called to him out of the gentiles - the "unclean vessels" put to holy purpose - if every meat is declared "clean" it seems to me declaring instruments "clean" or "unclean" is petty & the arguments don't hold water.
not every song in the Psalms or elsewhere in the scripture is a song of praise; there are songs calling for judgement, songs of lamenting and regret, songs crying for the destruction of enemies. If we are to be 'speaking to each other in psalms and spiritual songs' (Col. 3:16) i think we're talking about the prosperity gospel if such speech should always be sweet sounding, melodious & feel-good. there's certainly a time for instruction, rebuke, lament, etc.
here in this verse i don't think "sweet soul music" is what is called for; to me it sounds very "metal" in the colloquial sense:
Isaiah 58:1 --
Cry aloud, spare not;
Lift up your voice like a trumpet;
Tell My people their transgression,
And the house of Jacob their sins.