can anyone interpret matthew 24 vs 30 and 31

[DiscipleDave]

The mystery of God is Jesus Rapturing His Church unto Himself. That is what the prophets declared. The days of the seventh angel is Christ returning, NOT the fighting that entails afterwards, or the destruction of the wicked after His Return. The mystery is when Christ appears and takes His Church, that mystery is finished. The bowls will then be poured out upon the Earth for the next 3 1/2 years. At the end of the 3 1/2 years, there will be no more wicked people alive ANYWHERE, then the thousand year reign will begin on the Earth, we (the Saints) will rule over the remainder of the humans that made it through the 7 year tribulation period, they will be 144,000 that will repopulate the Earth during that thousand year reign of Christ on Earth.

Sorry Brother Dave, your view is incorrect.

Brother it is not my view, if it were, i would say it is my view or my opinion. What i have told you is what God has told me. Therefore they are not mine, but His who told me. if you do not believe what i have said, you do not disagree with me, but disagree with Him who told me these things. The same who told me these things also told me to Love One Another above all else. Told me to stop obeying satan when i am tempted to sin. The same who told me these things, taught me to overcome All temptations that come at me from the devil, taught me to LOVE. It is the same He, that you disagree with, not me. Please don't give me the credit for the Truths that i teach, they are not from me, nor are mine, they are from Him, and belong to Him, He is Truth, i am not. What i teach that He told me, is the Truth, and you will find no Scriptures that contradict what i teach from Him, you will find many people who will disagree because of their own false interpretations of the Bible, but you will find nothing contrary in Scriptures concerning what He has told me. You disagree with what i teach, because you misunderstand the Scriptures. Tell me, who gave you this understanding of the Scriptures, God or from your own studies and comparing of the Word? Has the Holy Ghost revealed to you what you think is True, or did it come from your own thinking? As i said before what i have said, is not from me, nor from my own thinking or from my own studies, but it came from Him who told and revealed to me things that will happen in the future. He also told me, there is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, does that sound like a demon to you? would a demon tell you not to obey demons and devils? Didn't Christ say satan is not divided against himself. satan would not tell me to stop sinning, to obey Jesus, to be holy, pure, righteous, these are not the words of demons. You do error. If you were taught by Jesus or the Holy Ghost, then you would believe what i have said, for what i have said comes from them, you do not believe them, because your belief and what you want to believe is in the way of the Truth.

^i^

 

[PlainWord]

Brother it is not my view, if it were, i would say it is my view or my opinion. What i have told you is what God has told me. Therefore they are not mine, but His who told me. if you do not believe what i have said, you do not disagree with me, but disagree with Him who told me these things. The same who told me these things also told me to Love One Another above all else. Told me to stop obeying satan when i am tempted to sin. The same who told me these things, taught me to overcome All temptations that come at me from the devil, taught me to LOVE. It is the same He, that you disagree with, not me. Please don't give me the credit for the Truths that i teach, they are not from me, nor are mine, they are from Him, and belong to Him, He is Truth, i am not. What i teach that He told me, is the Truth, and you will find no Scriptures that contradict what i teach from Him, you will find many people who will disagree because of their own false interpretations of the Bible, but you will find nothing contrary in Scriptures concerning what He has told me. You disagree with what i teach, because you misunderstand the Scriptures. Tell me, who gave you this understanding of the Scriptures, God or from your own studies and comparing of the Word? Has the Holy Ghost revealed to you what you think is True, or did it come from your own thinking? As i said before what i have said, is not from me, nor from my own thinking or from my own studies, but it came from Him who told and revealed to me things that will happen in the future. He also told me, there is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, does that sound like a demon to you? would a demon tell you not to obey demons and devils? Didn't Christ say satan is not divided against himself. satan would not tell me to stop sinning, to obey Jesus, to be holy, pure, righteous, these are not the words of demons. You do error. If you were taught by Jesus or the Holy Ghost, then you would believe what i have said, for what i have said comes from them, you do not believe them, because your belief and what you want to believe is in the way of the Truth.

^i^

Brother, the biggest cop out a Christian can do is claim the Spirit or Lord told them something and that they have some divine understanding that nobody else has. There is no way anyone can argue with such a statement. I could just as easily say that the Lord has shown me everything that I've been writing which is what I believe. But I would never contradict the clear Word of God and say it is He who told me new unwritten truths. God would never tell you one thing and tell me the exact opposite. There is only one truth!!

Please do not make such claims openly again because to do so is boasting that you are closer to God than those who disagree with you. This makes you a judge and that position belongs to our father. Thank you.

 

[GRA]

[ correction ]

is in erroneous...

is erroneous...

 

[homwardbound]

Brother, the biggest cop out a Christian can do is claim the Spirit or Lord told them something and that they have some divine understanding that nobody else has. There is no way anyone can argue with such a statement. I could just as easily say that the Lord has shown me everything that I've been writing which is what I believe. But I would never contradict the clear Word of God and say it is He who told me new unwritten truths. God would never tell you one thing and tell me the exact opposite. There is only one truth!!

Please do not make such claims openly again because to do so is boasting that you are closer to God than those who disagree with you. This makes you a judge and that position belongs to our father. Thank you.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[PlainWord]

Pre-Tribulation is not Scriptural
Post-Tribulation is not Scriptural
Only Mid-Tribulation is Scriptural.
The Church go through some of the Tribulation but not all of it.
Jesus Returns at the last Trumpet, the 7th one.
After the seventh Trumpet is blown, the seven vials are poured out upon the Earth, the Church is not here for the vials being poured out, the purpose of the vials is to wipe unrepentant humans from the face of the Earth. 144,000 children survive the entire 7 year Tribulation period, they are the ones that will repopulate the Earth, they are the ones that we, the Saints will reign over with Jesus Christ.
Please read my article PreTrib to see all the Scriptural support.

^i^

No, sorry. The 7 Bowls are poured out before the Lord returns. The Lord returns at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th Bowl. Satan owns the 6th seal, 6th trumpet, 6th Bowl. 6-6-6 vs. 7-7-7. Therefore the Wrath of God is poured out specifically against the Beast and His kingdom, not against true believers. It says this in Rev 16.

Notice that before the Lord comes we have lightening, thunderings, noises, earthquakes and hail before each of the 7-7-7. That is how we know the Bowls happen first. We also know from Psalm 110 and 6 other places that the Lord doesn't come until God makes His enemies His footstool. The Bowls accomplish that. It all fits.

 

[JesusSaves13]

It says in the bible that he will return when the last trumpet is blown which is the 7th trumpet in Reveations.

 

[homwardbound]

No, sorry. The 7 Bowls are poured out before the Lord returns. The Lord returns at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th Bowl. Satan owns the 6th seal, 6th trumpet, 6th Bowl. 6-6-6 vs. 7-7-7. Therefore the Wrath of God is poured out specifically against the Beast and His kingdom, not against true believers. It says this in Rev 16.

Notice that before the Lord comes we have lightening, thunderings, noises, earthquakes and hail before each of the 7-7-7. That is how we know the Bowls happen first. We also know from Psalm 110 and 6 other places that the Lord doesn't come until God makes His enemies His footstool. The Bowls accomplish that. It all fits.

interesting, and Thanks, and we shall know parts, yet not all in truth, as when Christ came to earth had the Devil known what the death od Christ would bring to the believers. The devil would have never encouraged the death to those religious leaders in the day of Christ.
Now I think there was second thoughts from the evil one to stop it and he was beaten, stripes on his back to deny, yet Christ went to the death, and thus came to life never denied, and took the keys from the Evil one, which destroyed the works of the Devil
John 16:11 of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

So since it could not be figured out in truth what it is suppose to be, then, how will anyone do it knowas in what is to come and be.
The only thing I know about future is GOD wins
Thanks for the insight I will stick to trust in Father through Son

 

[DiscipleDave]

Brother it is not my view, if it were, i would say it is my view or my opinion. What i have told you is what God has told me. Therefore they are not mine, but His who told me. if you do not believe what i have said, you do not disagree with me, but disagree with Him who told me these things. The same who told me these things also told me to Love One Another above all else. Told me to stop obeying satan when i am tempted to sin. The same who told me these things, taught me to overcome All temptations that come at me from the devil, taught me to LOVE. It is the same He, that you disagree with, not me. Please don't give me the credit for the Truths that i teach, they are not from me, nor are mine, they are from Him, and belong to Him, He is Truth, i am not. What i teach that He told me, is the Truth, and you will find no Scriptures that contradict what i teach from Him, you will find many people who will disagree because of their own false interpretations of the Bible, but you will find nothing contrary in Scriptures concerning what He has told me. You disagree with what i teach, because you misunderstand the Scriptures. Tell me, who gave you this understanding of the Scriptures, God or from your own studies and comparing of the Word? Has the Holy Ghost revealed to you what you think is True, or did it come from your own thinking? As i said before what i have said, is not from me, nor from my own thinking or from my own studies, but it came from Him who told and revealed to me things that will happen in the future. He also told me, there is no sin that you do that you can't cease from, does that sound like a demon to you? would a demon tell you not to obey demons and devils? Didn't Christ say satan is not divided against himself. satan would not tell me to stop sinning, to obey Jesus, to be holy, pure, righteous, these are not the words of demons. You do error. If you were taught by Jesus or the Holy Ghost, then you would believe what i have said, for what i have said comes from them, you do not believe them, because your belief and what you want to believe is in the way of the Truth.

^i^

Brother, the biggest cop out a Christian can do is claim the Spirit or Lord told them something and that they have some divine understanding that nobody else has.

So you must be one of those people who do not believe God speaks to people any more, yes? Do you believe the Word of God that plainly teaches in the last days your sons and daughters shall prophesy?

There is no way anyone can argue with such a statement. I could just as easily say that the Lord has shown me everything that I've been writing which is what I believe.

Has the Lord shown you everything that you are writing? Has He had conversations with you?, have you had visions of the Future and Has the Spirit of Truth opened up the understanding of the Scriptures, and revealed the knowledge thereof?

But I would never contradict the clear Word of God and say it is He who told me new unwritten truths.

Tell me anything that i have said that is contrary to Scriptures? Nothing i have said is contrary to Scriptures, only contrary to what humans think is the Truth. Where is it written that there will be no new unwritten truths? Is that not in itself a human belief. There is no Scriptures that teach that God stops revealing revelations to His servants, even in the last days? Who told you, or from what doctrine comes that teaching that God does not reveal new revelations to His servants in the last days?

God would never tell you one thing and tell me the exact opposite. There is only one truth!!

Agreed, and as i have said before, you will not find one thing that i say is from God, that will be contrary to anything the Word of God teaches. Your belief contradicts what i teach, but what i say comes from God, does not contradict any Scriptures only your belief.

Please do not make such claims openly again because to do so is boasting that you are closer to God than those who disagree with you.

i wander if anybody in the past who were specifically chosen to do a specific task were told the same exact thing? It is plainly written in Rev 21:8 that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. i assure you if i claim that God has spoken with me on many different occasions, and i have spoken with Angels of God, and have had visions, and dreams of what is yet to come, then it is the Truth. i have thought many times about not saying God told me this, or God told me that. Then what do i say when i am asked how do you know that? Do i lie, or tell them the Truth? Do i give credit to my own intellect, or tell the Truth and say God told me that, that is how i know it is True. What i teach is what God has told me. If i lie, then let me die a long and horrible painful slow death, let me get the most horrible disease known to man, if i am lying let my living mother and my living father, who i love dearly, die in a like manner, not them only but let all my brothers die likewise horrible deaths, let my children have the same fate if i am lying. What i teach is from God, i was called from birth to teach what i teach to a generation who will not hear the Truth, but will reject it. i challenge you, go to the website below, see if you find anything contrary to Scriptures, contrary to what this generation believes is the Truth, sure you will find plenty of that, but you will not find anything contrary to the Word of God. Those who will not hear me and what i teach, will not hear Him who told me what i teach, the same over and over again teaches LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

This makes you a judge and that position belongs to our father. Thank you.

The position to Judge does not belong to the Father, it belongs to Jesus Christ. The Father gave Him that. i am not a judge, but He that is in me, is the Judge. Those who have the Holy Spirit of God in them, will know the voice of their Sheppard.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

interesting, and Thanks, and we shall know parts, yet not all in truth,

God reveals to whom God will reveal, True?

^i^

 

[oldhermit]

LOL!

WHAT UTTER NONSENSE!

A complete idiot would know that's EXACTLY what these 2 verses teach!

Perhaps you would care to elaborate.

 

[Imperfect]

i could be wrong, but, this IS the sign of the son of man

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven"

this is a real picture millions of miles away from earth... not sure if applicable, but interesting, none the less.

 

[just-me]

Matthew chapter 24…….. There is more than what I thought. Here’s how it will be, and what to expect.

Isaiah 13:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Ezekiel 32:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

Daniel 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nationeven to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Haggai 2:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For thus saith the LORD of hosts; Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;

Matthew 24:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Joel 2:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

Joel 2:10-10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Joel 3:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Matthew 24:29-31 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And thenshall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the cloudsof heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Isaiah 27:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

Daniel 7:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[SUP]52 [/SUP]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 8:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Revelation 11:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[posthuman]

Perhaps you would care to elaborate.

jb's comment was rather frank, but I'm inclined to agree with him. you said:

The picture of the Son of Man coming in the clouds is strictly a judgment figure from the O.T. ... God is coming on that nation with power and glory. Jesus uses it here to announce the judgment again on the Israel.

and

The imagery of the sounding of the trumpet is defined in the text by the action taken. God is gathering his elect from the four corners of the earth. This is not a picture of the 'rapture' as most will suggest but the spreading of the gospel into the world. The angels are those messengers - ἄγγελοι who preach the gospel. The gathering of the elect is simply the conversion of people from all the nations.

in summary, that the end of the age Christ is talking about throughout the whole chapter refers only to Israel, and that when He says He will send his angels to gather up the elect from the whole earth, what He means by "angels" isn't "angels" but evangelists.

while it's true that the word used here translated as "angel" is the same word used to describe John the baptist ( "i will send my messenger to prepare the way.." ), it is clear in that context ( Mark 1 ) that Mark - quoting Isaiah - is not talking about an angel, but about a prophet. Later in Mark however the same word is used again with an obvious reference to angels -- in Mark 8:38:
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels.
in this verse it seems clear that Christ is referring to the same event -- His return, with the intent to judge the whole earth. That He will return to judge the whole earth is clearly taught throughout the gospel and in particular in Revelation. Why would He say He is coming "in His Father's glory with the holy believers" ? but He is returning with a heavenly host, in judgement, and as we see from other scripture, in defense of Israel an His name, to judge all men.
He came first not to judge, but that we might all be saved - "all" here having reference not only to the Jew, but to the Gentile - how else did we non-Hebrews here come to call ourselves Christians? If John 3:16 also refers only to the Jews, what place do we profane people have in the kingdom? none at all! and all Paul's preaching was in vain, all Peter's evangelism, all your evangelism and faith is nothing. I think we agree that the salvation is for Jew and Gentile alike, so why would you teach that judgement is only for Israel?

if you think that His coming referred to in 24:30 applies only in Judgement of the Jews - i assume you are teaching that this was fulfilled in 70AD - how do you explain Matt. 24:27 ?
For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Has every eye seen him? Did he return with a trumpet call & judge Israel already? did we all miss it? is our faith in vain?

surely, you are right, this is a teaching about returning in judgement. but some things were to happen first - not the least of which is the great tribulation - referred to in 24:21
great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
& while the first century AD was a troubled time, I don't agree that it qualifies as a distress "unequaled from the beginning of the world" and unequaled since. moreover, in v.14 the Lord says the gospel will be preached to all nations before this occurs -- and I hardly think this happened by 70AD.
Matt. 24:29 clearly says that before the angels are sent to gather the elect from the whole earth, the Son of Man will return in power & glory in such a way that every eye will see Him and every people will mourn at His coming.

has this yet happened? did we blink & miss it?

maybe i am not understanding what you meant to say rightly. since you decided to take your discussion outside the thread, i don't know what you are really trying to teach about this chapter & about Christ's return & His place as judge of all nations.

 

[GRA]

moreover, in v.14 the Lord says the gospel will be preached to all nations before this occurs

No.

The description of events in the Olivet Discourse are not in strict chronological order.

Please see the "little chart" after the "big chart" in my Olivet Discourse 'study' ( see my signature ).

[ EDIT ] posthuman: "I generally agree with what you wrote in your post - do not think that I am against it."

 

[Blackson]

The literal truth here is: Jesus will come in the sky and will gather His chosen children out of this world and after this God pours out His wrath on the earth, this has not happen yet, but it is getting closer every day. Just read the New Testament and you will see for yourself what is going on in planet earth. It is hard, but a very rewarding study! Love to all,Hoffco

Thank you Hoffco for giving a true and simple meaning. We should avoid allegorising the scriptures when they are literal.

 

[oldhermit]

jb's comment was rather frank, but I'm inclined to agree with him. you said:



and



in summary, that the end of the age Christ is talking about throughout the whole chapter refers only to Israel, and that when He says He will send his angels to gather up the elect from the whole earth, what He means by "angels" isn't "angels" but evangelists.

while it's true that the word used here translated as "angel" is the same word used to describe John the baptist ( "i will send my messenger to prepare the way.." ), it is clear in that context ( Mark 1 ) that Mark - quoting Isaiah - is not talking about an angel, but about a prophet. Later in Mark however the same word is used again with an obvious reference to angels -- in Mark 8:38:
If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels.
in this verse it seems clear that Christ is referring to the same event -- His return, with the intent to judge the whole earth. That He will return to judge the whole earth is clearly taught throughout the gospel and in particular in Revelation. Why would He say He is coming "in His Father's glory with the holy believers" ? but He is returning with a heavenly host, in judgement, and as we see from other scripture, in defense of Israel an His name, to judge all men.
He came first not to judge, but that we might all be saved - "all" here having reference not only to the Jew, but to the Gentile - how else did we non-Hebrews here come to call ourselves Christians? If John 3:16 also refers only to the Jews, what place do we profane people have in the kingdom? none at all! and all Paul's preaching was in vain, all Peter's evangelism, all your evangelism and faith is nothing. I think we agree that the salvation is for Jew and Gentile alike, so why would you teach that judgement is only for Israel?

if you think that His coming referred to in 24:30 applies only in Judgement of the Jews - i assume you are teaching that this was fulfilled in 70AD - how do you explain Matt. 24:27 ?
For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Has every eye seen him? Did he return with a trumpet call & judge Israel already? did we all miss it? is our faith in vain?

surely, you are right, this is a teaching about returning in judgement. but some things were to happen first - not the least of which is the great tribulation - referred to in 24:21
great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
& while the first century AD was a troubled time, I don't agree that it qualifies as a distress "unequaled from the beginning of the world" and unequaled since. moreover, in v.14 the Lord says the gospel will be preached to all nations before this occurs -- and I hardly think this happened by 70AD.
Matt. 24:29 clearly says that before the angels are sent to gather the elect from the whole earth, the Son of Man will return in power & glory in such a way that every eye will see Him and every people will mourn at His coming.

has this yet happened? did we blink & miss it?

maybe i am not understanding what you meant to say rightly. since you decided to take your discussion outside the thread, i don't know what you are really trying to teach about this chapter & about Christ's return & His place as judge of all nations.

The easiest way for us to engage this or any study with any degree of concentration would be in a one-on-one. You should know that it is almost impossible to have any kind of productive study with everyone and his neighbor offering their comments no matter which side those comments support. I think this would be an interesting study but one that needs to start at the beginning. If you are interested I will schedule some time.

 

[posthuman]

The easiest way for us to engage this or any study with any degree of concentration would be in a one-on-one. You should know that it is almost impossible to have any kind of productive study with everyone and his neighbor offering their comments no matter which side those comments support. I think this would be an interesting study but one that needs to start at the beginning. If you are interested I will schedule some time.

if there is a clear interpretation & teaching, why hide it from the rest of the family? what's the forum for, anyway?

 

[oldhermit]

if there is a clear interpretation & teaching, why hide it from the rest of the family? what's the forum for, anyway?

It is not a matter of hiding. I have been teaching for many years and it is always much easier to enter into a productive discussion with only one person than with a room full of people. It is much easier to address questions from one person than from 20.

 

[posthuman]

No.

The description of events in the Olivet Discourse are not in strict chronological order.

Please see the "little chart" after the "big chart" in my Olivet Discourse 'study' ( see my signature ).

i was just going by v.14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

i hesitate to give any sort of timeline for all the end times because i know i'm not studied enough to understand the detail -- i'll check out those studies in your sig though.
i do think i've read and understood enough to see that when Christ is talking about his return in power & glory at the end of the age, it's something that hasn't happened yet and will have application to & effect on much more just the nation Israel.

i know that often the OT prophets is misinterpreted as applying to the church when it's purely about Israel, but we're talking here about the gospel that is preached 'to the Jew first and also to the Gentile' - all i hoped to convey was that i believe this prophecy of judgement applies to the people it was preached to. there is no reason i see to say that v.30 is to the Jews and v.31 isn't.

 

[posthuman]

It is not a matter of hiding. I have been teaching for many years and it is always much easier to enter into a productive discussion with only one person than with a room full of people. It is much easier to address questions from one person than from 20.

i don't mean to offend you. i'm a phd student with a family (which is at this moment waking up, so i need to go attend to their breakfast) - i'm usually multitasking & have inconsistent and heavy work schedules & deadlines & can't say with regularity what time i have free. that's why a public discussion space like a forum is attractive to me above a real-time chat. today the best time for me was the past hour or 2 that i've been reading this site (while doing other things). who knows what tomorrow will bring?

the result of taking a discussion about posts in this thread outside of this thread is posts like the one jb made -- referring to your comment without fully hearing what you had to say about the topic of the thread. what i mean is, if you talk to one person of 20 somewhere else, the other 19 people in this thread will still be ignorant, so a talk could be had 20 times or once -- that's what a forum is for. one of us ought to come back here and post what insight is gleaned from any outside discussion so that the rest of the forum users won't be ignorant of it, yes?

all that said, you can send me a PM & there is a live chat associated with this site? i'm still relatively new to the site.