Who/What is the antichrist?

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doulos

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Rev. Chapters 16 and 17 gives who and where he will be from and where. The whore or harlet is, adulterous woman ( catholic church) . Church is always a woman in the Bible, when talking spiritual, such as the Bride of Christ. The pope will be the man that will received, super natural power from Satan. The new one could be the one, maybe. You will have to know ancient history to find out, what eight nations ruled the same countries at different times. Believe me the eight one is here today, but has not come into full power yet, but has over 300,000,000 members. I will give you the nations being referring to in, chp. 17. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, ( Persia-Medes), combined together, Greece are the five that have falling (Passed) =5. The Roman Empire, is the one that is, in Johns Day. The only next empire, to capture the same nations was Napoleon's Empire=Number 7. Napoleon, was the one that wounded the antichrist head until death 1798. When Napoleon sent word for pope Pius VI to come to France and crown him Emperor, the pope refused. Napoleon, then sent General Dolphar, him to fetch to France. The pope Swiss guards, that guard the Vatican killed him. Napoleon, then sent General Berthier to Rome and arrested him. The old pope was old and sickly and died in 1799. Napoleon then crown himself. From 1798 until 1929 the Holy Roman pope was wounded unto death, (power gone). In 1929 Mussolinii the ruler of Italy in 1929, pumped millions in the Vatican and the pope and allowed it, to become a full fledge nation in itself. In the middle of the tribulation, after the true Church has been rapture and the members and the ten nations, are again under the old Roman empire will turn, on the Vatican and burn it. The pope in office at this time, will be helped by Satan, moved into the new Temple in Jerusalem with super natural powers and declare himself god. He will deceive, nearly all the world. The 666 mark of some kind, will be administered and if you don't accept it, you will be beheaded. Beheaded, what religion, is known for removing heads, (Islam). The second beast with two horns (power) on his head is the muslem religion. They will throw in and back the antichrist, ( pope). The two horns represent two different powers. What religion uses political and spiritual force, to carry out there agenda's. This is Islam.
And the Catholic bashing guesswork theology continues!
 

Hizikyah

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And the Catholic bashing guesswork theology continues!
Revelation 17:4-5, "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication. And upon her head was a name written: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS hAND OF THE iABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."



Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits."


Revelation 13:6, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against Yahweh, to blaspheme His Name, and His House, and those who dwell in heaven."

"No 'Yahweh' in songs, prayers at Catholic Masses, Vatican rules"
catholicnews.com

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away,
the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, "Papa," art. 2, translated.

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.
Guess work?
 
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doulos

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Yes, guess work!!! I have asked you before to show which of the four verses decribing antichrists the Catholics are guilty of transgressing and you have repeatedly used guess work theology in order to justify standing by your Scripturally bankrupt view!


1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Catholocism teaches and believes that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day. Those who teach and believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected do not meet the Scriptural definition of an antichrist!!!!!

As you are led friend, as you are led!

PS no I am not catholic.
 

Hizikyah

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And the Catholic bashing guesswork theology continues!
Yes, guess work!!! I have asked you before to show which of the four verses decribing antichrists the Catholics are guilty of transgressing and you have repeatedly used guess work theology in order to justify standing by your Scripturally bankrupt view!


1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Catholocism teaches and believes that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day. Those who teach and believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected do not meet the Scriptural definition of an antichrist!!!!!

As you are led friend, as you are led!

PS no I am not catholic.
I understand why you believe what you do, however not only do they teach a fake version of the Messiah but they stand in oppisition to everything Yahshua stands for, we could go on a list pages long of all the Papal Decrees that go against Scripture.

Yes they do teach a "3rd day resurrection", however they teach a different "3rd day" as Yahshua said 3 days and 3 nights, it is impossible to get 3 days and 3 nights out of Fri-Sun, I ask that you watch the first part of this video to see this Scriptually proven, if you insist on a Fri-Sun you are not concerened about Scriptual truth.

I say these things with respect and sincereity.

Resurrection - YouTube
 
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doulos

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I understand why you believe what you do, however not only do they teach a fake version of the Messiah but they stand in oppisition to everything Yahshua stands for, we could go on a list pages long of all the Papal Decrees that go against Scripture.

Yes they do teach a "3rd day resurrection", however they teach a different "3rd day" as Yahshua said 3 days and 3 nights, it is impossible to get 3 days and 3 nights out of Fri-Sun, I ask that you watch the first part of this video to see this Scriptually proven, if you insist on a Fri-Sun you are not concerened about Scriptual truth.

I say these things with respect and sincereity.

Resurrection - YouTube
Please show me the verse that says one is an antichrist if they have the day Christ was resurrected on wrong?

Do the Catholics teach Christ was crucified, died and resurrected? Yes or no.
If the anser is yes (and it is) they do not meet the Scriptural definition of an antichrist.




1Jn 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So once again I ask you to show us exactly which of the above verses the Catholics are guilty of transgressing?
 
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Hizikyah

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Please show me the verse that says one is an antichrist if they have the day Christ was resurrected on wrong?
Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

This is a prophecy about the anti-Messiah, and it matches the work of the Universal Church.

Do the Catholics teach Christ was crucified, died and resurrected? Yes or no.
If the anser is yes (and it is) they do not meet the Scriptural definition of an antichrist.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

So once again I ask you to show us exactly which of the above verses the Catholics are guilty of transgressing?
As I stated before they teach a false Messiah, lies pasted over the truth. Do you knoe anything about the religions of Babylon? Sun worship? The SUN being reborn? There is an exoteric and an esoteric doctrine, as in all the mystery religions, the Catholic Church is no different.

Again, the SUN died on their cross and was resurrected on SUNday, Yahshua did not resurrect on Sunday, anybody that can count to three twice and that understands the difference between Yahweh's calendar and the Babylonian calendar and understands babylonian religion, this is not even a question.

the SUN on their cross




THE SUN



Also is it not anti-Messiah to teach people to pray to through Mary and not THE MESSIAH?
 

Hizikyah

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If teaching Bablonian SUN worship in the name of Jesus is not anti-Messiha IDK what is.
 
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doulos

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Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws"

This is a prophecy about the anti-Messiah, and it matches the work of the Universal Church.



As I stated before they teach a false Messiah, lies pasted over the truth. Do you knoe anything about the religions of Babylon? Sun worship? The SUN being reborn? There is an exoteric and an esoteric doctrine, as in all the mystery religions, the Catholic Church is no different.

Again, the SUN died on their cross and was resurrected on SUNday, Yahshua did not resurrect on Sunday, anybody that can count to three twice and that understands the difference between Yahweh's calendar and the Babylonian calendar and understands babylonian religion, this is not even a question.

the SUN on their cross




THE SUN



Also is it not anti-Messiah to teach people to pray to through Mary and not THE MESSIAH?
Still obfuscating! I give you scripture you give me guesswork theology and copy and paste pictures. Sorry bother I'll stick with what Scripture says not your guess work theology and copy and paste internet pictures. Once again I will ask which of the following 4 verses (the only ones that mention antichrist) are the catholics guilty of transgressing?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
 
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doulos

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If teaching Bablonian SUN worship in the name of Jesus is not anti-Messiha IDK what is.

Catholics do not teach Babylonian sun worship.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Please quit obfuscating and answer the question which of the above 4 verses are the catholics guilty of transgressing? Isn't it time you set aside your slanderous accusations and base your belief about what antichrists are on Scripture instead of internet pictures and guesswork theology?
 

Hizikyah

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Still obfuscating! I give you scripture you give me guesswork theology and copy and paste pictures. Sorry bother I'll stick with what Scripture says not your guess work theology and copy and paste internet pictures. Once again I will ask which of the following 4 verses (the only ones that mention antichrist) are the catholics guilty of transgressing?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
So these verses are not fulfilled by the teaching of SUN god worship in place of Yahshua? By falsifying every true sign of the real Messiah, not to mention the sign the Yahshua said was the only GUARANTEED sign of the real MESSIAH? So how exactly is teaching a false version of the Messiah not denying the Messiah? I not to be rude, I say this in reasoning, if you say they teach the real Messiah I would respectfully ask you to do a little studying.
 
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doulos

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So these verses are not fulfilled by the teaching of SUN god worship in place of Yahshua? By falsifying every true sign of the real Messiah, not to mention the sign the Yahshua said was the only GUARANTEED sign of the real MESSIAH? So how exactly is teaching a false version of the Messiah not denying the Messiah? I not to be rude, I say this in reasoning, if you say they teach the real Messiah I would respectfully ask you to do a little studying.
Will you quit obfuscating and show us exactly which of the following verses the catholics are guilty of transgressing?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Your false accusations that Catholocism teaches Babylonian sun worship are without merit. Can you show us from Catholic writings where Babylonian sun worship is promoted or must you rely on guess work theology and internet pictures to come to that false conclusion? Please stop promoting fallacy. Start relying on Scripture instead of internet pictures and guess work theology if you want to find the truth!

Just because someone is in error on some of their beliefs does not make them antichrist. Are you sure everything you believe and teach is 100% correct? If not then by your standards what would that make you?
 
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Hizikyah

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Will you quit obfuscating and show us exactly which of the following verses the catholics are guilty of transgressing?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Your false accusations that Catholocism teaches Babylonian sun worship are without merit. Please stop promoting fallacy. Start relying on Scripture instead of internet pictures and guess work theology if you want to find the truth!

Just because someone is in error on some of their beliefs does not make them antichrist. Are you sure everything you believe and teach is 100% correct? If not then by your standards what would that make you?
Just because you choose that you dont like my answer doesnt mean im obfuscating, and for you to say "Your false accusations that Catholocism teaches Babylonian sun worship are without merit" To me this is like saying water is not wet.

I never said if someone is in error on some of their beliefs they are anti-Messiah, I spoke directly to a Church who teachs Babylonian SUN god worship and calls it Jesus, BLASPHEMOUS. Something I cant stand. am I perfect, NO! however I dont teach egg dying in the name of Jesus.

It clear this is not fruitful to either one of us, but I do want to ask you one question, not to continue in disagreement but to just see where you stand. What day do you think Yahshua was put in the grave and what day do you think He rose?
 
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doulos

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Just because you choose that you dont like my answer doesnt mean im obfuscating, and for you to say "Your false accusations that Catholocism teaches Babylonian sun worship are without merit" To me this is like saying water is not wet.

I never said if someone is in error on some of their beliefs they are anti-Messiah, I spoke directly to a Church who teachs Babylonian SUN god worship and calls it Jesus, BLASPHEMOUS. Something I cant stand. am I perfect, NO! however I dont teach egg dying in the name of Jesus.

It clear this is not fruitful to either one of us, but I do want to ask you one question, not to continue in disagreement but to just see where you stand. What day do you think Yahshua was put in the grave and what day do you think He rose?
Once again I will ask you to provide Catholic writnigs that promote babylonian sun worship, not just guess work theology and internet pictures. As for your question I'll answer it when youi show me which of the following 4 verses says that just because someone is in error on what day of the week Christ was resurrected makes them an antichrist!


1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Yes you are still obfuscating, you have been asked numerous times to show us which of the above verses the catholics are guilty of transgressing. While you have jumped through hoops to stand by your Scripturally bankrupt slanderous view you still have not shown which verse they are guilty of transgressing.

As you are led friend, as you are led!
 

Hizikyah

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We have went back and forth and I have answered your question more than once.

Here it is again a false version of the Messiah does deny the Messiah.

It is irrevevant if you agree or disagrre with my stance of the RCC teadhing, I know (you can say believe) they teach babylonian Sun god worship in place of the Messiah, this is denying the Messiah, period. So how is it in your mind that I answer with something you disagree with so its not an answer?

I think it is disrespectful that you will not answer my question about the day of Resurrection.
 
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doulos

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We have went back and forth and I have answered your question more than once.
No you have not. I asked you which of the following 4 verses the catholics transgress?
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.


Here it is again a false version of the Messiah does deny the Messiah.

It is irrevevant if you agree or disagrre with my stance of the RCC teadhing, I know (you can say believe) they teach babylonian Sun god worship in place of the Messiah, this is denying the Messiah, period. So how is it in your mind that I answer with something you disagree with so its not an answer?
So once again instead of showing us the verse Catholicism is transgressing you resort to the slanderous accusation that Catholocism teaches Babylonian sun worship.

I think it is disrespectful that you will not answer my question about the day of Resurrection.
It's not being disrespectful, it is called staying on the topic of the thread . As I said before if you can show me the verse that says a person who is in error concerning what day of the week the resurrection occured makes them an antichrist, I would answer. In other words prove that the question is on topic and we can discuss it otherwise it is irrelevant to the discussion and off topic. If you want to be disrespectful to the person who started this thread and change the topic that is your choice. As for me I see no point confusing the issue just because you can not provide Scripture to support your Scripturally bankrupt guesswork theology based on internet pictures and an improper understanding of what Catholicism teaches. I do agree that many of the catholic teachings are in error but none of their teachings deny Christ! It is a fact that Catholicism teaches Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected on the third day.

As you are led friend, as you are led!