when will the rapture happen

letti · Sep 29, 2013

Yes, it is a very real possibility. If the Rapture isn't of God's plan and isn't found in the Word, which it isn't, then it can only come from one source. For the Anti Christ to get the whole world to believe that he's the Messiah, won't he have to either stage a fake rapture or take credit for the real one? So, if there isn't a real one, he has to stage a fake one, otherwise nobody will think he is the real Messiah.

So, I think it a certainty that Anti-Christ has to fake a Rapture. He can't send these people to heaven so the only thing he can do is kill them in secret. He needs to kill 2 billion people and fast. The only place in the Bible where we see a mass murder of the magnitude to equal a Rapture in the future is the 6th trumpet. It is clearly Satan who orders the killing, in charge of the 200 million demon army. We see a corresponding great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. This group is crying and being comforted. We have a contrast of two groups in Isaiah 65 that seems to match Rev 7 perfectly down to the same 4 descriptions. These events would make one heck of a disaster movie.

The ELECT will be all that are left along with the 2 witnesses and 3 proclaiming angels. The rest of the World are unbelievers and easy prey for the Antichrist. This is the "Test" of Rev 3. This is the Tribulation and aligns perfectly with Jesus' warnings in Mat 24.

Plainword I agree with what you said actually most all of it,we are warned if any should say there is Christ believe him not.And just as Satan is the great counterfeiter it would only make sense for him to deceive this way could this be the hr of temptation to deceive even the elect if possible?

letti · Sep 29, 2013

OOP's You already mentioned that sorry.

Richie_2uk · Sep 29, 2013

Look, many people will try to determine when, and where, and how, and what's about the rapture. At the end of the day, No one will ever know, It will happen when it happens. And anyone will be a fool if they listen to these people who makes assumptions about the rapture. Don't rush God. He will come, and the rapture will happen, when God decides it to happen. Leave it to God for his time is perfect. our time is not perfect. So its not up to us to say when, where and how the rapture will come.

Yes there are signs in the bible that are happened, and starting to happen. that leads to the rapture. We are living in close times. But As I said it will happen when it happens. What we need to do, is prepare ourselves, and focus on our journey with God until the rapture comes.

God bless.............

PlainWord · Sep 29, 2013

letti said:

YES, YES, YES. You got it!! Satan was behind the Rapture lie from the beginning. It's his MO. Jesus tells us we will be persecuted and killed for his name sake. The Rapture says just the opposite. It's the same thing Satan did to Eve. God is going to be rightly furious with those who did NOT listen to HIS CLEAR TEACHING which he gives us all over the place. All the warnings are there about being deceived, about not coming out. The timing is given. If there was a rapture led by Jesus, we wouldn't be arguing about it. He would have taught it just as clearly as everything else he did teach.

The Rapture is a flat out LIE!! Satan will use it to get an enormous amount of Christians to worship him. HE will lead them somewhere and slaughter them like he did to 6 million Jews 70 years ago. History repeats, it always does. Bless you letti for "getting it." This is the Tribulation. It is this, plus God's wrath that follows this mass slaughter, nothing more, nothing less.

letti · Sep 29, 2013

PlainWord said:

I always believed this, But it's not a easy task to get all others to see it, very many won't believe they will refuse since it has been taught for so long. They want to believe a loving God wouldn't let the sheep suffer and they confuse the definition of Wrath and what it means with the definition of tribulation and what that means beind different.In the times Rome persecuted the saints of that time period they went through something called(Tribulation)not to ever be confused with wrath.The saints have always been persecuted and will be until Christ comes back once only.

letti · Sep 29, 2013

Darby deception.

Richie_2uk · Sep 29, 2013

PlainWord said:

YES, YES, YES. You got it!! Satan was behind the Rapture lie from the beginning. It's his MO. Jesus tells us we will be persecuted and killed for his name sake. The Rapture says just the opposite. It's the same thing Satan did to Eve. God is going to be rightly furious with those who did NOT listen to HIS CLEAR TEACHING which he gives us all over the place. All the warnings are there about being deceived, about not coming out. The timing is given. If there was a rapture led by Jesus, we wouldn't be arguing about it. He would have taught it just as clearly as everything else he did teach.

The Rapture is a flat out LIE!! Satan will use it to get an enormous amount of Christians to worship him. HE will lead them somewhere and slaughter them like he did to 6 million Jews 70 years ago. History repeats, it always does. Bless you letti for "getting it." This is the Tribulation. It is this, plus God's wrath that follows this mass slaughter, nothing more, nothing less.

We will see when it happens, if you believe its a lie, then you believe it as a lie. But Just remember who is the father of lies. and who blinds people with lies.

Blain · Sep 29, 2013

PlainWord said:

YES, YES, YES. You got it!! Satan was behind the Rapture lie from the beginning. It's his MO. Jesus tells us we will be persecuted and killed for his name sake. The Rapture says just the opposite. It's the same thing Satan did to Eve. God is going to be rightly furious with those who did NOT listen to HIS CLEAR TEACHING which he gives us all over the place. All the warnings are there about being deceived, about not coming out. The timing is given. If there was a rapture led by Jesus, we wouldn't be arguing about it. He would have taught it just as clearly as everything else he did teach.

The Rapture is a flat out LIE!! Satan will use it to get an enormous amount of Christians to worship him. HE will lead them somewhere and slaughter them like he did to 6 million Jews 70 years ago. History repeats, it always does. Bless you letti for "getting it." This is the Tribulation. It is this, plus God's wrath that follows this mass slaughter, nothing more, nothing less.

huh..... so because it goes against your beliefs it's a lie and not only that was started by the devil himself? this is also not the tribulation, trust me the tribulation will be far more than you can bear. Honestly dying would be better than going through it.

letti · Sep 29, 2013

I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ but I have to be honest all lies do come from the devil ,and if it is a lie then it must come from the father of lies?Tribulation is also defined by persecution of the saints which is going on as we speak in different places around the World,but it will only spread and increase.

letti · Sep 29, 2013

That is what Christ meant When he said they will deliver you to tribulation=persecution and death,and one needs to only go online to read stories of it going on around the globe.

Blain · Sep 29, 2013

letti said:

However the issue is having the discernment to tell the truth from the lies. the issue I have is people assume anything they don't believe in is a lie or from the devil. I once believed certain things but I was willing to believe that my belief could be wrong. so I humbled myself in front of the lord to find out if my belief was in fact a truth or lie and found I was wrong. you see just because it goes against our beliefs does not make it a lie. we can look to the word for the truth but I am afraid even the word is not enough because people easily twist it to fit their beliefs because they look for the truth in the word but not with the right heart. they only see what they want to see

letti · Sep 29, 2013

I firmly believe rapture is a lie I once did believe it and had a revelation that I was being deceived so I did old testament study as well as new testament study and what I came up with is I had believed men and what they taught instead of believing what was right in front of me all along in scripture which speaks for it self.

letti · Sep 29, 2013

But.I do not mock or ridicule, those that believe the rapture I try to tell them what I believe,and then I pray.

GRA · Sep 29, 2013

Trax said:

Day of the Lord - fear, judgement, wrath
Day of Christ - hope, deliverance, blessing

GRA,.....WHICH DAY are you appointed for???

You keep preaching "second coming." That isn't in the KJV. Clue in on this issue. Focus cause this
is IMPORTANT. People make an issue of the word "rapture" not being in the Bible. Well, "second
coming" is NOT there either. People use "human defined terms" and make God's word FIT THEIR
concept of THEIR OWN DEFINED TERMS. GRA, this is your structure, your logic and reasoning.
You keep trying to make it all fit your idea, your terms, your conclusions. But God's word don't
fit what you think. You are locked into and fixated on the term "second coming." But its a human
definition and you trying to force BOTH days into it. You are going to face the Day of the Lord or the
Day of Christ. There is no middle ground for you dude. No middle ground for anyone.
If you are still here on the earth, when Jesus returns, you were never part of the church and you went through
the Day of the Lord. The whole earth is going to be shaken in God's wrath. The church can NOT be here.
He promised He would keep us from it.

To get from THIS DAY, to the return of Jesus, while ON THE EARTH, means you have to face
and go through the Day of the Lord.

1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
G4991 Salvation: Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.
The Day of the Lord, God's wrath, we are NOT appointed for it. But we (the church) are to obtain rescue,
deliver, safety, saving,.....by WHO, By Jesus.

Which day are you appointed for? Day of the Lord or the Day of Christ?

*** Shakes Head ***

I noticed you ignored my post completely...

They are the same day / event to me.

I am not "fixated" on anything --- the phrase 'Second Coming of Christ' is simply a descriptive term for the next "coming" of Jesus -- He has been here once ( the 'First' coming ) - the next time will be the 'Second' coming...

There will not be a third coming...

CoooCaw · Sep 29, 2013

letti said:

get it right;

it is a Daniel Jesus John Paul deception

GRA · Sep 29, 2013

GRA said:

This is so "clear-cut" to me -- that I sometimes momentarily forget that some other people believe that the 'Wrath of God' is part of the 'tribulation period'...

Well --- I do not believe that it is.

If anything -- the tribulation period is the 'wrath of Satan'.

The 'tribulation period' is before the return of Christ.

The 'Wrath of God' is after the return of Christ.

There are at least 3.5 years between them.

( the two witnesses )

However - everyone is entitled to believe what they will...

"To each his own..."

CoooCaw · Sep 29, 2013

hope36523 said:

2 june 2031
930am jerusalem time

Trax · Oct 1, 2013

GRA said:

You are correct when you say it is the same event to "you." And that is the issue.
The Jews had a "ONE coming" of the Christ mentality, and missed it. That box labeled
"one coming", they put everything in, and when Jesus didn't do the conquering King,
then Jesus wasn't the Christ. You and others got the same outlook, "one coming"
and you try to force everything else, into that box. And you did NOT show where the Bible
clearly states how many times the Christ will come. No where does it state "second coming."
Stick with what the Bible says.

No matter how hard you try, to force everything into the box labeled "one coming",
one thing can not be forced in. That is, 1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath,
but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
You can't just push that verse aside. You have to deal with it. It wont fit the "one coming"
outlook. If you are on the planet, when God pours out His wrath, you are appointed to that wrath.
You are either getting it or you delivered from it. There wont be any safe places on the
planet.
Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place,
in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

1. There wont be any church safe zones, on the planet, during God's wrath.
2. The church isn't appointed for wrath
3. Between now and your "second coming" is God's wrath and the shaking of the earth

Just where do you plan on being during God's wrath?

CoooCaw · Oct 1, 2013

GRA said:

this is known as the yoyo rapture

one theory is we hover in the air for 45 days until Christ remakes the earth beneath us

GRA · Oct 1, 2013

Trax said:

True. Unless it is "standing behind Jesus as He dishes it out"... ( from the surface, if He is not in the air )

Trax said:

True.

Trax said:

Not true.

Technically - the way I see it - the Wrath of God is part of the Second Coming of Christ - the last part.

Trax said:

"Most likely -- in my glorified body - standing behind Jesus as He dishes it out --- from the surface or in the air..."

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