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and i gave a response in the other thread, and i must not have seen what you seen, because i didn't see an error, i seen in KJV that they was being told to flee to, and seen in Greek, why they was told to flee to that there would be protection. How can you say because i can't see an error, i have scales, i'm not saying that you have scales because you see error. No one has yet showed me an error.
Hi megaman. Bible agnostics and unbelievers in the infallibility of the Bible seem to never actually get around to answering the fundamental question. I have seen this type of evasions and dancing around numerous times before. megaman, Can you give us a straight answer to a simple question? Go ahead and give it a shot. Do you believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS the complete, inspired and infallible words of God and that when other versions differ from this infallible bible of yours either in text or meaning, then your infallible Bible is right and the others are wrong? Yes or No? Do you believe such a Bible exists? Do you have it? What is it called? Thanks.
I saw your example in Zechariah 14:5 and it is just plain looney. The KJB follows the Hebrew Masorretic text and virtually every Bible in any language that follows the Hebrew text reads the same way. Even your article said the Hebrew word is Azal, just as the KJB has it. What is your complete and infallible Bible? Do you even have one? Or are you just another typical Bible Rummager who picks and chooses individual readings and verses according to your own understanding and have thus made yourself your "Final Authority"? If you have an infallible Bible,then kindly tell us exactly which one it is. Thanks.
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The Hebrew text says Azal and so does the KJB. So why do you think the KJB is wrong somehow? What version are you recommending, the so called Greek Septuagint? Do you have a WHOLE BIBLE that you believe is God's infallible words or do you just rummage through the various contradictory versions and pick out the parts you happen to like at the moment?
The Hebrew text says Azal and so does the KJB. So why do you think the KJB is wrong somehow? What version are you recommending, the so called Greek Septuagint? Do you have a WHOLE BIBLE that you believe is God's infallible words or do you just rummage through the various contradictory versions and pick out the parts you happen to like at the moment?
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So instead of actually refuting any of the facts I presented, you evade that and want to change the subject back to your little dog-and-pony show of trickery and wordy deceiptions.
No, you start by addressing the facts I posted on page one, and admit that Jesus didn't speak KJV English, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, maybe I'll come back to this question. Until then, I am not your puppet, and I do now have to play your cult games.
No, you start by addressing the facts I posted on page one, and admit that Jesus didn't speak KJV English, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, maybe I'll come back to this question. Until then, I am not your puppet, and I do now have to play your cult games.
Did you read the study that proves the King James version, as well as every other Masoretic Text version, of Zechariah 14:5 is wrong? > Deciphering Zechariah 14:5 | An indepth analysis of Zechariah 14:5
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I believe that the bible teaches us about the past. It teaches us how God worked in the past and should work today. I believe that God calls prophets and talks face to face with them. They are God's mouthpiece here on earth. Their writing is as if Christ himself was speaking. The very existence of the bible testifies that God worked that way and that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. One unchanging principle that the bible testifies of is that prophets are needed throughout history. Otherwise, Adam would have written what God told Him and we still would be using that same writing today. That is not the case. God continues to reveal his commandments through prophets who live in the present time and who are aware of the present day challenges. The bible is a tool God uses to teach us how he works and is a record of the life and works of his son. But if we truly believe in the bible, we should be seeking for the same things that existed then to exist today. The bible teaches us we can find truth by personal revelation: that the spirit can lead us to truth. Instead of arguing about different interpretation of the bible has anybody thought to go to God in prayer asking that if he has a prophet who talks to Him today, that you would like to be led to Him. If God led you through the spirit to a prophet today, would you be humble enough to accept him or continue to trust only in your own interpretations of his recorded words in the past? I know there are prophets and apostles today who are led by Jesus Christ to guide us in modern times, but just like the prophets and apostles of old, few seek them or believe them because they trust their own will and do not humbly seek the God of the bible in prayer having faith that he has not been sleeping since the time the last page of the bible was written.
Okay so let me then ask you this question: Do you believe that the Bible is the Inerrant word of God?
Yes our Lord Jesus Christ did indeed speak Hebrew and also Aramaic. But again; Jesus said that His words would not pass away, therefore we must have His words.
And again; my question to you is: if they are not in the Authorized Version which is basically what you are implying, then where are those words?
John 14:23-24 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24] He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
1 Timothy 6:3-5 KJV
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; [4] He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, [5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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Read Numbers chapter 11, and focus on the issue of "I like this bible version better."
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
My whole desire is to get people, who claim to be saved, to stop with the self-pleasing
ways, where God's word is concerned, and start applying God pleasing ways. To start off
on the wrong foot is not good. One can go for months and years before it occurs that
something is wrong, if it even occurs to them. The Bible a person chooses is the first step.
Let God direct your foot and not yourself. Don't use a Bible because it pleases "me",
but because God pointed it out. Let God be the top priority when choosing a Bible.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
My whole desire is to get people, who claim to be saved, to stop with the self-pleasing
ways, where God's word is concerned, and start applying God pleasing ways. To start off
on the wrong foot is not good. One can go for months and years before it occurs that
something is wrong, if it even occurs to them. The Bible a person chooses is the first step.
Let God direct your foot and not yourself. Don't use a Bible because it pleases "me",
but because God pointed it out. Let God be the top priority when choosing a Bible.
God bless you brother ChosenByHim.
John 14:23-24 Jesus answered, and said unto him, If any man love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and will dwell with him. He that loveth me not, keepeth not my words, and the word which ye hear, is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (1599 Geneva)
1 Tim 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and consenteth not to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, He is puffed up and knoweth nothing, but doteth about questions and strive of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Froward disputations of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, which think that gain is godliness: from such separate thyself. (1599 Geneva)
John 14:23-24 Jesus answered, and said unto him, If any man love me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and will dwell with him. He that loveth me not, keepeth not my words, and the word which ye hear, is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. (1599 Geneva)
1 Tim 6:3-5 If any man teach otherwise, and consenteth not to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, He is puffed up and knoweth nothing, but doteth about questions and strive of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Froward disputations of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, which think that gain is godliness: from such separate thyself. (1599 Geneva)
Hi Brother_Don, I've been thinking about this--the KJV has minor errors here and there if one is determined to strain at a gnat. Here's one issue that is totally unrelated to theology or salvation--the translation of Strong's H809.
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, [even] among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece [of flesh], and a flagon [of wine]. ... (KJV PCE)
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, both to men and women, to every one a cake of bread, and a cake made in a pan, and a sweet cake. ... (JPS 1917)
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, both to men and women, to every one a cake of bread, and a portion of flesh, and a cake of raisins. ... (ERV 1885)
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon says that the JPS and ERV are correct.
Hebrew Lexicon :: H809 (KJV)
On a more serious note--which KJV edition? In KJV editing, "Spirit" vs. "spirit" is important. Here's a comparison of two Cambridge editions, it gets more complicated if one includes Oxford editions.
Actually, it's going to be complicated anyway because generally the final authority for English definitions are old editions of the Oxford English Dictionary with Oxford spelling. Sigh.
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, [even] among the whole multitude of Israel, as well to the women as men, to every one a cake of bread, and a good piece [of flesh], and a flagon [of wine]. ... (KJV PCE)
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, both to men and women, to every one a cake of bread, and a cake made in a pan, and a sweet cake. ... (JPS 1917)
2 Sam 6:19 And he dealt among all the people, even among the whole multitude of Israel, both to men and women, to every one a cake of bread, and a portion of flesh, and a cake of raisins. ... (ERV 1885)
Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon says that the JPS and ERV are correct.
Hebrew Lexicon :: H809 (KJV)
On a more serious note--which KJV edition? In KJV editing, "Spirit" vs. "spirit" is important. Here's a comparison of two Cambridge editions, it gets more complicated if one includes Oxford editions.
Actually, it's going to be complicated anyway because generally the final authority for English definitions are old editions of the Oxford English Dictionary with Oxford spelling. Sigh.
Numbers 11 - 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
1 The people murmureth, and is punished with fire. 4 The people lusteth after flesh. B They loathe Manna. 11 The weak faith of Moses. 16 The Lord divided the burden of Moses to seventy of the Ancients. 31 The Lord sendeth quails. 33 Their lust is punished.
1 When the people became [a] murmurers, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it, therefore his wrath was kindled, and the fire of the Lord burnt among them, and (A) consumed the utmost part of the host.
2 Then the people cried unto Moses: and when Moses prayed unto the Lord, the fire was quenched.
3 And he called the name of the place [c] Taberah, because the fire of the Lord burnt among them.
4 ¶ And a number of [d] people that was among them, fell a lusting, and [e] turned away, and the children of Israel also wept, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
5 We remember the fish which we did eat in Egypt for [f] nought, the cucumbers, and the pepons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic.
6 But now our soul is [g] dried away, we can see nothing but this Manna.
7 (The Manna also was as (B) coriander seed, and his color like the color of [h] bdellium.
8 The people went about and gathered, and ground it in mills, or beat it in mortars, and baked it in a cauldron, and made cakes of it, and the taste of it was like unto the taste of fresh oil.
9 And when the dew fell down upon the host in night, the Manna fell with it.)
10 ¶ Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent, and the wrath of the Lord was grievously kindled: also Moses was grieved.
11 And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou vexed thy servant? and why have I not found [j] favor in thy sight, seeing thou hast put the charge of all this people upon me?
12 Have I [k] conceived all this people? or have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom (as a nurse beareth the sucking child) unto the [l] land, for the which thou swarest unto their fathers?
13 Where should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh that we may eat.
14 I am not able to bear all this people alone, for it is too heavy for me.
15 Therefore if thou deal thus with me, I pray thee, if I have found favor in thy [m] sight, kill me, that I behold not my misery.
16 ¶ Then the Lord said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the Elders of Israel, whom thou knowest, that they are the Elders of the people, and governors over them, and bring them unto the Tabernacle of the Congregation, and let them stand there with thee.
17 And I will come down, and talk with thee there, [n] and take of the Spirit, which is upon thee, and put upon them, and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee: so thou shalt not bear it alone.
18 Furthermore thou shalt say unto the people, [o] Be sanctified against tomorrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for you have wept in the ears of the Lord, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for we were better in Egypt: therefore the Lord will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
19 Ye shall not eat one day nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days,
20 But a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and be loathsome unto you, because ye have [p] contemned the Lord, which is [q] among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we hither out of Egypt?
21 And Moses said, Six hundred thousand footmen are there of the people, [r] among whom I am: and thou sayest, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a month long.
22 Shall the sheep and the beeves be slain for them to find them? either shall all the fish of the Sea be gathered together for them to suffice them?
23 And the Lord said unto Moses, Is (C) the Lord’s hand shortened? thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee, or no.
24 ¶ So Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered seventy men of the Elders of the people, and set them round about the Tabernacle.
25 Then the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and put it upon the seventy Ancient men: and when the Spirit rested upon them, then they prophesied, and did not [t] cease.
26 But there remained two of the men in the host: the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad, and the Spirit rested upon them, (for they were of them that were written, and went not out unto the Tabernacle) and they prophesied in the host.
27 Then there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the host.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun the servant of Moses one of his young men answered and said, My lord Moses, [v] forbid them.
29 But Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? yea, would God that all the Lord’s people were Prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them.
30 And Moses returned into the host, he and the Elders of Israel.
31 Then there went forth a wind from the Lord, and (D) brought quails from the sea, and let them fall upon the camp, a day’s journey on this side, and a day’s journey on the other side, round about the host, and they were about two cubits above the earth.
32 Then the people arose, all that day, and all the night, and all the next day, and gathered the quails: he that gathered the least, gathered ten [w] Homers full, and they spread them abroad for their use round about the host.
33 While the flesh was yet between their teeth, before it was chewed, even the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord (E) smote the people with an exceeding great plague.
34 So the name of the place was called, [x] Kibroth Hattaavah: for there they buried the people that fell a lusting.
35 From Kibroth Hattaavah the people took their journey to Hazeroth, and abode at Hazeroth.
Footnotes:
Numbers 11:1 Hebrew, as unjust complainers.
Numbers 11:1 Hebrew, it was evil in the ears of the Lord.
Numbers 11:3 Or, burning.
Numbers 11:4 Which were of those strangers that came out of Egypt with them, Exod. 12:38.
Numbers 11:4 From God.
Numbers 11:5 For a small price, or good cheap.
Numbers 11:6 For the greedy lust of flesh.
Numbers 11:7 Which is a white pearl, or precious stone.
Numbers 11:11 Or, evil intreated.
Numbers 11:11 Or, wherein have I displeased thee?
Numbers 11:12 Am I their father, that none may have the charge of them but I?
Numbers 11:12 Of Canaan promised by an oath to our fathers.
Numbers 11:15 I had rather die than to see my grief and misery thus daily increase by their rebellion.
Numbers 11:17 I will distribute my spirit among them, as I have done to thee.
Numbers 11:18 Prepare yourselves that ye be not unclean.
Numbers 11:20 Or, cast him off, because ye refused Manna, which he appointed as most meet for you.
Numbers 11:20 Who leadeth and governeth you.
Numbers 11:21 Of whom I have the charge.
Numbers 11:25 Or, separated, verse 17.
Numbers 11:25 From that day the spirit of prophecy did not fail them.
Numbers 11:28 Or, a young man whom he had chosen from his youth.
Numbers 11:28 Such blind zeal was in the Apostles, Mark 9:38; Luke 9:44.
Numbers 11:32 Of Homer, read Lev. 27:16, also it signifieth an heap, as Exod. 8:14; Judg. 15:16.
Numbers 11:34 Or, graves of lust.
Cross references:
Numbers 11:1 : Ps. 78:21
Numbers 11:7 : Exod. 16:31; Ps. 78:24; John 6:31
Numbers 11:23 : Isa. 50:2; Isa. 59:1
Numbers 11:31 : Exod. 16:13; Ps. 78:26,27
Numbers 11:33 : Ps. 78:31
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1 The people murmureth, and is punished with fire. 4 The people lusteth after flesh. B They loathe Manna. 11 The weak faith of Moses. 16 The Lord divided the burden of Moses to seventy of the Ancients. 31 The Lord sendeth quails. 33 Their lust is punished.
1 When the people became [a] murmurers, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it, therefore his wrath was kindled, and the fire of the Lord burnt among them, and (A) consumed the utmost part of the host.
2 Then the people cried unto Moses: and when Moses prayed unto the Lord, the fire was quenched.
3 And he called the name of the place [c] Taberah, because the fire of the Lord burnt among them.
4 ¶ And a number of [d] people that was among them, fell a lusting, and [e] turned away, and the children of Israel also wept, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
5 We remember the fish which we did eat in Egypt for [f] nought, the cucumbers, and the pepons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic.
6 But now our soul is [g] dried away, we can see nothing but this Manna.
7 (The Manna also was as (B) coriander seed, and his color like the color of [h] bdellium.
8 The people went about and gathered, and ground it in mills, or beat it in mortars, and baked it in a cauldron, and made cakes of it, and the taste of it was like unto the taste of fresh oil.
9 And when the dew fell down upon the host in night, the Manna fell with it.)
10 ¶ Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families, every man in the door of his tent, and the wrath of the Lord was grievously kindled: also Moses was grieved.
11 And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou vexed thy servant? and why have I not found [j] favor in thy sight, seeing thou hast put the charge of all this people upon me?
12 Have I [k] conceived all this people? or have I begotten them, that thou shouldest say unto me, Carry them in thy bosom (as a nurse beareth the sucking child) unto the [l] land, for the which thou swarest unto their fathers?
13 Where should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh that we may eat.
14 I am not able to bear all this people alone, for it is too heavy for me.
15 Therefore if thou deal thus with me, I pray thee, if I have found favor in thy [m] sight, kill me, that I behold not my misery.
16 ¶ Then the Lord said unto Moses, Gather unto me seventy men of the Elders of Israel, whom thou knowest, that they are the Elders of the people, and governors over them, and bring them unto the Tabernacle of the Congregation, and let them stand there with thee.
17 And I will come down, and talk with thee there, [n] and take of the Spirit, which is upon thee, and put upon them, and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee: so thou shalt not bear it alone.
18 Furthermore thou shalt say unto the people, [o] Be sanctified against tomorrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for you have wept in the ears of the Lord, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for we were better in Egypt: therefore the Lord will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
19 Ye shall not eat one day nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days,
20 But a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and be loathsome unto you, because ye have [p] contemned the Lord, which is [q] among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we hither out of Egypt?
21 And Moses said, Six hundred thousand footmen are there of the people, [r] among whom I am: and thou sayest, I will give them flesh, that they may eat a month long.
22 Shall the sheep and the beeves be slain for them to find them? either shall all the fish of the Sea be gathered together for them to suffice them?
23 And the Lord said unto Moses, Is (C) the Lord’s hand shortened? thou shalt see now whether my word shall come to pass unto thee, or no.
24 ¶ So Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered seventy men of the Elders of the people, and set them round about the Tabernacle.
25 Then the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and put it upon the seventy Ancient men: and when the Spirit rested upon them, then they prophesied, and did not [t] cease.
26 But there remained two of the men in the host: the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad, and the Spirit rested upon them, (for they were of them that were written, and went not out unto the Tabernacle) and they prophesied in the host.
27 Then there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the host.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun the servant of Moses one of his young men answered and said, My lord Moses, [v] forbid them.
29 But Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? yea, would God that all the Lord’s people were Prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them.
30 And Moses returned into the host, he and the Elders of Israel.
31 Then there went forth a wind from the Lord, and (D) brought quails from the sea, and let them fall upon the camp, a day’s journey on this side, and a day’s journey on the other side, round about the host, and they were about two cubits above the earth.
32 Then the people arose, all that day, and all the night, and all the next day, and gathered the quails: he that gathered the least, gathered ten [w] Homers full, and they spread them abroad for their use round about the host.
33 While the flesh was yet between their teeth, before it was chewed, even the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord (E) smote the people with an exceeding great plague.
34 So the name of the place was called, [x] Kibroth Hattaavah: for there they buried the people that fell a lusting.
35 From Kibroth Hattaavah the people took their journey to Hazeroth, and abode at Hazeroth.
Footnotes:
Numbers 11:1 Hebrew, as unjust complainers.
Numbers 11:1 Hebrew, it was evil in the ears of the Lord.
Numbers 11:3 Or, burning.
Numbers 11:4 Which were of those strangers that came out of Egypt with them, Exod. 12:38.
Numbers 11:4 From God.
Numbers 11:5 For a small price, or good cheap.
Numbers 11:6 For the greedy lust of flesh.
Numbers 11:7 Which is a white pearl, or precious stone.
Numbers 11:11 Or, evil intreated.
Numbers 11:11 Or, wherein have I displeased thee?
Numbers 11:12 Am I their father, that none may have the charge of them but I?
Numbers 11:12 Of Canaan promised by an oath to our fathers.
Numbers 11:15 I had rather die than to see my grief and misery thus daily increase by their rebellion.
Numbers 11:17 I will distribute my spirit among them, as I have done to thee.
Numbers 11:18 Prepare yourselves that ye be not unclean.
Numbers 11:20 Or, cast him off, because ye refused Manna, which he appointed as most meet for you.
Numbers 11:20 Who leadeth and governeth you.
Numbers 11:21 Of whom I have the charge.
Numbers 11:25 Or, separated, verse 17.
Numbers 11:25 From that day the spirit of prophecy did not fail them.
Numbers 11:28 Or, a young man whom he had chosen from his youth.
Numbers 11:28 Such blind zeal was in the Apostles, Mark 9:38; Luke 9:44.
Numbers 11:32 Of Homer, read Lev. 27:16, also it signifieth an heap, as Exod. 8:14; Judg. 15:16.
Numbers 11:34 Or, graves of lust.
Cross references:
Numbers 11:1 : Ps. 78:21
Numbers 11:7 : Exod. 16:31; Ps. 78:24; John 6:31
Numbers 11:23 : Isa. 50:2; Isa. 59:1
Numbers 11:31 : Exod. 16:13; Ps. 78:26,27
Numbers 11:33 : Ps. 78:31
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You might be light-years ahead of me in this, but I switched to KJV about a year ago, after reading up on the newer versions, after having been disgusted with the more recent NIV 2010 (?) version (which had diluted scriptures more than I had been used to - NIV 1984 (?)). In my readings, I discovered the NIV had translated some verses etc. in ways I considered deceptive/suspicious. One example is below, where it seems the translation had rephrased a verse that could be used as proof (e.g. to JWs) that Jesus Christ is God.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. [He doesn't necessarily mean God].
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. [God clearly means God was manifest in the flesh - i.e. Jesus is God].
My understanding is that 'cause the KJV is older, its given our enemies less time to tamper with the text. If I could go to Geneva or Tyndale or something (i.e. if it was cost effective), I would (I think the Puritans used the Geneva, and Tyndale seems to have been far more trustworthy than James). Even better would be to learn the Hebrew and Greek, and get the original texts, but that kind of thing doesn't happen overnight.
1 Timothy 3:16 (NIV) Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. [He doesn't necessarily mean God].
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. [God clearly means God was manifest in the flesh - i.e. Jesus is God].
My understanding is that 'cause the KJV is older, its given our enemies less time to tamper with the text. If I could go to Geneva or Tyndale or something (i.e. if it was cost effective), I would (I think the Puritans used the Geneva, and Tyndale seems to have been far more trustworthy than James). Even better would be to learn the Hebrew and Greek, and get the original texts, but that kind of thing doesn't happen overnight.