What Laws are still valid to christians
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Law is for the Law breakers, and Christ is the end of the Law breakers, in the Spirit of God. Born again in the Spirit of God received from God, one is no more a Law breaker, in Christ and serves God in the Spirit 24/7
Yet being in unredeemed flesh their is the propensity to sin on occasion, yet we are written the truth that is all done in Christ so we in response to Christ through trusting Father that lives in us through the Holy Ghost, that we sin not.
[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]New International Version (NIV)
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:12
[ Reasons for Writing ] I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
[h=3]1 John 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)
3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. [SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
Yet being in unredeemed flesh their is the propensity to sin on occasion, yet we are written the truth that is all done in Christ so we in response to Christ through trusting Father that lives in us through the Holy Ghost, that we sin not.
[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]New International Version (NIV)
2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:12
[ Reasons for Writing ] I am writing to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
[h=3]1 John 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)
3 See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. [SUP]3 [/SUP]All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. [SUP]9 [/SUP]No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.
Yep, Christ showed us to be 100% dependent on Father as he was, through the Holy Ghost that led him. This has been given to us by Father
[h=3]Colossians 2:8-12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
[h=3]Colossians 2:8-12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. [SUP]11 [/SUP]In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, [SUP]12 [/SUP]having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
And no one is capable in doing these in perfection, only Christ here on the earth in the flesh did. So we must receive new life in the Spirit of God from God through belief in God.
so when one sees this type of love from God then
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us.
No other way to truly love, without God's love first, then we might see:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ
so when one sees this type of love from God then
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us.
No other way to truly love, without God's love first, then we might see:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, [SUP]17 [/SUP]so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ
Without the fulfill of Law and Prophets, then a new Covenant could not have been put in place:
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Hebrews 12:24 and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Hebrews 12:24 and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Translated = metatithemi = transfer; transpose; change (essentially, "translated")
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Changed = metatithemi = transfer; transpose; change (essentially, "translated")
Change = metathesis = (from metatithemi) transfer from one place to another; to change (i.e. translate)
So, yes, it was changed in a sense. But the sense in which it was changed was that there was a copy of it in Heaven (i.e. transfered from Earth to Heaven in the sense of being translated). Remember that abstract concepts, when translated, always leave behind their original forms - unlike the translation of people. It is said that there is a temple in Heaven and an ark. Jesus is in Heaven, and he is our High Priest. To every earthly counterpart there is a heavenly one. I think that's why Paul/Peter/Luke/Barnabas/whoever you believe wrote/dictated Hebrews uses the example of Enoch with regard to the law. Just as Christ was transfered to Heaven, so the Law had to be transfered with him in order for him to be our proper High Priest. Or so the jargon goes.
In my opinion, if there's ever been a heavenly version of the Law it's always existed alongside the earthly Law, because the heavenly order has always existed. Jesus had always performed the duties of a High Priest in making intersession for us. But that doesn't mean he's ever performed the ritualistic duties of an earthly high priest. I don't believe that was his function, and it would be kind of pointless since the earthly high priests pointed to him.
Yup. The NT does not contradict and do away with the OT. Covenants have been replaced; but God's rules remain for our sake. Christ didn't come and abolish the Law. He came to make it more extensive - more inclusive - by filling it up with the spirit of love and thereby showing us how it should be observed. The Law is not unprofitable. But it (being included by virtue of the phrase all Scripture) is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness [...]" For correction, you say? What would that refer to? A system of rules by the which we can judge and correct our behavior?
At any rate, I see where this is going. I've had a few of these types of discussions with people in the past. They've been interesting, too, and I always learn something new. Some agree while others disagree. Essentially it comes down to what people are comfortable with and what they want for their lives. Some people just want a more involved daily relationship with God, to be constantly reminded of God, to have plenty of opportunities to serve him and make him happy. God's regulations are there for those who want this close walk with him.
Translated = metatithemi = transfer; transpose; change (essentially, "translated")
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Changed = metatithemi = transfer; transpose; change (essentially, "translated")
Change = metathesis = (from metatithemi) transfer from one place to another; to change (i.e. translate)
So, yes, it was changed in a sense. But the sense in which it was changed was that there was a copy of it in Heaven (i.e. transfered from Earth to Heaven in the sense of being translated). Remember that abstract concepts, when translated, always leave behind their original forms - unlike the translation of people. It is said that there is a temple in Heaven and an ark. Jesus is in Heaven, and he is our High Priest. To every earthly counterpart there is a heavenly one. I think that's why Paul/Peter/Luke/Barnabas/whoever you believe wrote/dictated Hebrews uses the example of Enoch with regard to the law. Just as Christ was transfered to Heaven, so the Law had to be transfered with him in order for him to be our proper High Priest. Or so the jargon goes.
In my opinion, if there's ever been a heavenly version of the Law it's always existed alongside the earthly Law, because the heavenly order has always existed. Jesus had always performed the duties of a High Priest in making intersession for us. But that doesn't mean he's ever performed the ritualistic duties of an earthly high priest. I don't believe that was his function, and it would be kind of pointless since the earthly high priests pointed to him.Yup. The NT does not contradict and do away with the OT. Covenants have been replaced; but God's rules remain for our sake. Christ didn't come and abolish the Law. He came to make it more extensive - more inclusive - by filling it up with the spirit of love and thereby showing us how it should be observed. The Law is not unprofitable. But it (being included by virtue of the phrase all Scripture) is "profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness [...]" For correction, you say? What would that refer to? A system of rules by the which we can judge and correct our behavior?
At any rate, I see where this is going. I've had a few of these types of discussions with people in the past. They've been interesting, too, and I always learn something new.
Some agree while others disagree. Essentially it comes down to what people are comfortable with and what they want for their lives. Some people just want a more involved daily relationship with God, to be constantly reminded of God, to have plenty of opportunities to serve him and make him happy. God's regulations are there for those who want this close walk with him.
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Oh, that's good thought. I think that's surely it's true and Jesus had learned how to listened Heaven Father. But I am also think that is the Scripture was as a tool to understanding God's will and understanding what is happening within Son of Man. And without this knowledge we have not a change to learned from His experience.
Heb 2:18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
So in that point His soul has been attacked from what is come without and He needed learn how to deal with thoughts and other temptations whatsoever.
Heb 2:18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
So in that point His soul has been attacked from what is come without and He needed learn how to deal with thoughts and other temptations whatsoever.
The Law is simply a description of how the Father and Christ have lived for eternity. They do not have to think about, or struggle to keep the Law, the way thive is described by the Law. It is we who have human nature and are susceptible to the broadcasting of Satan and the demons. We struggle to live as they live.
Actually if we want to be absolutely correct here there is one Law, the Law of Love. It summarizes two great commands, Love God and Love your neighbor. These two Laws summarize Ten Commands: Love God is the summary of the first four and Love your neighbor summarizes the last six. (Actually, the fifth Commandment is a transitional Commandment. We must love our human parents, but above all, we must love our heavenly Parent.)
Simple example:
Take two styrofoam cups, fill one with completely full of water and hold it in your right hand. Take the other empty in your left hand. Now, crush the one in your left hand and discard it. Which one did you fulfill (fill full)? The one you discarded? Or the one that was filled up completely? Now which one is still in use and fulfilling it's intended use?
Take two styrofoam cups, fill one with completely full of water and hold it in your right hand. Take the other empty in your left hand. Now, crush the one in your left hand and discard it. Which one did you fulfill (fill full)? The one you discarded? Or the one that was filled up completely? Now which one is still in use and fulfilling it's intended use?
