Pastor John Hagee is an antichrist

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He is a heretic. I'm not judging the man, I'm judging his words (i.e. his false gospel), and his actions (his preaching of his false gospel). Heresy is evil, yes, and I won't be cowed into silence against an obvious heretic. I really can't understand how Christians can support this man, hence why I don't hesitate to speak out against his lies.

John Hagee - We must stop Iran ?? - YouTube

Can you honestly not see that this man is preaching heresies, or is the point of your post to direct me to be silent with respect to his heresies?
 
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You got it wrong about Pastor Hagee, along with others who do not like the fact he supports Israel and encourages others to do the same.
I don't about others but I'm a Zionist and I support Israel just as much as I support the United States. This thread is about salvation through Jesus Christ--not Zionism, not Israel.

He is not just all talk like some here on this site, but is a man of faith and of action and has been doing this for some 50 years.
What exactly has he been doing? -> Critics say John Hagee's compensation is too high

Matt 6:24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Luke 16:13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Some of you are just plain ignorant in your understanding and you have a problem with how you receive truth. This thread is a typical example.
Well inform us then, we'll receive your word with all readiness of mind ...

Acts 17:10-11 ¶ And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

... and, again, the issue is salvation through Jesus Christ.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
 
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You just can't get it out fast enough because it's right there in the old heart and it comes right out with hardly any effort or hesitation. You sound just like the world who loves to analyse every word and action with ready labels to discredit those they think should know better. Come right out with it and tell everyone that you not only think Pastor John Hagee is evil but you know with certainty that he is evil because of his fruit, RIGHT? All those believers that worship at his assembly meetings all these years must all be deceived and just as evil as their pastor. You have it all figured and measured out just like others do with Billy Graham and C.S. Scofield and some others I won't mention.
This thread is about John Hagee who doesn't believe in preaching the gospel to the Jewish people of Israel or anywhere else.

John Hagee -> John Hagee And His False Teachings On Israel! | SOUL REFUGE

"Trying to convert Jews is a “waste of time,” he [Hagee] said. ...
Everyone else, whether Buddhist or Baha’i, needs to believe in Jesus, he says. But not Jews. Jews already have a covenant with God that has never been replaced with Christianity, he says."

Here in another thread you are teaching directly against John Hagee's doctrine, so why are you defending him here in this thread?
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You should try to minister the gospel to the Jews, God just might teach you something that could be beneficial to your growth in grace and truth in Christ. You don't have to, only if you love them and are concerned for their souls.
 
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Is he still able to seek repentance?, there is only one unpardonable sin, or did he go to far already?
IMO, yes. GOD hardens the hearts of those who have hardened their hearts against him. Jesus saw this in the pharisees whose hearts had been hardened to the point that they called good, evil.
 

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Perhaps this response from Pastor John Hagee should be posted so that others will not be corrupted to think evil of this man as some have tried relentlessly.

Dear Friend:
I am writing to share with you some important news pertaining to my latest book In Defense of Israel. It has come to my attention that my choice of language and some of the interpretation being given that language in Chapter Ten has caused some confusion and actually led some readers to question whether I believe that Jesus is the Messiah. If people are reaching such a conclusion, then I have clearly failed to communicate my views as well as I should have.​
I have decided to release a new edition of In Defense of Israel with an expanded Chapter Ten. The new version will make the same point as the prior one, but using language which cannot mislead anyone about my bedrock belief that Jesus was and is Lord, Savior and Messiah.​
I was surprised to learn that some people were interpreting my words as a rejection of this most fundamental Christian belief that Jesus came to earth as the Messiah promised in the Hebrew Scriptures. I have been preaching the gospel for half a century. Almost every Sunday for the past 50 years, I have stood in front of Christian audiences to clearly proclaim the glory of our Lord, Savior and Messiah, Jesus Christ. For the past 30 years, these weekly sermons have been beamed to millions around the world on Christian television.​
Given my long years of preaching the gospel to so many, it simply never occurred to me that anyone would question my belief in the fundamentals of the faith. I chose to use challenging language that I hoped would confront the body of Christ to consider events from the Jewish and historical perspective and therefore develop greater empathy for our Jewish friends.​
Over the centuries, Christians have been quick to condemn the Jews for failing to recognize Jesus as Messiah. This approach led to replacement theology and the viewpoint of some that God has rejected and broken covenant with the Jewish people. These ideas, in turn, opened the door to a vicious Christian anti-Semitism that led to the Crusades, the Inquisition and countless pogroms.​
I tried to challenge this view by highlighting a distinction that has been long recognized in Christian theology between the role Jesus played in His first coming, and the role He will play in his second coming. Jesus came the first time as the suffering Messiah, as exemplified by His persecution, rejection and crucifixion. Jesus will come back as the reigning Messiah, who will rule the world from His throne in Jerusalem as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.​
We Christians believe that the suffering Messiah was clearly foreshadowed in the writings of the Hebrew prophets. However, most Jews have never read the prophets in this way. The Jews were expecting the reigning Messiah. I know this, you know this, and our omniscient and omnipotent Savior knows this.​
God could have sent His Son to earth as the reigning Messiah the Jews were expecting. Instead He chose to send Him as the suffering Messiah, who submitted to the Cross, and I thank Him every day that He did. But I also regret daily that this divine move has led so many of the fallen humans it saved to denigrate and persecute the Jewish people from whom our Lord sprang.​
In the expanded Chapter Ten, I will make the same point with language that does not hide my own perspective on the matter. The primary change will involve how I use the word “Messiah.” In the expanded version, I will clarify the clear distinction between the “Suffering Messiah,” the Lamb of God and the “Reigning Messiah,” the Lion of the Tribe of Judah!​
I am deeply grieved for any confusion my writing may have caused the body of Christ. It was never intended. I trust this letter and the expanded edition of In Defense of Israel will clarify what I believe. I also hope that we can return our focus to what I had anticipated to highlight all along, the fact that we Christians must shift from condemning the Jews for what they missed to thanking them for what they gave.

Blessings to you and those you love,​
Pastor John Hagee​

well i for one am glad he corrected his heresy with more heresy.
a good run-down of the deception of dispensationalism.
 

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You got it wrong about Pastor Hagee, along with others who do not like the fact he supports Israel and encourages others to do the same. He is not just all talk like some here on this site, but is a man of faith and of action and has been doing this for some 50 years. Some of you are just plain ignorant in your understanding and you have a problem with how you receive truth. This thread is a typical example.
"The Only True Israel of God

....For most of my life, I have been bamboozled by the heretical dispensational teaching which is being taught everywhere! Like John Hagee, I had my eyes fixated on natural Israel. I still love the Jewish people and pray that they will receive the Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah but my eyes are no longer fixated on natural Israel but on the Lord Jesus Christ. For here we have no continuing city. I am looking forward to the new Jerusalem which is above. That land over there in the middle east is not the holy land as there is no holy land on this earth. You can read about the true holy city in Revelation chapter 21...."

Discerning This Time
 
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Is he still able to seek repentance?, there is only one unpardonable sin, or did he go to far already?
Hi sister Letti,

The Blood of the Lamb has redemptive powers that beyond my human brain to understand--so I don't know. He certainly is playing with fire though.

Following Judah's Lion: Pastor Hagee says Keep Your Children Unsaved

Matt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


Time and again Jesus was forgiving with sinners and very harsh with Pharisees. We're discerning enough here on CC that we can separate his sin, which is for God to judge, from his false teachings. And, yes, we should pray for John Hagee and his followers as well.

Isa 62:6 I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,

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well i for one am glad he corrected his heresy with more heresy.
a good run-down of the deception of dispensationalism.
Are you following me, I am touched! Zone, some of the stuff you believe is so far off base that you have the unmitigated gall to accuse Pastor John Hagee of heresy. I am sure he would be touched as well. You folks can't help yourself because of the 'kakos' that is in your heart that turns into 'poneros' at the flip of a switch.
 

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You just can't get it out fast enough because it's right there in the old heart and it comes right out with hardly any effort or hesitation. You sound just like the world who loves to analyse every word and action with ready labels to discredit those they think should know better. Come right out with it and tell everyone that you not only think Pastor John Hagee is evil but you know with certainty that he is evil because of his fruit, RIGHT? All those believers that worship at his assembly meetings all these years must all be deceived and just as evil as their pastor. You have it all figured and measured out just like others do with Billy Graham and C.S. Scofield and some others I won't mention.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.

SCOFIELD'S FOLLY - same as Hagee's:

Scofield Prophecy Studies
 
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"The Only True Israel of God

....For most of my life, I have been bamboozled by the heretical dispensational teaching which is being taught everywhere! Like John Hagee, I had my eyes fixated on natural Israel. I still love the Jewish people and pray that they will receive the Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah but my eyes are no longer fixated on natural Israel but on the Lord Jesus Christ. For here we have no continuing city. I am looking forward to the new Jerusalem which is above. That land over there in the middle east is not the holy land as there is no holy land on this earth. You can read about the true holy city in Revelation chapter 21...."

Discerning This Time
By your response on this thread you believe that Pastor John Hagee is of an antichrist spirit, don't you? If you do, then he is involved in the mystery of iniquity and his works are works of iniquity. You have to go that far if you believe him to be a heretic who preaches another Christ and another gospel through another spirit. You also have to desire in your heart through the Holy Spirit that he be cut off from continuing to preach such heresy. Are you convinced of such along with others on this thread?
 

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Are you following me, I am touched! Zone, some of the stuff you believe is so far off base that you have the unmitigated gall to accuse Pastor John Hagee of heresy. I am sure he would be touched as well. You folks can't help yourself because of the 'kakos' that is in your heart that turns into 'poneros' at the flip of a switch.
not following you Red.
following the thread. i noticed someone keeps defending the antisemite hagee.
yes, the ultra-dispie dogma has this twisted pseudo-philo-semitism - but what they really mean is hurry up and bring it on so we can be raptured and the jews get chased around and killed by our made-up Antichrist.

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"2. Dispensationalism Defined
The basic text upon which dispensationalism is based is the Authorised translation of 2 Timothy 2:15, where the Apostle Paul calls upon Timothy to ‘... rightly divide the word of truth.’ Scofield took this verse as the title for his first book which is a defence of this way of ‘dividing’ Scripture into discrete dispensations.[[2]] In its classical form, Charles Ryrie insists the sine qua non of Dispensationalism to be:

1. A dispensationalist keeps Israel and the Church distinct...

2. This distinction between Israel and the church is born out of a system of hermeneutics that is usually called literal interpretation...

3. A third aspect... concerns the underlying purpose of God in the world... namely, the glory of God... To the normative dispensationalist, the soteriological, or saving, program of God is not the only program but one of the means God is using in the total program of glorifying Himself.[[3]]"

Christian Zionism: Dispensationalism And The Roots Of Sectarian Theology
A History of Dispensational Approaches
By Rev. Steven Sizer

Christian Zionism: Dispensationalism And The Roots Of Sectarian Theology
 
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By your response on this thread you believe that Pastor John Hagee is of an antichrist spirit, don't you? If you do, then he is involved in the mystery of iniquity and his works are works of iniquity. You have to go that far if you believe him to be a heretic who preaches another Christ and another gospel through another spirit. You also have to desire in your heart through the Holy Spirit that he be cut off from continuing to preach such heresy. Are you convinced of such along with others on this thread?
I called him an antichrist and I pray that he repents.

2 Tit 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

Wa habibi.

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1) By your response on this thread you believe that Pastor John Hagee is of an antichrist spirit, don't you? If you do, then he is involved in the mystery of iniquity and his works are works of iniquity. You have to go that far if you believe him to be a heretic who preaches another Christ and another gospel through another spirit. 2) You also have to desire in your heart through the Holy Spirit that he be cut off from continuing to preach such heresy. Are you convinced of such along with others on this thread?
1) absolutely.

2) believing false teachers is a judgment - so i don't desire anything one way or another. God uses whom He will. i'm sure those teachings play their role. sifting wheat and chaff (?)
 
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I don't like any pastor that just rails on the government all the time and Israel all the time and I see him doing this. as posted above, Jesus saves, not these things.
 

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the "gospel" according to Hagee and CUFI:

""I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." Genesis 12:1-3

God has promised to bless the man or nation that blesses the Chosen People. History has proven beyond reasonable doubt that the nations that have blessed the Jewish people have had the blessing of God; the nations that have cursed the Jewish people have experienced the curse of God."

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even one trip through Genesis 12 shows God spoke those words to Abraham - about JESUS.
but Israel loves this teaching....millions of useful hands and lobbyists.
 
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This thread is about John Hagee who doesn't believe in preaching the gospel to the Jewish people of Israel or anywhere else.



Here in another thread you are teaching directly against John Hagee's doctrine, so why are you defending him here in this thread?
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When you present the gospel to a Jew and it is rejected you discern the heart and the vail that is over the heart. The writer of Hebrews was dealing with this vail concerning the blood offering of animal sacrifices among the Hebrews. The Holy Spirit was making progress with many of them but some turned back and for them it would be very difficult to renew them again unto that place of repentance they had come so far. The Jews are not only blinded by this vail but will not turn unto the Lord for it to be taken away, so some continue to embrace the Torah and some the Talmud to this day. I think we should continue to preach the gospel to the Jews no matter what, but I am certainly not going to make a charge of heresy as some of you do. I see this man's fruit and the gospel he preaches and thank God for all his endeavors both toward the Jews and toward the Gentiles. I do not see the evil as you see it but I do see the goodness of God and will not forsake that goodness by calling it evil. Is it not the goodness of God that leads us to repentance in Rom 2:4?
 
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[h=3]John 10:11-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

This is how the church has been scattered.
 
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but I am certainly not going to make a charge of heresy as some of you do. I see this man's fruit and the gospel he preaches
1 Cor 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:


Where did your judgement lead you previously? :confused:


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When you present the gospel to a Jew and it is rejected you discern the heart and the vail that is over the heart. The writer of Hebrews was dealing with this vail concerning the blood offering of animal sacrifices among the Hebrews. The Holy Spirit was making progress with many of them but some turned back and for them it would be very difficult to renew them again unto that place of repentance they had come so far. The Jews are not only blinded by this vail but will not turn unto the Lord for it to be taken away, so some continue to embrace the Torah and some the Talmud to this day. I think we should continue to preach the gospel to the Jews no matter what, but I am certainly not going to make a charge of heresy as some of you do. I see this man's fruit and the gospel he preaches and thank God for all his endeavors both toward the Jews and toward the Gentiles. I do not see the evil as you see it but I do see the goodness of God and will not forsake that goodness by calling it evil. Is it not the goodness of God that leads us to repentance in Rom 2:4?
THE GOODNESS OF GOD?
repentance?
for gentiles and jews?
what's that?

APPARENTLY IT'S A NUCLEAR BOMB THAT GOD WANTS TO GIVE THE GENTILES - ON BEHALF OF THE JEWS.

don't wanna be cursed by God do ya??? (per Hagee's satanic corruption of Genesis 12:3)

[video=youtube;hDh1Vr7qajA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDh1Vr7qajA[/video]

John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran!



oh yes....calling evil good alright.

my Bible doesn't say this is the Great Commission:



"with LOVE from Israel"

we might expect this from the unregenerate or reprobate.
which is why Hagee loves it.
 
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repentance?

we might expect this from the unregenerate or reprobate.
which is why Hagee loves it.
Pastor John Hagee Scandal - Heresy, Fraud, Adultery and Hate

Adultery, Divorce and Salary of Pastor John Hagee

“Christians don’t steal or lie, they don’t get divorced or have abortions.” – John Hagee

A megachurch televangelist like John Hagee who spouts outrageous beliefs and has millions of followers must lead an immaculate personal life to keep his congregation listening to him, right? Wrong. People apparently will follow John Hagee blindly and will not question him even when details of his adulterous personal life are made public.

John Hagee was the leader of the charismatic Trinity Church in 1975 and was the father of two children. John Hagee had an adulterous affair with a woman and admitted to immorality in front of his church. Pastor John Hagee then divorced the mother of his two children and married a younger woman (Diana Castro, now Diana Hagee) from that same congregation. Pastor John Hagee willfully abused his position of trust and power to take advantage of a younger gullible woman and cheat on his wife.

So what happened after John Hagee admitted to cheating and abusing his power? Did he repent and pursue becoming a better person and living a life based on Biblical principles? Did people stop following his ministry? The answers are very obvious. John Hagee married the woman he cheated on his wife with and immediately became the pastor of another congregation- the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio Texas.

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Using his lies and deceit, Pastor John Hagee has grown into an enormously wealthy man. In the year 2001, his organization filed revenues of $18.3 million dollars with the IRS. What was John Hagee’s personal compensation package worth? More than $1.25 million dollars. His nonprofit organization, GETV, has a mission statement reading “Spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ”. Somehow I think his nearly 8,000 acre Texas ranch does not help that mission. Not only does Pastor John and his wife Diana Hagee own that sprawling ranch, but they also have a 5,275 foot, 6 bedroom mansion in one of San Antonio’s most exclusive gated communities (The Dominion). The house is appraised at $700,000.

So who is monitoring Pastor John Hagee and his largesse? Who ensures that the millions of dollars that gullible grandmothers give him is spent to further spread the gospel of Jesus Christ? 3 of the 4 Directors who monitor the board of his nonprofit GETV foundation are his direct family members- his wife, Diana; his son, Matthew; and himself. :eek:

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Multiple religious organizations and other experts on television ministries have said that John Hagee has a conflict of interest and what he is doing with GETV and his compensation package probably crosses into the realm of criminals. “We prohibit any personal profiting on a product that is promoted and marketed with the dollars that have been donated to the ministry,” said Nelson, with the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. The arrangement with the book sale profits or “royalty payments” being placed in a retirement trust – instead of being counted as ordinary income – created the impression that Hagee was trying to avoid being taxed for ordinary income, an intellectual property rights lawyer said. John Hagee basically is laundering money through his nonprofit so he doesn’t have to pay taxes on it, then paying it to himself so he can live an opulent lifestyle while the mission of his foundation goes unaccomplished and the poor gullible grandparents who send him money go hungry.