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CoooCaw · Oct 4, 2013

it betrays the fact that you harbour unsound doctrine

Are those the words of the Holy Spirit, CoooCaw?

Prob 28:1 The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

2 Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

How could anyone with the Holy Spirit fear tribulation?

It's going to be exciting times to have a ministry.

Isa 41:10 ¶ Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

CoooCaw · Oct 4, 2013

Elin said:

some knowlege of doctrine would help you too

the church will return WITH jesus

the jews that are left alive will have become believers

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

the gentiles will be gathered for the shhep and goats judgement

CoooCaw · Oct 4, 2013

wow

so fornication is ok and repentance is not necessary - check

26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple. 28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish. 31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Praus said:

That's another problem with this thread then, the original poster follows a false teacher.

It's a good thing you have me and xuanvuive2013 so at least you have good music.

A man told me that he wouldn't get saved for a long time, because Jack Chick's Chick Tracts had taught him that God wouldn't save him unless he was willing to stop shacking up with his girlfriend in fornication. Since the man wasn't willing to turn from some of the sins in his life, he thought he couldn't be saved. I think that's a big issue and Jack Chick is corrupting the gospel, adding a step that God never added to be saved. We are the SINNERS and Jesus is the SAVIOR... it's that simple! A person is saved if they acknowledge their guilt of sin before God (Romans 3:19) and trust upon Jesus, the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31)!!!

It is false doctrine to require lost sinners to "be willing to turn from sin" as part of saving grace. Jesus shed His precious blood to pay for our sins, because our own self-righteousness could NOT save us. Isaiah 64:6 declares our own self-righteousness as "filthy rags" in the sight of God Almighty. Matthew 6:33 commands... "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you." To go to Heaven my friend, you need HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, i.e., Jesus' righteousness. We read in Romans 10:3,4... "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Jack Chick asks sinners to establish their own righteousness when he tells them they MUST "be willing to turn from sin" in order to have God's free gift of eternal life.

Most of the false prophets teaching the heresy of Lordship Salvation are from California (John Mac Arthur, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, Jack Chick, et cetera). California is a hotbed of false prophets! Lordship Salvation is the teaching that a person must stop living in sin to be saved. In Jack Chick's case, he's a bit more subtle, teaching that it's not enough to admit one's sinnership to be saved; but a person must also be willing to stop living in sin to be saved. These are all damnable heresies that destroy the gift of God. You don't give up anything to be saved; Jesus gave up everything to pay for our sins. Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS! If you want to be saved, then repent toward God by placing your faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to forgive your sins. It's that simple. God will take care of the rest from there.

Conclusion
Jack Chick is a false prophet! Stop trying to force people to live right by corrupting the simple plan of salvation! I realize that Mr. Chick has done MUCH to promote other ministries and Christian authors who are diligently fighting against the evils of Catholicism, Wicca, et cetera (and I can appreciate that); BUT, I cannot sit back as a God-fearing believer and remain silent while Jack Chick is telling millions of people that they MUST "be willing to turn from sin" to be saved. Mr. Chick fails to explain what he means in his tracts by the phrase, "be willing to turn from sin." The only reasonable conclusion that a person can assume is that they cannot be saved unless they are willing to cease from their sinful living (which is untrue!).
I recently received a letter from a gentleman, who told me that for many years he was reluctant to get saved, because he had read aChick Tract and genuinely thought God wouldn't save him unless he was willing to stop living in sin. The man expressed his frustration that he would have died and went straight to Hell because of Jack T. Chick, if it weren't for a dear saint of God, who explained to him from the Bible that eternal life is a free gift of God which is NOT conditioned upon a lifestyle change or willingness to clean up one's life. Jack Chick is teaching heresy and should be avoided by all soulwinning ministries. My recommendation is to write and draw your own Gospel tracts. People will look at your pictures just as eagerly as they will Mr. Chick's.

I am not happy to expose Jack Chick as a false prophet. In fact, it pains me. I realize most professed "Christians" today are phonies. Certainly, genuine repentance should result in a drastic change within the soul of the believer (2nd Corinthians 5:17). However, the change comes as a RESULT of genuine repentance; and NOT as a prerequisite to salvation itself. Jack Chick requires a willingness to change (i.e., turn from sin) as a requirement to be saved. This is damnable heresy and a road to Hell, because it is self-righteousness! Hebrews 12:8 tells us that God will chastise His children if they live in sin. Although no believer can live in sin without Holy Spirit conviction, many believers do live horribly sinful lives (as evidenced by king Solomon in the Bible).

To be saved, a person must become GUILTY before God (Romans 3:19), realizing one's condemnation under God's Holy Law, and justly deserved penalty in Hellfire—turning by faith to Jesus Christ for forgiveness. The precious blood of Jesus Christ is what washes our sins away forever... "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1st Peter 1:18,19). Jesus paid a debt He did not owe; because we owed a debt we could not pay. Oh how foolish it is for anyone to require lost sinners to be willing to depart from their sins to be saved.

According to Chick Tracts, it's not enough to admit you're a sinner to be saved, you must also be willing to turn from those sins. Jack Chick needs to either change his tracts to accurately reflect his website's statement of faith; or else rewrite his statement of faith to backup the Lordship Salvation he's teaching in his tracts. To continue to teach both is contradictory, confusing, and deceitful. Don't you tell me that you believe salvation is the free gift of God, and then contradict yourself by saying that sinners must be willing to turn from their sins to be saved. No Sir! You are 100% wrong. What a Gospel Tract should tell people who want to be saved is:

1. Admit you are a GUILTY sinner, under the condemnation of God's Law, deserving of Hellfire (Romans 3:19,23; 6:23).
2. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Whose redeeming blood will wash away your sins (Acts 16:31; 1st Peter 1:18,19).

The change (i.e., the FRUIT of a believer's faith) that genuine repentance brings is not a requirement to be saved. It is a separate issue. We must not confuse the ROOT of a believer's faith with the FRUIT of a believer's faith (See: Are We Justified by Faith and Works?).

Praus · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

You harbor homosexual doctrine, CoooCaw

CoooCaw said:

Tel Aviv named world's best gay city - Israel Travel, Ynetnews

"Tel Aviv named world's best gay city: Israeli metropolis wins 43% of votes in American Airlines competition selecting most popular destinations among LGTB tourists; New York City comes in second with only 14% of votes"

Tel Aviv's gay pride festival draws record-breaking 100,000 | The Times of Israel

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: ... 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Praus · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

CoooCaw, that's what you're promoting here on Christian Chat, I haven't the slightest notion why ...

Praus said:

You harbor homosexual doctrine, CoooCaw

Tel Aviv named world's best gay city - Israel Travel, Ynetnews

"Tel Aviv named world's best gay city: Israeli metropolis wins 43% of votes in American Airlines competition selecting most popular destinations among LGTB tourists; New York City comes in second with only 14% of votes"

Tel Aviv's gay pride festival draws record-breaking 100,000 | The Times of Israel

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: ... 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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CoooCaw · Oct 4, 2013

just remember it is God's responsibility to discipline Israel, not yours

why do you think another 2/3 are gonna die before the Lord's return

He will resort to EXTREME measures and send them 2 prophets to get their attention

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Praus said:

svedbygrace · Oct 4, 2013

RedTent said:

God does not tell anyone to Love those who hate Him and His Son, you must have lost your mind.

2 Chron 19:2

2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord.

I don't know what God you listen to, it is definitely not the God of Israel !

zone · Oct 4, 2013

Praus said:

did that site really say....?

svedbygrace · Oct 4, 2013

God does not Love anyone based upon race, that is respect of persons ! A Christian should not love anyone who hates God and His Christ as the murderous jews did ! Christ calls them murderers. Matt 22:7

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

Christians don't support murderers !

Praus · Oct 4, 2013

RedTent said:

svedbygrace said:

Actually Jesus Christ is God.

Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

zone · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

and there it is....what dispensationalists REALLY believe.

"oh we love Israel so much(because we fear being CURSED)...and anyone who says the Israel of God is the Church of believers Jew & Gentile is an antisemitic replacement theologian" - because we need to GET RAPTURED OUT OF THEIR TRIBULATION.

no matter how many times the BIBLE speaks and shows this was already fulfilled; the dispie will deny it. and deny it.

CoooCaw said:

John 19
Jesus' Side is Pierced
36For these things came to pass to fulfill the Scripture, "NOT A BONE OF HIM SHALL BE BROKEN." 37And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."

Luke 23
26When they led Him away, they seized a man, Simon of Cyrene, coming in from the country, and placed on him the cross to carry behind Jesus. 27And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him. 28But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children.

svedbygrace · Oct 4, 2013

praus

I know who He is, and that does not change a thing I stated ! Christians don't Love murderers. 1 Chron 19:2

2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord.

Christians should hate God's Enemies Ps 139:19-22

19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Does not matter their ethnicity !

zone · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

Isaiah 59:20
"The Redeemer will come to Jerusalem to buy back those in Israel who have turned from their sins," says the LORD.

Acts 2
22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’

29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’

36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

BradC · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

There has been no response to this post just yet. I wonder if anyone will say that these have been fulfilled prior to 1948 and can tell you when it was. This is such a stumbling block to them because of the (9) specific things mentioned in those two verses, which can not be separated and go together.

JaumeJ · Oct 4, 2013

I read this wrong previously. The only elect of Yahweh will be those who are Jews whether they be Jews by translation, as I have explained many times using references to the source of the name Judah to Paul's discourse on who the true Jew is in Romans, although in many translations they have taken the word Jew and replaced it with its definition, praisers of God, or praisers of Yah.

People do read the Word who come here, but many are not yet aware of this truth, preferring to distance themselves from anything dealing with the teachings of the faith of Abraham.

Please forgive my initial misunderstanding of your post. It is understandable in the climate of world "Christian" religions since our Lord ascended to the Right Hand of Power how many even most regard the Faith of Abraham as something unakin to their Greek named Jesus, who is a Jew.

Elin said:

SarahM777 · Oct 4, 2013

svedbygrace said:

UMMM Did you forget the sermon on the mount?

Matthew 5

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h]39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

CoooCaw · Oct 4, 2013

BradC said:

actually God gave me that verse tonight just as I logged on

it was in the latest newsletter from ICEJ

zone · Oct 4, 2013

CoooCaw said:

BradC said:

James and the Council got it wrong - Scofield et al got it right?
i think not.

Acts 15
The Jerusalem Council
1But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2And after Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question. 3So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoenicia and Samaria, describing in detail the conversion of the Gentiles, and brought great joy to all the brothers.a 4When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them. 5But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

6The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. 10Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”

12And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. 13After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. 14Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

16 “‘After this I will return,
and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;
I will rebuild its ruins,
and I will restore it,
17 that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord,
and all the Gentiles who are called by my name,
says the Lord, who makes these things 18known from of old.’

Amos 9:11
"In that day I will restore David's fallen shelter-- I will repair its broken walls and restore its ruins-- and will rebuild it as it used to be.

do you believe God's Word...or not?

JaumeJ · Oct 4, 2013

The quote from Isaiah is from my Hebrew study this morning. The reference is to the event of Satan being defeated by our Father. It is within the lament of Babylon, therefore I may only understand the meaning has nothing to do with the historic return of our spiritual forefathers to Israel. It is the carrying to a different Israel when Satan is defeated once and for all, halleluyah, amen!

Some historians may say this event has already occurred, but look around, tell me, do you see evil missing? Is suffering still happening? Is the Kingdom here already? No, that is exactly what I see....

Isa 14:1
For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Isa 14:2
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Isa 14:3
And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

Isa 14:4
That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

Isa 14:5
The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

Isa 14:6
He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

Isa 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa 14:8
Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Isa 14:9
Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Isa 14:10
All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Isa 14:11
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Isa 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

BradC said:

svedbygrace · Oct 4, 2013

sarah

Nah. We talking about those who hate God and His Christ. No Love for them, in fact Paul wrote, who by the way knew the sermon on the mount better than any of us, wrote this 1 Cor 16:22

22 If any man[jew or gentile] love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

You know what Anathema Maranatha means?

22 If anyone does not love the Lord [does not have a friendly affection for Him and is not kindly disposed toward Him], he shall be accursed! Our Lord will come! (Maranatha!)

22 I pray that God will put a curse on everyone who doesn’t love the Lord. And may the Lord come soon.

22 If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be separated from God—lost forever!

Come, O Lord!

Now, what you say about that ? It does not matter if its a jew or gentile.

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