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zone

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actually God gave me that verse tonight just as I logged on

it was in the latest newsletter from ICEJ
right. the Christian Zionists' playbook.

tell me about the 'Davidic Covenant' - this mysterious unfulfilled covenant promise.

is this the part where David is coregent with Jesus in the future 1,000 year non-existent dispensation?

because you guys can not fathom what David's Throne is and Who is on it?

why haven't you figured out this is a Judaic Fable xtianized?

exactly like the unbelievers who perished in 70AD because they REFUSED to enter the New Covenant which is SPIRITUAL; GLOBAL; AND EVERLASTING LEADING TO ETERNITY.....not tied to Jerusalem that now is...is NOT OF THIS WORLD....dispensationalism is absolutely BLINDING everyone who falls into it.

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Purpose

Israel has always been God’s vehicle of world redemption (Romans 9:1-5). In a way, she is God’s microphone, the means by which He speaks to a lost world. Moreover, she has birthed all God’s covenants into the world and has now come back to her ancient homeland, by the promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, to birth the final great covenant of history, the Davidic Covenant. Herein lies the ultimate purpose of her modern-day restoration. Jesus will return to Zion as the root and offspring of David (Revelation 22:1-6; Psalm 2:1-12; Psalm 72:5-11).

- The International Christian Embassy Jerusalem


ICEJ Home | ICEJ International < click

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OH REALLY?

"to birth the final great covenant of history, the Davidic Covenant."??? WHAT'S THAT?


"The kingdom which Jesus inaugurated would, in contrast to their narrow
expectations, be spiritual in character, international in membership and gradual in
expansion. And the expansion of this kingdom throughout the world would
specifically require their exile from the land. They must turn their backs on Jerusalem
and their hopes of ruling there with Jesus in order to fulfil their new role as
ambassadors of his kingdom (Matthew 20:20-28; 2 Corinthians 5:20-21). The Acts of
the Apostles suggests that they needed something of a kick-start to get going. It is
only when the Christians in Jerusalem experience persecution following the death of
Stephen and are scattered that they begin to proclaim the gospel to others (see Acts
8:1-4). The Church was sent out into the world to make disciples of all nations but
never told to return
. Instead Jesus promises to be with them where ever they are in
the world (Matthew 28:18-20).

The Fig Tree and David’s Fallen Tent
Those who believe the New Testament speaks of a third Jewish return to the Land
quote the illustration of the fig tree in Matthew 24 and ‘David’s Fallen Tent’ in Acts
15:13-17. Let’s look at each briefly.

Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its
leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all
these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this
generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
(Matthew 24:32-34)

The followers of Jesus understood him to be warning them to heed the signs and flee
Jerusalem when the city came under Roman siege. Hal Lindsey, however, reverses
its meaning. He claims Jesus was predicting the restoration of the Jews to Palestine
in the 20th Century rather than their departure in the 1st Century. How does he justify
that?

But the most important sign in Matthew has to be the restoration of the Jews
to the land in the rebirth of Israel. Even the figure of speech “fig tree” has been
a historic symbol of national Israel. When the Jewish people, after nearly
2,000 years of exile, under relentless persecution, became a nation again on
14 May 1948 the “fig tree” put forth its first leaves.16


You may need to read that again slowly. Do you see it? I don’t either. Its called
‘clutching at straws’ or maybe in this case, ‘figs’, reading back into a passage a
subjective interpretation based on hindsight rather than foresight. Nothing in Matthew
24 leads us to believe Jesus wanted his hearers to understand that he was promising
Israel would become a nation state once again. As we have already seen, Jesus has
used the analogy of the fruit tree before ‘Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God
will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.’
(Matthew 21:43). Indeed, Jesus says that the subjects of the kingdom, that is,
unbelieving Jews, will be ‘thrown outside’ (Matthew 8:10-12); none of those who were
originally invited ‘will get a taste of my banquet’ (Luke 14:15-24). Nevertheless,
Lindsey has popularised the notion that the return of Jewish people to Palestine
since 1948 is somehow the fulfilment of biblical prophecy. Where did he get the idea
from? Probably Cyrus Scofield.

Referring to Acts 15, Scofield asserts, ‘dispensationally, this is the most important
passage in the NT’, since he claims, ‘It gives the divine purpose for this age, and for
the beginning of the next.’17 Here is the passage in question:

After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I
will restore it, that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles
who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things that have been
known for ages (Acts 15:16-18).

James is simply quoting from Amos to show that Pentecost was not an accident but
had been predicted long ago. Amos foresaw how David’s royal dynasty would be
restored after the exile through one of his descendents – Jesus – and that through
his victory on the cross and his reign over the nations, the Gentiles would also seek
to enter his kingdom along with a Jewish remnant.
Scofield, however, reads into this
passage what is not there, while at the same time he obscures what is there. It all
has to do with that little phrase ‘after this’. The natural meaning is clear. James has in
mind ‘after the cross’ or ‘after the ascension’ or even ‘after Pentecost’. Scofield,
however, claims once again, ‘after this’ means after another 2000 years! He argues
that God will one day soon ‘re-establish the Davidic rule over Israel’18 and bring the
Jewish people back to the Land so that Jesus can rule as their king in Jerusalem....

http://www.christianzionism.org/BibleSays/Sizer04.pdf < click
 
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you really are sad zone
 

zone

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you really are sad zone
are you really willing to stake your eternal soul on this false system you're addicted to?
it's not easy coming out of dispensationalism.
i know you can't stand me...or anyone who rattles this cage - but i assure you, this is heresy and is thoroughly antichrist.
if you want help backing out of it and finding your way into what the Bible really says, PM me.
i will not share with anyone that you have.
i can help you, if you want it.

but believe me CooCaw, you really have to want out of this mess.
if the Holy Spirit is not prompting you that something's wrong with your beliefs, you're in a lot of trouble.
if He is (He is The Spirit of Truth)...send me a message.
there is a way out.

zone.
 
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are you really willing to stake your eternal soul on this false system you're addicted to?
it's not easy coming out of dispensationalism.
i know you can't stand me...or anyone who rattles this cage - but i assure you, this is heresy and is thoroughly antichrist.
if you want help backing out of it and finding your way into what the Bible really says, PM me.
i will not share with anyone that you have.
i can help you, if you want it.

but believe me CooCaw, you really have to want out of this mess.
if the Holy Spirit is not prompting you that something's wrong with your beliefs, you're in a lot of trouble.
if He is (He is The Spirit of Truth)...send me a message.
there is a way out.

zone.
You can rattle the cage all you want, but your inside the cage locked in and every time someone comes with a key to set you free you argue with them and turn them away or accuse them of heresy. You have boxed yourself in that cage and your not excepting visitors.
 

zone

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You can rattle the cage all you want, but your inside the cage locked in and every time someone comes with a key to set you free you argue with them and turn them away or accuse them of heresy. You have boxed yourself in that cage and your not excepting visitors.
i want nothing; zero; nada; zip to do with dispensationalism and it's deadly errors. except to keep repeating what they are ; offering resources - for those who care.
you don't. so let's just agree to completely disagree.

that whole bogus overlay is all yours.
lock stock and barrel.
rapture; Dual Covenant, you name it & you claim it.

you've never even stopped to take a breath and consider you're wrong.
believe me dear one - you're VERY wrong.

bye now.
 

zone

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You harbor homosexual doctrine, CoooCaw

Tel Aviv named world's best gay city - Israel Travel, Ynetnews

"Tel Aviv named world's best gay city: Israeli metropolis wins 43% of votes in American Airlines competition selecting most popular destinations among LGTB tourists; New York City comes in second with only 14% of votes"


not to mention the gambling; human trafficking (white slavery); organ trafficking; organized crime; prostitution; abortions; drug smuggling and manufacture; banking fraud; murder; warmongering; racism...and on and on....

this is not different form any other decadent western society.
these are overwhelmingly unregenerate peoples....doing just what we once did.

yet this is God's Holy Land? and holy people?

how so?

they are free to live this way and make their choices - as all apparently are.
but please....don't tell my this is God's holy people.
most are atheists.
 
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i want nothing; zero; nada; zip to do with dispensationalism and it's deadly errors. except to keep repeating what they are ; offering resources - for those who care.
you don't. so let's just agree to completely disagree.

that whole bogus overlay is all yours.
lock stock and barrel.
rapture; Dual Covenant, you name it & you claim it.

you've never even stopped to take a breath and consider you're wrong.
believe me dear one - you're VERY wrong.

bye now.
It's a way of understanding that you have subscribed to and you have to live with that, but we don't and we won't. Call it what ever you like and make of it as you desire. God is faithful to what he has promised even if you can not see it by your faith. The nation of Israel and those that make up its people are a chosen and elect people who are for the most part in unbelief through a partial blindness. Nobody, including you, can change that or make it be something it is not. Whatever you have to say about it will not change it or alter what God has purposed, planned and promised his elect, IT STANDS! Go on with YOUR faith as you subscribe to it, because your efforts of exposing it will only cause confusion in the faith but will not thwart the plan of God for the nation of Israel, those who he has called by name and shed his blood for. Their eyes will be opened when they see him and those that see him will believe just like any Gentile has during their time of fulness. That is simple, uncomplicated and it is wisdom from above being full of mercy and without partiality. Zone, be good to the Jews for God has his favor upon them and will turn them once again unto himself, who just might be invited guests at the marriage supper of the lamb.
 
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not to mention the gambling; human trafficking (white slavery); organ trafficking; organized crime; prostitution; abortions; drug smuggling and manufacture; banking fraud; murder; warmongering; racism...and on and on....

this is not different form any other decadent western society.
these are overwhelmingly unregenerate peoples....doing just what we once did.

yet this is God's Holy Land? and holy people?

how so?

they are free to live this way and make their choices - as all apparently are.
but please....don't tell my this is God's holy people.
most are atheists.
So confounding and perplexing, even his ways are past finding out and unsearchable are his judgment. That's at the end of (Romans 11) just in case you missed it.
 

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not to mention the gambling; human trafficking (white slavery); organ trafficking; organized crime; prostitution; abortions; drug smuggling and manufacture; banking fraud; murder; warmongering; racism...and on and on....

this is not different form any other decadent western society.
these are overwhelmingly unregenerate peoples....doing just what we once did.
Maybe the connection to decadent western societies is evident in these same forces having much powers in same?

yet this is God's Holy Land? and holy people?

how so?

they are free to live this way and make their choices - as all apparently are.
but please....don't tell my this is God's holy people.
most are atheists.
And some are freemasons/satanists. Working their antichrist agenda wherever they could lay their hands.

Beware, naive christians!
 

zone

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Zone, be good to the Jews
Doc my best friend in the whole world is a jew. my family is jewish (lapsed/assimilated).
i'm good to jews. i go to a jewish website and have for years.

they are not the problem (except that criminal element that insists on hiding in the masses - criminals are criminals...not holy people).
xtian zionists are the problem. in case you missed me saying so ten thousand times.

and no, God hasn't mercifully or for any other reason blinded them.
they are free to come to Christ if they continue NOT in their hatred of Him and unbelief.

stop making God the author of their SIN and UNBELIEF.

for your ridiculous Plan B fable. grow up. or not.
i don't care.

moving along.
 
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zone

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So confounding and perplexing, even his ways are past finding out and unsearchable are his judgment. That's at the end of (Romans 11) just in case you missed it.
your bible only has 1 page?
poor you.
 

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some knowlege of doctrine would help you too

the church will return WITH jesus
At the end of time the Church will come out of their graves in glorified bodies,
go out to meet Jesus (parousia) in the air as he returns and w
ill descend with him to earth to judge the world.

the jews that are left alive will have become believers

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
And thus all Israel will be saved, as prophesied in Isa 10:22, and repeated in Ro 11:25--in the remnant.

The vast majority of the Jews for the last 2,000 years have not been saved.
"All Israel" cannot mean all Jews.

"All Israel" is the fullness of Israel, as in the fullness of the Gentiles; i.e., those whom God has predestined (Ro 8:29-30) to salvation, which is not every Jew.
 

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By understanding the previous post below, you will understand how all Jews and only Jews will be saved.

I read this wrong previously. The only elect of Yahweh will be those who are Jews whether they be Jews by translation, as I have explained many times using references to the source of the name Judah to Paul's discourse on who the true Jew is in Romans, although in many translations they have taken the word Jew and replaced it with its definition, praisers of God, or praisers of Yah.

People do read the Word who come here, but many are not yet aware of this truth, preferring to distance themselves from anything dealing with the teachings of the faith of Abraham.

Please forgive my initial misunderstanding of your post. It is understandable in the climate of world "Christian" religions since our Lord ascended to the Right Hand of Power how many even most regard the Faith of Abraham as something unakin to their Greek named Jesus, who is a Jew.
 

JaumeJ

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Please read the paste from Isaiah below. The word, Jew, is the same as the word Yah. Anyone called by the name of Yah will be saved. This is anyone who fits the definition of what a true Jew is, a praiser of Yah. We are brught together with the first flock of the Good Shepherd by none other than the Good Shepherd. Meditate on this, and you will be at peace.



Isa 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Isa 43:4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

Isa 43:5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isa 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Isa 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name
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for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Isa 43:8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

Isa 43:9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Isa 43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Isa 43:14 Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.


Isa 43:15 I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
 

Elin

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CoooCaw said:
"Also I will restore the captivity of My people Israel, And they will rebuild the ruined cities andlive in them; They will also plant vineyards and drink their wine, And make gardens and eat their fruit. I will also plant them on their land, And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them" Says the Lord your God. Amos 9:14-15
There has been no response to this post just yet. I wonder if anyone will say that these have been fulfilled prior to 1948 and can tell you when it was. This is such a stumbling block to them because of the (9) specific things mentioned in those two verses, which can not be separated and go together.
It was fulfilled in their return from exile under Nehemiah.

And they will not again be rooted out from their land Which I have given them"
They will be uprooted when the heavens disappear with a roar; the elements are destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare (2Pe 3:10).

It's not literal. . .so it must be figurative of the Kingdom of Messiah, which will not be uprooted in the world, or anywhere else, or at any time.
 
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Elin

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I read this wrong previously. The only elect of Yahweh will be those who are Jews whether they be Jews by translation, as I have explained many times using references to the source of the name Judah to Paul's discourse on who the true Jew is in Romans, although in many translations they have taken the word Jew and replaced it with its definition, praisers of God, or praisers of Yah.

People do read the Word who come here, but many are not yet aware of this truth, preferring to distance themselves from anything dealing with the teachings of the faith of Abraham.

Please forgive my initial misunderstanding of your post. It is understandable in the climate of world "Christian" religions since our Lord ascended to the Right Hand of Power how many even most regard the Faith of Abraham as something unakin to their Greek named Jesus, who is a Jew.
I was not offended. . .you owe me no apology.
 

Elin

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Praus...seems like The Lord had mercy on you and me...in our filth....iniquity and sin...He reached down anyway.

He looks for lowest first - crying out...and rescues them.

TO THE PRAISE OF HIS GLORY.

This is MY GOD.

Amen
amen.
HALLELUJAH!!!

Thank you, Jesus!
 

JaumeJ

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Very gracious of you. Good night from Spain............Desde España, buenas noches..........

I was not offended. . .you owe me no apology.
 

Elin

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To read these posts, you would think that most Christians have a special bible where the 11th chapter of Romans has been ripped out. Besides, we are told not to be arrogant. I hope God doesn't read these posts.
Was Stephen being arrogant?

"You stiff-necked people with uncircumcised hearts and ears!
You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute?

"They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous (Just) One.
And now you have betrayed and murdered him--you who have received the law
that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it."

And it cost him his life (Ac 7:51-60).