RAPTURE SLAUGHTER

[notuptome]

You are simply just unteachable and certainly fulfill Matt 13v14,15!

By teaching a pre-tribulation secret advent and rapture you are adding something to the Book of Revelation that is NOT there, completely ignoring the Lord's strong warning in Rev 22v18,19.

If, by your individual teaching of this erroneous doctrine, a Christian's faith is over-thrown so that they backslide and go into apostasy during the Great Tribulation, the Lord WILL certainly require it off you!

If teaching meant threat and innuendo you would have it down pat.

The tribulation is judgment upon Israel not the church. Do you understand that the church is not Israel and Israel is not the church? The church does not replace Israel in prophecy and while some of Israel will get saved, a remnant, and be part of the church not all until Christ returns in power and glory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

The church is surely here...

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you Jews today keep the Commandments? More to the point, do they have the Testimony of Jesus Christ? Who else would have this but the church.

What the Bible teaches is a flight to a place of safety by the church...


Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

This wilderness cannot be a reference to heaven...

wilderness:

G2048
ἔρημος
erēmos
er'-ay-mos
Of uncertain affinity; lonesome, that is, (by implication) waste (usually as a noun, G5561 being implied): - desert, desolate, solitary, wilderness.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

If this were a "rapture", an earthquake (or some seismic activity) would not be of help to spirits being wafted to heaven.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Some of the woman are not taken to this place. The remainder or remnant as seen above are not the Jews, they are the remnant of the woman. By process of elimination, this must be the church.

And to think that I always saw this as the birth of Christ and the dragons war on Israel until Christ returns.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Josh321]

people always confuse the tribulation thinking the bride will be in it, no that is the 144 000 they must die because they are guilty of killing Jesus and they said " let his blood be on our hands and our children's " that is exactly what is happening, the true bride of christ will not be touched. before sodom and gomorrah was destroyed the bride had to come out first before the great flood came noah was safely in the ark from harm, it's the same thing that is going to happen in the end but this time every saint through out the ages who died WITH CHRIST IN THEM will raise up and put on an incorruptible body and the true bride of christ who are still alive will be changed in an instant because the flesh is corruptible no flesh can make it in the kingdom that is why the body must change, i urge you all not to miss this event.. if you can't see it in the bible you need the holy spirit to read the bible if your thinking with a carnal mind you will never see it no matter what you do the bible is a mystery to the unbelievers

 

[PoxEclipse]

Where do I get one of these?

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him.



May the Lord bless and keep you all in the days ahead,

P.

 

[overcomer2]

The pre-tribulation theory promotes apathy in the church today, as in, "I'm just waiting to get raptured out of here - the world is getting so bad." Have seen it too many times to count. Besides, Matthew 24:29 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days ..." and then there is this sticky little verse from Matthew 24: "13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Your point of deception by Satan is good to bring out, and hopefully people will heed the warning rather than adopt what I have heard so many times, "don't think about Satan because it gives him more power." Know your enemy! All good soldiers know this!

I put this verse somewhere else but I think this is a good place to.
[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2:11-12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.




I believe the delusion that the Lord will send is the pre-rapture theory. Why because they would not believe the truth that they will go through The Tribulation. And since they will believe this lie of pre-trip they will be damned.
unrighteousness is the opposite of what is right.

 

[john832]

And to think that I always saw this as the birth of Christ and the dragons war on Israel until Christ returns.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

And Israel (the Jews) is where we look to find the Testimony of Christ?

 

[overcomer2]

people always confuse the tribulation thinking the bride will be in it, no that is the 144 000 they must die because they are guilty of killing Jesus and they said " let his blood be on our hands and our children's " that is exactly what is happening, the true bride of christ will not be touched. before sodom and gomorrah was destroyed the bride had to come out first before the great flood came noah was safely in the ark from harm, it's the same thing that is going to happen in the end but this time every saint through out the ages who died WITH CHRIST IN THEM will raise up and put on an incorruptible body and the true bride of christ who are still alive will be changed in an instant because the flesh is corruptible no flesh can make it in the kingdom that is why the body must change, i urge you all not to miss this event.. if you can't see it in the bible you need the holy spirit to read the bible if your thinking with a carnal mind you will never see it no matter what you do the bible is a mystery to the unbelievers

My husband uses this as a way to justify the church not going through trib, but the deal is Noah did go through the flood, and Daniel went into the lion's den, Meshack, Shadrach, and Abednego went in the fire. we will be here in tribulation. He will keep us during this time.

 

[Josh321]

My husband uses this as a way to justify the church not going through trib, but the deal is Noah did go through the flood, and Daniel went into the lion's den, Meshack, Shadrach, and Abednego went in the fire. we will be here in tribulation. He will keep us during this time.

im talking about when nationwide judgement came not occasions, an entire city was destroyed but the bride came out without a touch on them

 

[Josh321]

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Matthew 27:25 exactly what is gonna happen they are guilty of murdering the messiah so they have to be murdered back during the tribulation all the 144 000​

 

[notuptome]

I put this verse somewhere else but I think this is a good place to.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.




I believe the delusion that the Lord will send is the pre-rapture theory. Why because they would not believe the truth that they will go through The Tribulation. And since they will believe this lie of pre-trip they will be damned.
unrighteousness is the opposite of what is right.

The Holy Spirit is not going to lead the church into delusion. The Holy Spirit leads us into the truth. Those who are left will be deluded. All those who are religious but not saved will be given to believe the lie.

The real delusion is self righteousness just like in the time of Noah. Every man did what was right in his own eyes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

And Israel (the Jews) is where we look to find the Testimony of Christ?

God committed His word to Israel. God made His Christ of the flesh of Israel. Israel still looks for her Messiah. Israel still has a testimony of Christ even though she is blind in part to it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Josh321]

The Holy Spirit is not going to lead the church into delusion. The Holy Spirit leads us into the truth. Those who are left will be deluded. All those who are religious but not saved will be given to believe the lie.

The real delusion is self righteousness just like in the time of Noah. Every man did what was right in his own eyes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

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The holy spirit is the spirit of truth and christ which leads into all truth idk what overcome2 was getting at

 

[john832]

God committed His word to Israel. God made His Christ of the flesh of Israel. Israel still looks for her Messiah. Israel still has a testimony of Christ even though she is blind in part to it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You won't find that in modern day Israel.

 

[BradC]

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You won't find that in modern day Israel.

The testimony of Christ in Israel (which is against them) is that Israel (as a people) rejected and crucified him as Messiah and the prophecy given by the Spirit, to the prophets of old, is that of the second coming (which they believe to be the one and only time Messiah will come) at which time they will see him and recognize him after great tribulation as the one who they have pierced and that is future. At that time he will come, he will smite and judge the nations, cast the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire, bind the devil for a millennium in the bottomless pit and set up a theocratic kingdom and reign on the throne of David for 1,000 years until Satan is loosed for a little season.

 

[notuptome]

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

You won't find that in modern day Israel.

Modern day Israel is apostate against that I will offer no argument but Israel is still God's chosen people among the nations. Prophecy is of Israel this too is unchanged. Israel is blinded and unfaithful toward God yet God remains faithful. The same faithfulness that God demonstrates to us He shows to Israel. The arm of Jehovah is not shortened that He cannot save. One day all Israel will be saved, those alive and see Messiah descending from the clouds. The tribulation is Gods judgment to bring Israel to the point where she looks up and calls to Him to rescue her. The church is not appointed to wrath nor judgment having already been forgiven and justified in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[2Tim3vs16]

Did you read the entire ch Isa. 65? It is distinguishing between non-believers and so-called Christians and the ones that those that prove themselves to be God's true servants. The great crowd or multitude, which no man could number (Rev 7:9) will have their reward for faithfulness and truth to God right here on earth. The Bible consistently teaches that God separates people and tells of rewards for those doing his will and the contrasting punishment that will befall all others. Since God created the world and everything on it, God's position is basically, if you do not choose me and follow the example and leadership of my son Jesus Christ then you don't get to live and be a part of my plan. Simple, really. And The 144,000 chosen (Rev 7:4-8)to rule with Christ as kings over God's faithful earthly servants (Rev 5:10)
So you are correct there are three groups of people The Great Crowd/Multitude sheep, the goats (Matt 25:31-41) (cross ref with Rev 20:10), and the 144,000 (Rev 14:1-3) (Rev 7:4-8) They will be merciful judges with Christ because they know what it is to be an imperfect human and our struggles from experience.

You are right Satan's mission is to turn and mislead as many people as possible so that they lose sight of Gods Will and die. The Bible describes the Devil as being like a roaring lion seeking to devour someone (1Pet 5:8) And he does it by confusing us with the imperfect traditions and interpretations of man. The ONLY PROTECTION for us, is to ALWAYS go to the Bible to see what God's expectations are for us and avoiding the opinions of other humans. Christ is the only human example we should be following. But the world of full of spiritual leaders doling out milk to their infant congregations. But now is the time God's people are getting the spiritual meaty meal we need to sustain us in times of tribulation. Those people with spiritual maturity stand out in contrast to the rest of the world and the worlds religions because they are speaking differently. They speak like soldiers who know how to use the sword God has given. (Mat 22:14) says, "For there are many invited, but few chosen. Remember? Not everyone saying, "Lord, Lord" will inherit the kingdom. It takes intelligent thinking to serve God. "Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid." (Prov 12:1)
The Bible is constantly, teaching us how to think and adjust our thinking to align our behavior and personal appearance to glorify God. God hates "stupid" (2Tim 2:23)

It's good that you are seeing the contradictions in religion, but are you looking for the one's that are learning Bible truths by actually examining and studying it? The Scriptures were given to us to clear up our confusion that Satan's dogma's create.

 

[zone]

The testimony of Christ in Israel (which is against them) is that Israel (as a people) rejected and crucified him as Messiah and the prophecy given by the Spirit, to the prophets of old, is that of the second coming (which they believe to be the one and only time Messiah will come) at which time they will see him and recognize him after great tribulation as the one who they have pierced and that is future. At that time he will come, he will smite and judge the nations, cast the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire, bind the devil for a millennium in the bottomless pit and set up a theocratic kingdom and reign on the throne of David for 1,000 years until Satan is loosed for a little season.

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Christian Zionism: The Tragedy & The Turning, Part I

A must see to understand why Christian Zionists support war in the MIddle East to protect Israel. Find out how how Cyrus I Scofield's reference Bible was used to promote Christian Zionism over a hundred years ago.

 

[BradC]

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Christian Zionism: The Tragedy & The Turning, Part I

A must see to understand why Christian Zionists support war in the MIddle East to protect Israel. Find out how how Cyrus I Scofield's reference Bible was used to promote Christian Zionism over a hundred years ago.

Do you live in this vain imagination that if Darby and Scofield had never lived that we would not believe in dispensational truth or in that which the Spirit reveals in the scriptures? Do you think that the catching away of the church would have never been revealed as a mystery of the church and that all believers would believe as you do? You are in a minority and you pine with the idea that the rest of us have been deceived with heresy. I guess we don't have the same Spirit or the mind of Christ in these matters of doctrine.

 

[zone]

Do you live in this vain imagination that if Darby and Scofield had never lived that we would not believe in dispensational truth or in that which the Spirit reveals in the scriptures? Do you think that the catching away of the church would have never been revealed as a mystery of the church and that all believers would believe as you do? You are in a minority and you pine with the idea that the rest of us have been deceived with heresy. I guess we don't have the same Spirit or the mind of Christ in these matters of doctrine.

"Do you think that the catching away of the church would have never been revealed as a mystery of the church and that all believers would believe as you do?"

you mean Pretribulation Rapture?

something "that which the Spirit [NEVER] reveals in the scriptures"?

"I guess we don't have the same Spirit or the mind of Christ in these matters of doctrine"

one of us doesn't.

 

[Katy-follower]

The He in verse 7 is who? Where is He taken?

2 Thess 2:7: "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way"

Just incase anyone missed it. We see God is always addressed in scripture with a capital - God, Him, He, His, etc. The "He" mentioned here is obviously the Holy Spirit