What Laws are still valid to christians

[cfultz3]

Actually, it is quite clear what the problem is...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The mind which is upon flesh is in enmity with God, seeing that it is not subjugated to God's Law (Love) , neither indeed can it be.

A mind (soul) which is upon the flesh has yet died to the flesh so that by its spirit, it can live by God's Law (Law). Why can't it be? Because it is still trying to find its righteousness through physical deeds (the opposite of spiritual deeds).

 

[homwardbound]

What Laws are still valid to christians


All those you believe are worthy to keep, specially those concerning car traffic. He! He!

At least I still try the basic 10 commands.

More like you know all things are permissible, just not all are beneficial, such as running red lights, and speeding and, so on and so forth, we are to learn from mistakes made, not be overly punished for them.
or by the grace of God there go "I", making a muck of things again, walking according to me flesh, not the Spirit of God.
Learning to just trust and seek what God wants first in all thoughts that come to the mind

 

[homwardbound]

Galatians 5:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Here are the instructions, or (hear the instructions) of how to love your neighbor. God describes and identifies an attitude we are to have toward others.

Leviticus 19:1-18 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

If one is born again from God by God. does not one then walk by the Spirit of God, or at least learn to trust unto it being 24/7 by God's Spirit, being convinced that by the death of Christ they also are dead to flesh nature with Christ's death of flesh. Thus alive to God in the resurrected Christ in the same Spirit that Christy sent us after his ascension?

 

[Hizikyah]

It would be such a blessing if we had some kind of book that maybe gave us a guide on how to love???? that way our minds couldnt get in the way and define love by our own definition.....

Ohh whats that, there is such a book???

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your hneighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Whats that Yahshua? "On these two commandments hang all the Law"

Ohh so you mean like all these?

Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

im sure glad I didnt decide what was love, and choose to make myself above Yahweh, no I choose to fully submit to Instructions that are sweeter than honey.

In all seriousness. I love Yahweh and I love His instructions, I take great joy in them! I think Him for letting me know what kind of person He wants me to be. and I want to be exactly what He wants.

 

[homwardbound]

Related scripture to previous post # 877

Genesis 2:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mark 8:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Acts 15:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Luke 13:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

And Christ did this for us through his death, made us this so we can present us to God this way through the death of Christ. so Father can raise us also to new life in the Spirit of God if we will quit our man works and believe, RECIEVE THE FREE GIFT FROM GOD THE FATHER through the completed cross of Christ. Starting at the death, completed in the resurrection

[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I see you refuse to reply to the verses I posted even after I repeatedly answered yours.....

See this is the game you play. I asked for clarity to your ambiguous response, and you try to dodge a full revelation by throwing up this roadblock.

 

[Hizikyah]

See this is the game you play. I asked for clarity to your ambiguous response, and you try to dodge a full revelation by throwing up this roadblock.

you are doing what you acuse me of.

I BELIEVE IN EVRY SINGE COMMAND YAHSHUA EVER GAVE.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

He is unable to.

I am quite able to, but I don't waste my time chasing after distractions.

Would you like to join the discussion and answer my question? Who do you obey? Moses or Christ?

(if you have the courage and honesty of heart to do so. just-me and hizikyah have not found such yet.)

 

[homwardbound]

It is to remember what God has does in our the previous 6 days of the week, and remember His perfection of all creation. It is related to entering into his rest. According to what I have read, no one really knows the correct Sabbath day from creation. That doesn't give us the right to neglect the Spiritual meaning thereof. There is a reason for everything that God instituted. We surely should not neglect any part of it. It's all Spiritual, for God is a Spirit.

John 4:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Therefore "I" am at rest 24/7, remembering this daily, no matter what I have got in front of me, for that day. It starts off with prayer each and every morning getting my instructions in Faith to God, remembering that in trust to Father through Son's finished work at the cross, "I" can rest in God's Love to me and my cup overflows 24/7, even in the midst of any adversity.
It is all trust to Father and nothing can snatch one out of his hand. so trust God and be content in all things seeing what God has done for you, through Son

 

[Elin]

The argument about the argument:

This is true that eternity is at stake. What do you think Jesus will say to you because of your arguing and instigation of conflict? How does the Bible say to win people over to the truth?

Titus 3:2-5 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

2 Timothy 2:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Yep. Paul was our example.. He confronted them. He did not let them go on believing the lie.

But if you feel ok allowing them to go on and think they are ok.. then thats on you.

But do us a favor. Please do not sit hear and say you see no one teaching this, when YOU KNOW IT IS NOT TRUE..

That is what started this argument in the first place!

See? there you go again assuming that I believe something else than from the beginning of our conversation. If I am a legalist, as you were saying, how is it that all of a sudden I'm just letting people go, and not condemning their actions by the condemnation that we find in the law?

What started the argument in the first place was your assumptions of my beliefs.

No. what started it was you making accusations. which I countered.

And you still deny what I said is true.

It has nothing to do with condemning anyone actions by the condemnation found in the law. We all believe this.

It has to do with someone claiming we can be saved, and if we do not follow the law. We will LOSE that salvation. Which is a false gospel. You either agree or disagree. its up to you!

No one can show you anymore than what you already know.
Your spiritual growth is at a stalemate.

Non-responsive.

I think your true self just showed.

I asked you a question. you did not answer.

I did answer my view. and all you can do is attack me. (you could not even refute what I said)

Your true self shines through..

Good night!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

you are doing what you acuse me of.

I BELIEVE IN EVRY SINGE COMMAND YAHSHUA EVER GAVE.

That's a non-response because I have clearly demonstrated that one cannot follow both Moses and Christ in regards to physical circumcision. You are simply avoiding answering the question via ambiguity and obfuscation.

 

[homwardbound]

The law of love is still valid to christians

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:


Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


if you loved your neighbor would you steal from him?
Thou shalt not steal.
If you loved your neighbor would you fornicate with his wife when he was gone?
Thou shalt not commit adultery
if you loved your neighbor would you go kill him?
Thou shalt not kill.
If you loved your mother and father, would you dishonor them?
honor your father and mother
if you loved yourself would you covet and spend money for the childrens clothes and schooling to buy an iphone?
thou shalt not covet.

Jesus said to someone who wanted to get into heaven
what shall I do?
he said keep the law of love
dont kill steal commit adultery etc.

No chritian will go to heaven if he kills steals lies commits adultery fornicates and dishonors his mother and father

so the new gospel you dont have to keep the law means you dont have to love anyone is false.

Jesus said:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

some christians say to fulfill is to destroy it

so they say Jesus said this:
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to destroy.
makes no sense at all

fulfill means to keep it perfectly
Follow me
read the gospels and see how he lived.
follow me.

after Jesus diead, rose and went to heaven Paul taught this:
1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

and they won't if they do not repent (change their life)

I do agree with all said here except how can anyone of us do this? not of flesh can anyone?
So might we think we need first to see:
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

just some food for thought to consider how deep is the Love of God?

 

[Elin]

God saves sinners by Grace thru Faith which leads to good works:
We are commanded by God to save ourselves by Repentance, Faith and Good works, obedience to Jesus. If one doesn't believe in these two statements, he is a baby in his Bible knowledge. Love to all, Hoffco

Did you mean to say it that way?

 

[just-me]

That's a non-response because I have clearly demonstrated that one cannot follow both Moses and Christ in regards to physical circumcision. You are simply avoiding answering the question via ambiguity and obfuscation.

Why argue the point when we all agree (according to the law) that it's a heart thing?

 

[Elin]

I don't feel it necessary to counter everything. I thought this time I'd hang in there with you and let others see how you really are. Maybe other people get of on arguing about God's word but I really don't. I'm in conflict with your attitude as a proclaiming Christian. Keep in mind,
Jesus had no conflict whit the Pharisees that I have ever read in the Bible, until they started a conflict with Him. They had distorted the law to complement their own righteousness. If you think I am doing that, then I ask you, i my father the devil as there's was? Yes or no.

So then conflict is not wrong.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Did you mean to say it that way?

There is some truth to that:

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 1 Timothy 4:16​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why argue the point when we all agree (according to the law) that it's a heart thing?

Well for you specifically, you say one thing and then say the exact opposite. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.

 

[Elin]

Hebrews 5:9 "And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him," 1Tim. 4:16 "Take heed to your self and to the doctrine, Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you" Heb. 10:38-39 " Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, my soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul." This is God's word , do not argue over it, seek to understand it! Hoffco

And that would be his new command to love the brethren as he loved us (Jn 13:34),
not as we love ourselves,
to love God with all our being, and to love our neighbor as ourselves (Mt 22:37-39),
for love fulfills (accomplishes) the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10).

 

[just-me]

So then conflict is not wrong.

If the Pharisees would not have started it with Jesus, I'm pretty sure that Jesus would have said this to His disciples.
Matthew 8:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

If we who advocate that the law is good are lost, then how would you win us to Christ? If that were the case with me, I'd think about this scripture.

1 Corinthians 9:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

 

[just-me]

Well for you specifically, you say one thing and then say the exact opposite. A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.

That's because I think you lack Spiritual discernment.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

You don't agree with the circumcision of the heart being part of the law then? So I'll let you answer this question.