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cfultz3
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I hate when the "like" button does not work
Josh,
You are indeed full of the Holy Spirit.
What Laws are still valid to christians
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Josh,
You are indeed full of the Holy Spirit.
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cfultz3
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To God's Law? Through?
There is the Law of Sin and there is the Law of God.....my soul chooses Love....
John said it ever so much more succinctly...
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Well, I need to get back to the book I'm putting together. FYI if any one is interested, I named it "The Old Testament Ministry of Christ."
It's based on this scripture
Hebrews 9:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
It's based on this scripture
Hebrews 9:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
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cfultz3
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That is not in agreement with the NT word of God.
NT "justified" = "declared righteous, guiltless, right standing before God," as result of sin being forgiven through faith in the blood of Jesus (Ro 3:25).
Faith is by God's grace (Eph 2:8), which is totally unmerited favor.
Obedience is proof of one's saving faith, and always accompanies the change of heart given in the new birth by faith.
It's grace--->faith--->obedience.
Faith alone saves, but faith never exists alone, saving faith always shows itself in obedience.
Obedience does not count to eternal life, it is the result of eternal life.
Obedience does not save, it is simply a manifestation of the faith that saves.
Don't mix law with grace.
Note that faith having set them free from sin. . .holiness is now the fruit, is now the result, of the faith which saves, and not in any way the cause of being saved.
And this saving faith which always practices obedience ends in, culminates in, spending eternity with God.
Don't mix the right things in the wrong way.
Don't mix law with grace.
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Chinekwu
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Not quite. . .
Yes, in the OT law keeping was required for salvation.
But in the NT, obedience is the result of salvation.
Don't mix law with grace.
Yes. . .and that righteousness is a righteousness from God (Ro 3:21), the gift of God (Ro 5:17)
through faith by grace (Eph 2:8), and not by law keeping.
Obedience is the result of the gift of righteousness from God, not its cause.
Don't mix the right things in the wrong way.
Don't mix law with grace.
What about:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
And "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Jn 6:29)
Faith is the work according to which every man will be judged.
And their faith will be shown by their obedience.
But it is the faith that saves, not the works (Eph 2:8-9).
Don't mix law with grace.
Is the below not what we should be doing, all of us:
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Is this not done through belief, we follow the leader?
So the ? is who is the leader self or God?
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Is this not done through belief, we follow the leader?
So the ? is who is the leader self or God?
i'm not even worthy of it... but the God of all the universe choose to save a sinner like me... and everything i'm saying i can only say from personal experience, what truly happen to me that made me known that God had save me, i actually died to the world literally, that's why i say i really wish everyone on this forum knew me before i was saved.. because after that.. it was like addicted to cannabis alcohol, lust hatred yesterday and addicted to the love of God the other day.. and it's not my doing.. no sir not one bit no human can change themselves like that it's just not possible a supernatural being had to do it, that's why i can explain what the spirit of the law means i became addicted to righteousness and the will of God because as the bible say the holy spirit FULFILLS IT in us that is one LOVE is to fulfill the law because we become one with the law already when we are save we no longer do the things contained in the law but the do the will of God instead
That is Gnostic thinking.
The NT knows nothing of "spiritual" and "non-spiritual" meanings of anything.
The meaning of the word of God is what is openly written, not something hidden that must be discovered.
God's word is exoteric, not esoteric.
Please give an example of this "spiritual" meaning not already given in its openly written meaning.
So when we make something complete, make it whole, it no longer applies and becomes completely useless?
The revelation spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2), through the NT writers, includes more than just the gospels.
It includes the whole NT, in which light all Scripture is to be understood.
Mattithyah 5:18 "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."
I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:
Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "
Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.
Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."
enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.
The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished, not the Law it's self.[/QUOTE]
Wonder what Christ meant when He spoke these...
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
And then said this....
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
And this...
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
When that which is perfect has come, what need is there for that which merely pointed to that which is perfect? When you reach your travel destination, do you continue to rely on the map that got you there?
Same thing as law vs. Christ.