Faith to believe on Christ !

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Please tell me who do you think you are, please with all your rhetoric remarks as in saying I am blasphemous? When you just posted the love of God in the Spirit on Gal.5:22 and yet make snide remarks to me, as I am, well let us quote one.

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Originally Posted by homwardbound Sorry you can't see past your own self in all this and communicate, better, I have tried and never to your satisfaction, no matter though You are loved just as God loves all. Maybe read 1Cor 13, I am again and asking for this type of Love from God, I myself need reminded of this daily that my flesh does not have this type of Love, But God does in my new Spirit that God gave me, you,and all that believe God. So we all can live together in his type of Love,
Thanks have a blessed day, pray for me as I pray for you, Thank you

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit

Us being born again here and now to me is the most important of all. Alive to God in Spirit and dead to flesh nature, for God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth John 4:23-24
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Then you replied with this quote below, and this is not the first time, you have said things like this to me with no love of Gal. 5:22 as you Quoted in post #119
below is the quote you posted from post # 113
You need to learn how to quit slandering and misrepresenting people mr good christian !
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So please, talk to me with Love, God's type, thanks, I do love you, yet you do make it difficult, when for whatever reason you get mad for at others and me.
I have not slandered you, said bad things to you, except apparently at your own interpretation, and since you have taken whatever as bad, I don't know what to tell you, except that I mean nothing bad to anyone, and I know I do not need to worry over this since God knows my heart, I am thus judge by no man, not even myself judges me, God does and has
All in love from God to savedbygrace. Whether you know it or not you have had many good points that have helped me in my walk, no matter what your intention might be. That is between God and you. so whatever trip, of hatred you are on, talk to Father trough Son. Thanks
 
Heb 11:1 is Not Natural Human Faith !



Heb 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

This Faith is not that which is of the human nature, the natural man, or of the flesh. This is True because its gives evidence of things not seen by the natural eye, and the natural man is not capacitated to walk outside of its realm of creation, which is natural and things that are seen, for which reason Paul can say only to the regenerate or born again, We walk by Faith and not by Sight 2 Cor 5:5-7

5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight )

To begin a Walk by Faith we must first have been Given the Spirit.

The natural man can no more have this Faith [ Heb 11:1] in God as can a elephant ! Man by nature are as beasts. You can preach the Gospel of God to an elephant all day long, and it will never be able to believe it, so it is with the natural man, not born of the Spirit. Man before a miraculous New Birth is only natural 1 Cor 15:46

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

That's why it is written, 1 Jn 5:1

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

In the original it would read " whosoever is believing that Jesus is the Christ, has been born of God !

In other words, the believing in the Christos is an evidence of having been born of God. For its not until one is born again that we can believe things not discerned by human reason or sense 1 Cor 2:13-15

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. Note: Paul is speaking of the Gospel as the things he speaks !

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

This is key, notice, he that is spiritual [born f the Spirit] Judgeth all things, that is Doctrines of the Gospel.

The judging here is not natural matters, but spiritual matters, Spiritual Gospel Truths, Spiritual realties of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, Christ Crucified as stipulated in Vs 2 of the same passage 1 Cor 2:2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

And Natural Human Faith cannot understand the Truths regarding this, but only a God Given Faith such as described in Heb 11:1,6 !63
 
We believed because ordained to Eternal Life !



Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified (praised and gave thanks for) the Word of God; and as many as were destined (appointed and ordained) to eternal life believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Jesus as the Christ and their Savior).

48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord.Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.

The False teachers of our day would pervert this text and have it mean, as many as did believe were ordained to Eternal Life, but that is called wresting scripture, which all who do such, shall shortly give in account in the day of Judgment.

Believing because of having been ordained to eternal life is of the same Truth s that of being ordained to walk in good works Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath beforeordained that we should walk in them.

10 For we are God’s [own] handiwork (His workmanship), recreated in Christ Jesus, [born anew] that we may do those good works which God predestined (planned beforehand) for us [taking paths which He prepared ahead of time], that we should walk in them [living the good life which He prearranged and made ready for us to live]. AMP

For Believing is merely one of many of those Good Works God ordained the Chosen in Christ [Eph 1:4] to walk in . To walk in Faith as their Father Abraham Rom 4:12

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
Because they were Abraham's Seed Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Hence they are the Elect to Faith Obedience through Sanctification of the Spirit 1 Pet 1:2

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience [of faith] and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

And that this Obedience is Faith or belief of the Truth is confirmed in Paul's similar comment here 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Its the obedience of Faith that the Spirit causes in them Rom 16:26

26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Yes, that's the Blessing of Abraham Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

So those believing in Jn 3:16 are exactly those ordained to Eternal Life Acts 13:48, who had been ordained to walk in Good Works like their Father Abraham Jn 8:39

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Believing is a Work, and a Good Work. Who can deny that Abraham's Works consisted mostly in evidences of His Faith or Believing God ?

Believing is a work, a act of the Mind or Heart, an obedience, however in this case its the act of the Newly Created man or woman Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Yes, we must First be Created unto the Good Work of Faith or Believing, then we can walk in the Faith of our Father Abraham !64
 
The Natural Man cannot believe in Christ !

How can the Natural man, he that has never been born again of the Spirit of God, how can such a one believe into Christ, resulting from an Gospel Command 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

For scripture states plainly of the Natural Man Rom 8:7-8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law / Command of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Does Believing on Christ Please God ? Yes, Look at 1 Jn 3:22


22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep[give heed to] his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now how can anyone born only of the flesh, meaning by natural childbirth alone, Jn 3:6

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

How can such a one have a mind set on anything other than things of the flesh ? The Mindset is only consistent with what we are by nature. The Mindset of an Gorilla can only be that of an Gorilla and not a Sparrow, Two different natures ! If we are of the Flesh, the mind set is set on things of the Flesh,which mindset Paul says is enmity against God, and so enmity against Christ !! and thats just the way it is,so the remedy Jesus states Jn 3:6-7

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Even the mindset man had in the beginning, in Adam, it was enmity against God, evidenced when tempted by the serpent !65
 
The centurion's faith healed his servant, Jesus offered to go see the servant but the centurion told Jesus, Lord i am not worthy, and told Jesus that if Jesus would only speak the word his servant would be healed. i'm not sure if the centurion was born again at the time of his servant being healed. The woman with the issue of blood believed that if she could only touch the garment of Jesus she would be healed, so she was able to touch the garment of Jesus, and was healed. i' not sure if these two people was born again but their faith healed them both.Of course their faith in Jesus did the healing. Forgive me if i offended any one, i'm a social miss fit, and though it looks like i don't speak lovely, i really do love you all.
 
Brother_Don said:
The centurion's faith healed his servant, Jesus offered to go see the servant but the centurion told Jesus, Lord i am not worthy, and told Jesus that if Jesus would only speak the word his servant would be healed. i'm not sure if the centurion was born again at the time of his servant being healed. The woman with the issue of blood believed that if she could only touch the garment of Jesus she would be healed, so she was able to touch the garment of Jesus, and was healed. i' not sure if these two people was born again but their faith healed them both.Of course their faith in Jesus did the healing. Forgive me if i offended any one, i'm a social miss fit, and though it looks like i don't speak lovely, i really do love you all.
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Thanks Don, and I am sure that they were not yet born again, the Spirit of God living in them that is. The Spirit of god never lived in anyone prior to the cross, the resurrection and day of Pentecost. So I know and you know they believed and therefore they were well. There was no doubt, no second guessing as there is in you as well. you know in whom you believe, and thus you know you too have received, why? Because God is good, loving and Merciful, shown to us all by Son Jesus. so just believe , receive and see.
Thanks for your post
 
Brother_Don said:
The centurion's faith healed his servant, Jesus offered to go see the servant but the centurion told Jesus, Lord i am not worthy, and told Jesus that if Jesus would only speak the word his servant would be healed. i'm not sure if the centurion was born again at the time of his servant being healed. The woman with the issue of blood believed that if she could only touch the garment of Jesus she would be healed, so she was able to touch the garment of Jesus, and was healed. i' not sure if these two people was born again but their faith healed them both.Of course their faith in Jesus did the healing. Forgive me if i offended any one, i'm a social miss fit, and though it looks like i don't speak lovely, i really do love you all.
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So do you plan on explaining all of those verses and showing how they are relevant to the thread, or post 125 ?
 
Faith and Repentance !



Faith in Christ and Repentance towards God Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faith in Christ and Repentance toward God are acts from those who have a much superior quality of life given them than the life they had from adam, or out of the flesh. They are acts indicative of having Spiritual Life from Christ communicated to them by His Spirit.

Its only an Holy Life that can respond to a Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

With a Holy Faith Jude 1:20

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

Such would require a True Holy Man already Created Eph 4:24

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

That's the man who responds in Faith to the Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,66
 
Love you, savedbygrace, because that is the only way to be saved is by God's grace, given to us through the finished work of Christ, if we believe God. And God is the only one that knows who are his, no matter which way, I, you or anyone slices, dices and or cubes the truth, and not saying that you are, am saying for us all to take it to God who is living in those that do believe, and will live in those that decide to believe God, for God is Faithful, Merciful, kind and loving to all, and is waiting for all to come to belief, if all will, that is in God's merciful hands not mine, yours or anyone else's.
1 Corinthians 2:2 For I judged not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

so I have decided to be careful how I build and asked God to teach the truth over error(s) that I have made, and have the propensity to make again
In all humility to all, thanks
 
Faith in Jesus Christ and Repentance toward God are blessings of the Everlasting Covenant or at times termed The Covenant of Grace, or The New Covenant, which is ordered in all things which pertain to Salvation, which the saintly David acknowledged 2 Sam 23:5

5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

That word ordered is the Hebrew word `arak and means:

to arrange, set or put or lay in order, set in array, prepare, order, ordain,

The Triune Covenant God has provided in it [Everlasting Covenant] all that is needed and required for full Salvation to be experienced by all the Elect, from Time to Eternity, which does include believing on Christ Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

This could very well and truthfully read "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him ".

When ungodly men teach that Faith in Christ is an condition performed by men to secure their Salvation, they corrupt the Covenant, and Pervert its Blessedness.

That both Faith and Repentance are blessings of the New or Everlasting Covenant is pointed out in these words Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Its then we are made meet to obey the Gospel ordinances [ a decree or command] Gospel Commands of God Acts 17:30

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now [God] commandeth all men every where to repent:

1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Acts 16:31

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Believe here is an Gospel imperative, a command ! If this Gospel Imperative is obeyed its because of this Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 67
 
svedbygrace said:
Please rehearse with me the points of post135 one by one. Thanks !
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I am sorry, I see no use in this as you continue to refute any and all things I ever say, and yet you claim to have God's love, the fruits of what you say in reaction, prove to me different, and yet I love you anyway along with Father of Christ
Thanks
 
homwardbound said:
I am sorry, I see no use in this as you continue to refute any and all things I ever say, and yet you claim to have God's love, the fruits of what you say in reaction, prove to me different, and yet I love you anyway along with Father of Christ
Thanks
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You always just talk, a lot of wind.
 
svedbygrace said:
You always just talk, a lot of wind.
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[h=3]John 3:5-8[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ [SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
 
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