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dmdave17

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This is an issue that doesn't get a lot of attention nowadays, because "the world" has changed. But the thing is, God hasn't. There was a reason why the Apostle, Paul cautioned women to wear moderate clothing in church.

We have all admitted that an inappropriately dressed woman will turn our heads; in church or anywhere else. But let's examine God's perspective. Jesus said, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) That's a pretty concrete statement; not a lot of room for conjecture. He went on to say, “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. So watch yourselves." (Luke 17:2-3, emphasis added)

Let's be honest. You can deny it all you want, but the only reason a woman wears a certain kind of clothing is to be noticed. Therefore, it is my view that when men look at them, they are "causing" them to stumble. I rest my case.

God bless.
 

Dude653

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Also, many teens don't quite have the life experience and wisdom to know how far back to draw the line. This is a touchy subject for me for many reasons, so please do not take offense. It is not my intention to offend. There is a line. There are considerations.
As me as an adult: I was raised by a mother who was shaming and made me feel like I just wanted to walk around naked. For the most part, I was a big improvement on your average teen. But to my mother, everything was too much if it covered less than a habit. My mom comes from a long line of body shame.
I have thought long and hard about this subject. I have researched. I have asked both good men and women. I believe a lot of women approach modesty out of fear. I don't need anymore fear in my life. Many lay out a list of things that you can and cannot wear. No two piece bathing suits, no short shorts which could mean anything, no v-neck, no short skirts (again anything could apply here), etc. I feel like the subscript it "cover up because you're body is dangerous if you don't." Two stories: my mom still constantly nitpicks at EVERY outfit. I try to respect her wishes, but I don't feel like I need to dress like a nun to cater to her body fears. I have gotten to a point, now at 27, where she isn't allowed to comment on my wardrobe. I have plenty of friends who I've given that freedom to.
There is a woman at my church who takes me shopping every year. I haven't been able to turn her down since "you drive me
insane!" doesn't really seem to be an appropriate excuse. She is constantly telling me my clothes are to tight. But her definition of tight, is fitting. I'm sorry I look like a woman. I won't be made to look like a boy. I had a pair of long shorts that I could pull off without unzipping. To
her they were too tight. I had a two piece bathing suit on with a long t-shirt over it. She made me put on
sorts even though there was a girl with a string bikini on in her pool too.
I read an article once am it comforts that we really need to balance our "blame" out here. Women have a responsibility to drive conservatively. They don't have to make sure to hide every curve. There should be no shame in being a woman or looking like one. Men have the responsibility to divert their attention. Both sexes have the responsibility to realize that a girls "immodesty" isn't always intentional. You address it like someone with their zipper down. You assume first that the didnt know. This, of course, is in the case of what I would consider mild slip-ups. Just like most people don't realize when their zippers down, we don't always realize we're hanging out, see through, too short, etc. I've been told by men they are afraid to ask a girl to fix themselves because girls get creeped out. I can understand and I'm sorry for all the girls who made you feel like a pervert for trying to be honorable. Let me
tell you. Girls should be honored that any guy who give you the hike-up-your-shirt gesture. Sure it's embarrassing, but he's also saying, "I care about you enough that
will honor you by helping myself and others avoid temptation that would dishonor you.". In short, they tell you because they believe you deserve to be honored or else
they'd keep staring. Guys, it is an honoring thing to say (not literally) "cover them puppies up!".
Girls are not off the hook. Those oops moments should be foreseen, but it's a
growing process.
But sometimes those oops moments are just an excuse for a guy to think, "she's TRYING to stumble me! I give up.". I read an article once and it was disturbing. It was a study done on Christian men about what was considered tempting and what was just a stumbling block. Some of the results were ridiculous. Men were literally telling women, "your body is a stumbling block so you cannot be normal.". 1) ascending and descending stairs. 2) running or most forms of exercise. 3). Stretching (like for a yawn). These were some of the most insulting. I get it why these could be stumbling blocks, but going this route will leave us wearing burkas and sitting cross legged all day. Men have a responsibility to honor women by looking away. There is grace for you just as there is grace for us. So, in that case, girls really need to learn to graciously tell their guy friends to roll up their tongues and stop drooling. I believe women shame men a lot and also that men maybe just as unintentional in theirs as we are in our. But perhaps, we need to honor men on this area just as we should be honored by them. Forewarn them I you're going down a street with an exceptional provocative billboard. Tell them when the scene has passed. I don't know guys. What can we do?
As a teacher: There has always been a no spaghetti strap rule in schools here. I taught 5th grade, but when a first grader walked by with a
spaghetti strap shirt on they didn't understand why there was a double standard. In schools especially, there should be no double standard. It doesn't if I fill it out and they don't. The rule should be across the board. But many teachers don't realize this. If I have to tell my student, "honey, we don't allow spaghetti strap shirts at school." then you better say the same to your 6-yr-old student.

Cultural shifts:
So cultural and time also influences modesty. In Africa, there was nothing immodest about cleavage or bare breasts. They are almost completely non-sexual. But in tight Muslim countries, you have to cover everything. Years ago an ankle was too provocative. So I wonder what the standards are now. Gentlemen: Is any cleavage
too much? Is more or less worse? What about the cleavage shadow? The I had to bend over and pick something up cleavage? What about the accented waist with a belt, or a "curve hugging" cut? Whats a short dress/skirt? Do leggings/ tights underneath matter? How about leggings as pants? Shall we cover every curve? How tight is too tight? The paint on reference is subjective. Im asking these in reference to everday dress.
I've asked this of my pastor and he seems to conclude that women need not down play their curves. There is nothing shameful about being shaped like a woman. Your figure should not be treated as a danger. If a woman has some curvy sex appeal in a non cleavage baring, moderate length dress; then the guy needs to watch himself. It's nothing wrong with the woman just because she's fills her dress well.
If you have a mirror...you know your boobies are poppin out
 

shawntc

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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
The skinny jeans may catch my eye for a second, but unless she has a... I'm going to be blunt here... rather big butt it doesn't faze me.

Haven't noticed the strapless dresses. That wouldn't bother me unless it's low cut. Then my eyes are gonna be fighting me.

One of the girls in my youth group, who is about 17, is also occasionally part of the group of 3 ladies who sing during worship. One service she came in wearing tights, which left no part of her figure to the imagination from the waist down. And nobody said a word about it. That bothered me. In my book, tights constitute sensual dressing because, again, it's leaving next to nothing to the imagination and a good way to incite some lust.
 
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kaytyndy

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DECENCY is the word.....especially in PRAISE/worship team, we serve a jealous and Holy God, a Consuming Fire and A RIGHTEOUS JUDGE
 
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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
I don't see why it should cause any.
 
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Ugly

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This thread is 6 months old and the OP is no longer a member.
 
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Tintin

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I struggle with lust but this is a non-issue for me. Low-cut tops though, they're not good. Thankfully, those aren't an issue at my church, at least not with the worship team.

Sorry, I didn't realise this thread was old.
 
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Tintin

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Aaaah, too much cleavage!
 

JimJimmers

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Okay folks, I'll own up to this now, lol. Just having some harmless fun here, it's past midnight in my timezone and I'm getting goofy.

TinTin's seemingly strange post about cleavage was in response to a post I made and then deleted. This probably won't seem funny in the morning, but I'm laughing it up right now. Tintin has my full consent to prank me back by any means necessary. Goodnight all!
 
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There was a woman in a strapless dress on a praise team for youth summer camp a couple of years ago, which shocked me. I really had a hard time worshiping, what with my judgement of her and all... :p I was just so surprised that she would wear that at a camp with teenage boys full of hormones and testosterone. So after the service I asked my male co-counselor if that had bothered him, and he looked at me like he didn't know what the big deal was. A few responses here have been that strapless isn't such a problem. I guess this just proves that women have no idea what men are thinking about.

On the other hand, I once heard a man say that when he was a teenager there was a woman in his church who sat down in front of him with a strapless dress on. Because of the height of the back of her seat, when sitting down she appeared from behind to have no clothing at all on, and he found that to be a serious stumbling block.

I guess sometimes people just don't think. I'm always surprised by the amount of Christian women and girls who run around in summer with bikinis on. Anyway, I know it's an old thread, but it's a good one anyway.
 
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overcomer2

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I know I'm not a man. I peeked in on your thread. This thread actually blessed me. Why because I wear skirts. (Long, ugly, can't see anything skirts. Why? because I'm my brothers keeper.
And men do us sisters a favor hide your pecks. We to need kept in this last hour.
 
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Tintin

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You need to honour your brother in Christ, but that doesn't mean you have to wear frumpy clothing. You can wear beautiful, modest clothing. Don't be afraid of who God made you and feel the need to call it 'modesty'.
 
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overcomer2

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Well, if you knew us women modest clothing is frumpy clothing. But I understand what you mean. My husband is still very much attracted to me.
 
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ServantStrike

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But yay for necro-thread bumps. This thread has taken a turn for the funny as well as the serious.

Aaaah, too much cleavage!
You may be one of the few men throughout history to ever utter that sentence. Any Christian man worth his salt will have uttered that sentence at least once. The offending article of clothing may change, but a man of God will, at one point or another, have been frustrated that a sister in Christ didn't cover up.

And there is a Huge gulf between covering up and wearing a burka. But, in a church, some of the men there may be on the backside of a major lust problem, while others may be fine. The standards in church should be higher than normal every day standards, because you have no idea what the people in the church are or are not going through.

And jeans and a shirt are fine. If the guy has a problem with that, he's seriously struggling and you could be wearing a burka and it wouldn't make a difference. That said, jeans that require the jaws of life should probably stay at home. There are skinny jeans, and then there are just-an-excuse-to-bend-over-provocatively jeans.

The problem I've seen with some of this isn't that someone is doing it because it's the style, they are doing it because they are actually trying to attract attention. Seriously, lots of women wear tight pants and then make every excuse in the book to drop things and show off. Women who are otherwise never that clumsy. Something is odd about it..

And yeah, Tintin, is right, a super low cut top is also a no no. Some of them are pretty much tube tops without an exposed midriff, and yeah, we men will take notice, even when we try not to.

Or, flesh toned skin tight clothing. Fortunately I've never seen that in a church, but one time I was close to calling the cops, it looked like something see through. Probably not the best thing to wear to church.
 
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Tintin

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My post was actually a response to a now-deleted photo of a hairy man with a deep V-neck top. It was a joke. But you're right, cleavage is a struggle. I'm not attracted to those who show too much but I'd be lying if I said that kind of thing doesn't get my attention, purely on a base-level. I much prefer tasteful-modesty. Modest is hottest. Both in dress and character.
 
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jimmydiggs

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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
Strapless dresses are ridiculous. Skinny pants are unnecessary, but not near as ridiculous as strapless dresses. I don't believe men should be with out shirts, have the sides cut out, or tight shirts showing their abs. A man's chest is just as much a sexual object in America as a woman's.
 
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jimmydiggs

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There was a woman in a strapless dress on a praise team for youth summer camp a couple of years ago, which shocked me. I really had a hard time worshiping, what with my judgement of her and all... :p I was just so surprised that she would wear that at a camp with teenage boys full of hormones and testosterone. So after the service I asked my male co-counselor if that had bothered him, and he looked at me like he didn't know what the big deal was. A few responses here have been that strapless isn't such a problem. I guess this just proves that women have no idea what men are thinking about.

On the other hand, I once heard a man say that when he was a teenager there was a woman in his church who sat down in front of him with a strapless dress on. Because of the height of the back of her seat, when sitting down she appeared from behind to have no clothing at all on, and he found that to be a serious stumbling block.

I guess sometimes people just don't think. I'm always surprised by the amount of Christian women and girls who run around in summer with bikinis on. Anyway, I know it's an old thread, but it's a good one anyway.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grace-Like-Rain again.
 
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ServantStrike

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Strapless dresses are ridiculous. Skinny pants are unnecessary, but not near as ridiculous as strapless dresses. I don't believe men should be with out shirts, have the sides cut out, or tight shirts showing their abs. A man's chest is just as much a sexual object in America as a woman's.
Yeah this too!
People need to stop putting themselves out there as sex objects and grow the heck up. We as Christians are supposed to be in the world but not of it. There needs to be a real and discernible difference in the way we carry ourselves, and even in the way we dress ourselves.


My post was actually a response to a now-deleted photo of a hairy man with a deep V-neck top. It was a joke. But you're right, cleavage is a struggle. I'm not attracted to those who show too much but I'd be lying if I said that kind of thing doesn't get my attention, purely on a base-level. I much prefer tasteful-modesty. Modest is hottest. Both in dress and character.
I once told a woman I thought Christianity was sexy. She didn't get it and thought I was weird. I didn't ask her out. I even explained that women who love Jesus were the ultimate in alluring to me, but she thought I was weird. Her loss. I'd never have pressured her for sex, or stared at another woman while on a date with her, or done any of the hundred things men are "expected" to do. But she wouldn't have done the things that I expect a woman to do (or I should say not do).
 
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I have a question for the men. I've noticed that in some churches, it seems that more and more women who are on praise teams, or wives of pastors are starting to wear Skinny Jeans/Pants, or strapless dresses during church. As a man, does this cause you more problems, or are you not really even affected by this?
The only thing that runs through my mind is that those women who wear this stuff are wanting to be attractive. According to the Word of God, if the way a woman dresses causes temptation it's the woman's fault, for temptation isn't sin, but the one causing temptation is wrong. It would stroke a woman's ego however.

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Romans 14:21-22 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
 

Nautilus

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oh no not shoulder...the harlot...seriously a strapless dress? Oh god she is showing an extra two inches of shoulder where she could have straps instead. However will the males in the church be able to focus on God with those shoulders showing?

This is ridiculous. Stop blaming it on what others where and instead focus on the fact that apparently youre too weak to control yourself.