What Laws are still valid to christians
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Originally Posted by just-me
Good question. I would reject that church
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
the church which would force him to be circumcised physically?
Originally Posted by just-me
So you are asking a question? or are you telling me the church is demanding? You have just blown me away.
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Originally Posted by just-me
Why ask a question when I already answered the question?
How can anyone answer a question about another churches thoughts when it's hypothetical, or if they never went to that church?
Try asking questions to people about themselves, rather than question about something else that they haven't had first hand knowledge about.
Ask the church that demanded a heart circumcised person to be circumcised in the flesh. The least you could do is tell me the church you are talking about so I can stay away from it. If I knew anything about the people there I would be more able to see the truth about the church. I know nothing about them except what you have said. So if that is avoiding the question, so be it. I consider your question as VERY unlearned.
2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Good question. I would reject that church
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
the church which would force him to be circumcised physically?
Originally Posted by just-me
So you are asking a question? or are you telling me the church is demanding? You have just blown me away.
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Originally Posted by just-me
Why ask a question when I already answered the question?
How can anyone answer a question about another churches thoughts when it's hypothetical, or if they never went to that church?
Try asking questions to people about themselves, rather than question about something else that they haven't had first hand knowledge about.
Ask the church that demanded a heart circumcised person to be circumcised in the flesh. The least you could do is tell me the church you are talking about so I can stay away from it. If I knew anything about the people there I would be more able to see the truth about the church. I know nothing about them except what you have said. So if that is avoiding the question, so be it. I consider your question as VERY unlearned.
2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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Answer this. What tells us of our need for salvation, and the need to die daily?
QUOTE]
That since we can't predict any future events good or bad, we are to die daily to the self flesh, and thus daily be alive to God for the instructions from father for that day.
The more one practices this truth, to do this by God permitting it to be, we are more alive to Love than ever before. as each and every day passes
It is being co-crucified with Christ, a participation that is much deeper that an imitation. for again it is through death to self, here and now, that we might see the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God, being totally aware of what being born again is.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:28-31[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? [SUP]30 [/SUP]And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP]I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
He is saying this to those that are boasting in their flesh, that are by the law and in what they do obey, thinking they are somebody
Speaking of there is no life without first dying to self with Christ in the carnal natured mind.
now if we do not die daily we are allowing our old self to get in the way somehow through deceitfulness and taking the credit, for what we do as the two men that went into the temple
[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
so let us al do this:
Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
And if a person is a child of God and wilfully disobeys the seventh Commandment, his/her reward is eternal death.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
So if one commits adultery, he is working ill to his neighbor and not fulfilling the Law of love. He is breaking the second great Command.
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No. That would mean the person is saved by the law. I thought you said you did not believe this? if a person is saved and did not obey, they would suffer whatever physical or emotional causal effect of breaking that law. Which would not be very good. And they would suffer the chastening of the Lord. Which is not pleasant at all.
But they would not be kicked out of the family.
He is doing far much more than this.
he is sinning against his own Body
He is sinning against his wife.
He is sinning against the woman he commited the sin with, and not respecting her or the Body God gave her
He is sinning against her spouse if she is married.
He is risking the breakdown of his own marraige, Which believe me, is painful. Expecially if you have kids.
thus he is sinning against his own kids.
And more importantly, he has sinned against God.
But they would not be kicked out of the family.
He is doing far much more than this.
he is sinning against his own Body
He is sinning against his wife.
He is sinning against the woman he commited the sin with, and not respecting her or the Body God gave her
He is sinning against her spouse if she is married.
He is risking the breakdown of his own marraige, Which believe me, is painful. Expecially if you have kids.
thus he is sinning against his own kids.
And more importantly, he has sinned against God.
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Another spin.
The question was asked what you would do.
You responded that you would reject the church, for what reason, I still do not know.
I ask you to explain your response
now you have twisted it back to fault me.
And all you had to do to answer the question is say,
No I would not say he needed to do this, and he would not be in sin if he did not.
or Yes, I would convict the person if he did not get this physical act done, And I would believe he is in sin.
If you did. we would not be having this discussion with people still trying to figure out what you believe. or what you would do
But instead, as always, You diverted, with no direct answer, But only an answer which could be interpreted in many ways, You would reject that church.
and when asked why. you diverted again.
The question was asked what you would do.
You responded that you would reject the church, for what reason, I still do not know.
I ask you to explain your response
now you have twisted it back to fault me.
And all you had to do to answer the question is say,
No I would not say he needed to do this, and he would not be in sin if he did not.
or Yes, I would convict the person if he did not get this physical act done, And I would believe he is in sin.
If you did. we would not be having this discussion with people still trying to figure out what you believe. or what you would do
But instead, as always, You diverted, with no direct answer, But only an answer which could be interpreted in many ways, You would reject that church.
and when asked why. you diverted again.
There is no weakness in or of the Law, it is there to show one the weakness of the flesh,
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
So continue to be dead to sin (flesh nature) daily and you might not sin that day being alive to God and believing you are you won't being alive in the Spirit of God. Just do this daily.
[h=3]1 John 2:12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.
[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
So continue to be dead to sin (flesh nature) daily and you might not sin that day being alive to God and believing you are you won't being alive in the Spirit of God. Just do this daily.
[h=3]1 John 2:12[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.
[h=3]1 John 2:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Originally Posted by just-me
Good question. I would reject that church
There is nothing hard about understanding my rejection of a church that would do such a thing. I gave you an answer from the heart. The answer is yes, I would reject the church. So you ask "And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer."
I don't know what they would consider of him for I am not them. Why didn't you ask what I considered instead of them?
Romans 8:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
die to your flesh and be alive to God:
- Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
- Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
And God's love shed abroad in us, in the Born again Spirit is the fulfillment that we are walk by and trust by, asking for the Holy Ghost of God to live through us and do the work of God through us, to bring in the lost sheep, by God only using us as a water glass is used by us. God is our Master as we are the Master of the water glass, and at our disposal we use the water glass and drink in what we need. So this is the same with God if we will ask God to use us this same way as we use a water glass. God's true love is then revealed, by God's Spirit our flesh nature out of the way, and the lost come to belief in God and are by God then born again and sealed by God sealed unto the day of Judgement
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The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Originally Posted by just-me
Good question. I would reject that church
There is nothing hard about understanding my rejection of a church that would do such a thing. I gave you an answer from the heart. The answer is yes, I would reject the church. So you ask "And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer."
I don't know what they would consider of him for I am not them. Why didn't you ask what I considered instead of them?
Romans 8:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
brother. I am going to be honest with you. Maybe you are brought up to answer things in this way. Maybe you just have different ways of doing things.
but people can not talk to you because of the way you answer.
It is like I ask you if two + 2 is four, your response is, well if you put two apples on the table, then add two apples what would you get> Well we could ASSUME you are saying it is 4. but in this world. we have learned never to assume anything.
so we ask again, so what would you get if you did that. your response. I did not put the apples on the table Ask the person that did.
we are left with NO CLUE as to what you believe, are frustrated because you continually do this. And then wonder why you get so upset when we keep asking you. When all you had to do is say yes.
Back to the question.
I said, A better question would be to ask them (them would be Just-me, and Hysikia and John or anyone else) if a person came into YOUR church, And this was the situation. Would you do this, or would you do that? And would you consider him to be in sin (A yes or no answer) How would you respond.
You said I would reject the church.
That can be taken one of two ways.
I would reject the church that did this
I would reject the church which did NOT do this.
but either way, Did not answer. Would you consider him to be in sin.
You have still not answered.. Why? Do you want me to guess?? I did try to guess by asking you what you meant, And you STILL diverted the question..
why? are you afraid of something??
Romans 13:8 Pay all your debts except the debt of love for others—never finish paying that! For if you love them, you will be obeying all of God’s laws, fulfilling all his requirements.
So are you still under the law, were the curse is shown to you being of flesh? Or do you uphold the Law in thankfulness for showing you your need for Christ the Savior? And then one can say it as Christ said it, yes, maybe?
John 19:30 When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished,” and bowed his head and dismissed his spirit
Just curious to hear what you see this as, please, for all of us to help each other in this new life that God gives us through the cross of Christ, Thanks in advance for your answer
John 19:30 When Jesus had tasted it, he said, “It is finished,” and bowed his head and dismissed his spirit
Just curious to hear what you see this as, please, for all of us to help each other in this new life that God gives us through the cross of Christ, Thanks in advance for your answer
Silly me, all this time I have believed this to be true...
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
So when you quoted me on Post #1507 why did you leave out your original question that I quoted form an earlier post that you quote back to me? Ask me again what I would think instead of what they would think and I'll give you an answer. Let me help you. You asked
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Now I will ask the question correctly and give you an answer.
Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would you try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would you consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Would I force him to be circumcised? No
And would I consider him to be in sin if he would not? No
Not hard to answer the question if you know how to ask a question.
So your analogy of me is that people can't talk to me because of the way I answer questions. I think it has a lot to do with leading questions, or questions not properly asked, for whatever reason. I think I see through it though. It's pretty obvious.
So when I said I would reject the church, you might think that I meant "I would reject the church which did NOT do this" after you said that they were doing this?
It's a ridiculous question when I was talking the circumcision of the heart, which you also stated in your question. I made it very clear before you asked your question that the total essence of circumcision was a Spiritual one. So if I am saying that the circumcision of the heart is where God wants us to be according to His law, why would ask about the fleshly things under these circumstances if it wasn't to divert the truth about what was being said? Seems as though you people that want to throw away parts of the Bible are always concentrating on fleshly rhetoric so you can condemn it.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would they try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would they consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Now I will ask the question correctly and give you an answer.
The question should be.
If a 25 y/o male came into their church. And his parents did not circumcize them. And he was circumcized by the hands of God in his heart. would you try to force him to be physically circumcised. And would you consider him to be in sin if he did not. and make it a yes or no answer.
Would I force him to be circumcised? No
And would I consider him to be in sin if he would not? No
Not hard to answer the question if you know how to ask a question.
So your analogy of me is that people can't talk to me because of the way I answer questions. I think it has a lot to do with leading questions, or questions not properly asked, for whatever reason. I think I see through it though. It's pretty obvious.
So when I said I would reject the church, you might think that I meant "I would reject the church which did NOT do this" after you said that they were doing this?
It's a ridiculous question when I was talking the circumcision of the heart, which you also stated in your question. I made it very clear before you asked your question that the total essence of circumcision was a Spiritual one. So if I am saying that the circumcision of the heart is where God wants us to be according to His law, why would ask about the fleshly things under these circumstances if it wasn't to divert the truth about what was being said? Seems as though you people that want to throw away parts of the Bible are always concentrating on fleshly rhetoric so you can condemn it.