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Only a short time and God will read hearts. He's going to destroy, along with the master of their hearts (Satan), all people who are not meeting his expectations.

Christ with his 144,000 Kings, will rule over the earth. Things will get 'Cleaned' up. It will not play out the way humans are expecting. There will be NO question in, NO language what is taking place. When God say's it's time, Every living thing on earth will know unquestionably what's going on. The new system will put whatever systems GOD wants, into place, and that will manage human affairs on a perfect new restored earth forever after. His Kingdom Government will NEVER END! No more AMERICA, No more CHINA, No Middle East, No Europe, No more borders or economics to cause the faithful lovers of God's Law to be divided and suffer.

Christ IS King, so for what concern are the World's affairs to me? Should a Christian be concerned if they are looking for The Everlasting Kingdom of God, to be established on earth as it is in Heaven? There is so much to look forward to. Keeping your eye on the prize, means don't get distracted with human interests and affairs. When people participate, they are only serving themselves and if we participate it's all Satan needs to win. His influence comes to us the same way God's does....inspiration and desire... Attitudes rub off.

God promised, No more interference from Satan and faithful humans will have perfection restored to them, dead will be raised up on earth (not like zombies)....And it's all backed up by Scripture.

The whole notion of zombies mocks God's promise of resurrection...It's no different than standing on the sidelines and watching, listening to someone ridicule and laugh at the promises your God gave you and laughing along, doing nothing and never speaking up, Even enjoying it. God hates that kind of personal behavior. That kind of person isn't his friend. God doesn't want good people mislead with the Devil's mockery because then He (God) will have to kill those people without a hope of resurrection.
 
Christ and his 144,000 ruling the earth...


Are you a Jehovah's Witness??
 
No, this does not qualify as conspiracy. These 144,000 are Jewish. They have a specific person. They are not kings who will rule over the earth.
 
Are you a Jehovah's Witness??
Well done, Servant Strike. If I were a detective, I'd ask to have you assigned to my special taskforce. :D

God doesn't want good people mislead with the Devil's mockery because then He (God) will have to kill those people without a hope of resurrection.
Here's the line that did it for me. JWs can never bring themselves to believe that God would cast people into Hell. If you're an atheist, why would you even care? I know I'd be thinking, "Well, there is no resurrection anyway. So even if the JWs are right, I can be as naughty as I like, and there will be no punishment!" Such are the effects of heresy, sadly.
 
Well done, Servant Strike. If I were a detective, I'd ask to have you assigned to my special taskforce. :D

Here's the line that did it for me. JWs can never bring themselves to believe that God would cast people into Hell. If you're an atheist, why would you even care? I know I'd be thinking, "Well, there is no resurrection anyway. So even if the JWs are right, I can be as naughty as I like, and there will be no punishment!" Such are the effects of heresy, sadly.

Ah yes, I totally missed the soul sleep argument there at the end.


But, no conspiracy here, just some bad doctrine.
 
In a word...YES!

But not for the reasons you might imagine...

Revelation 20

Satan Bound

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain [SUP][a][/SUP]in his hand. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; [SUP]3 [/SUP]and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.
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4 [/SUP]Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of [SUP][b][/SUP]their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

POST TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, BEGINNING OF 1,000 YEAR REIGN?

Satan Freed, Doomed

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, [SUP]8 [/SUP]and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the [SUP][c][/SUP]seashore. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And they came up on the [SUP][d][/SUP]broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the [SUP][e][/SUP]saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and [SUP][f][/SUP]brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

THE FINAL TEST OF LOYALTY, POST 1,000 YEAR REIGN?

Judgment at the Throne of God

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose [SUP][g][/SUP]presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and [SUP][h][/SUP]books were opened; and another [SUP][i][/SUP]book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [SUP][j][/SUP]books, according to their deeds. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And if [SUP][k][/SUP]anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

2 Peter 3

The Coming Day of the Lord

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For [SUP][a][/SUP]when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
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8 [/SUP]But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

A New Heaven and Earth

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [SUP][b][/SUP]its works will be [SUP][c][/SUP]burned up.
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11 [/SUP]Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! [SUP]13 [/SUP]But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
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14 [/SUP]Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, [SUP]16 [/SUP]as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. [SUP]17 [/SUP]You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, [SUP]18 [/SUP]but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

Isaiah 65

New Heavens and a New Earth


[SUP]17 [/SUP]“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be remembered or come to [SUP][n][/SUP]mind.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing
And her people for gladness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]“I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people;
And there will no longer be heard in her
The voice of weeping and the sound of crying.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]“No longer will there be [SUP][o][/SUP]in it an infant who lives but a few days,
Or an old man who does not [SUP][p][/SUP]live out his days;
For the youth will die at the age of one hundred
And the [SUP][q][/SUP]one who does not reach the age of one hundred
Will be thought accursed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“They will build houses and inhabit them;
They will also plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“They will not build and another inhabit,
They will not plant and another eat;
For as the [SUP][r][/SUP]lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people,
And My chosen ones will wear out the work of their hands.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]“They will not labor in vain,
Or bear children for calamity;
For they are the [SUP][s][/SUP]offspring of those blessed by the Lord,
And their descendants with them.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]It will also come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear. [SUP]25 [/SUP]The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain,” says the Lord.

Revelation 21

The New Heaven and Earth


21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will [SUP][a][/SUP]dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them[SUP][b][/SUP], [SUP]4 [/SUP]and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

THE DESTRUCTION OF EARTH AND CREATION OF A NEW EARTH AND NEW HEAVENS?

Malachi 4

Final Admonition

4 “[SUP][a][/SUP]For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.” [SUP]2 [/SUP]“But for you who [SUP][b][/SUP]fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day [SUP][c][/SUP]which I am preparing,” says the Lord of hosts.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“[SUP][d][/SUP]Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
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5 [/SUP]“Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He will [SUP][e][/SUP]restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a [SUP][f][/SUP]curse.”

HERE IS WHERE THINGS DO NOT CORROBORATE FOR ME, IF ELIJAH IS ONE OF THE TWO WITNESSES AND ELIJAH/ENOCH RETURN TO PROPHESY DURING THE TRIBULATION, BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, AND THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD OR FINAL JUDGMENT IS POST 1,000 YEAR REIGN, THEN THE PROPHECIES IN REVELATION AND MALACHI WOULD SEEM TO CONFLICT.

ONE COULD SPECULATE ABOUT SEVERAL POSSIBILITIES CONCERNING ELIJAH.

1. ELIJAH BECAME OR WAS REINCARNATED INTO JOHN THE BAPTIST AND THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD WAS CHRIST'S FIRST COMING.
2. THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD IS CHRIST'S SECOND COMING IN WHICH ELIJAH WILL APPEAR A THIRD TIME, IN WHICH CASE WHERE DOES THE POST TRIBULATION 1,000 YEAR REIGN FIT?
3. ELIJAH APPEARED AND WAS REINCARNATED, NOT JUST ONCE AT CHRIST'S FIRST ARRIVAL PER MATTHEW 11. NOT JUST TWICE DURING THE TRIBULATION AS A WITNESS PER REVELATION 11, BUT THREE TIMES WHEN HE APPEARS AT THE POST 1,000 YEAR REIGN FINAL JUDGMENT PER MALACHI 4.
4. JOHN THE BAPTIST BECOMES ELIJAH TO FULFILL THE TWO WITNESS PROPHECY PER REVELATION 11, AND APPEARS YET AGAIN IN A POST 1,000 YEAR REIGN FINAL JUDGMENT PER MALACHI 4.

Revelation 11

The Two Witnesses

11 Then there was given me a [SUP][a][/SUP]measuring rod like a staff; [SUP][b][/SUP]and someone said, “Get up and measure the [SUP][c][/SUP]temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. [SUP]2 [/SUP][SUP][d][/SUP]Leave out the court which is outside the [SUP][e][/SUP]temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. [SUP]6 [/SUP]These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

Matthew 11

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is [SUP][m][/SUP]least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. [SUP]12 [/SUP]From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven [SUP][n][/SUP]suffers violence, and violent men [SUP][o][/SUP]take it by force. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who [SUP][p][/SUP]was to come. [SUP]15 [/SUP]He who has ears to hear, [SUP][q][/SUP]let him hear.

TO THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE FATHER WOULD TRY AND CONFUSE ANYONE, OR MAKE HIS WILL OR PROPHECIES SO CRYPTIC SO AS NOT TO BE UNDERSTOOD WITHOUT A THEOLOGY DEGREE AND SOME VERY SERIOUS LIBERTIES BEING TAKEN WITH NON-LITERAL, FIGURATIVE SPECULATIONS. GOD SHOULD NOT BE A MYSTERY TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY ONLY A SELECT FEW. THIS LEAVES BUT ONE POSSIBILITY...

Codex Vaticanus

The entire manuscript has been mutilated...every letter has been run over with a pen, making exact identification of many of the characters impossible. Dr. David Brown observes: "I question the 'great witness' value of any manuscript that has been overwritten, doctored, changed and added to for more than 10 centuries."

Jeremiah 8

[SUP]8 [/SUP]“How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the Lord is with us’?
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes
Has made it into a lie.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“The wise men are put to shame,
They are dismayed and caught;
Behold, they have rejected the word of the Lord,
And what kind of wisdom do they have?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Therefore I will give their wives to others,
Their fields to [SUP][c][/SUP]new owners;
Because from the least even to the greatest
Everyone is greedy for gain;
From the prophet even to the priest
Everyone practices deceit.

WHO STANDS TO GAIN FROM CONFUSION, IGNORANCE, AND DIVISION?

SCRIBES - PHARISEES - JESUITS - ZIONISTS

Supplemental:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72812-doctrinal-thoughts.html


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- Sherlock Holmes


May the Lord bless and keep you,

P.
 
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Ah yes, I totally missed the soul sleep argument there at the end.

But, no conspiracy here, just some bad doctrine.
I was agreeing with you. My bet is on JW. :) I thought "soul sleep" was belief in a gap between death and resurrection, not an annihilation as the JWs believe?
 
OR MAYBE...A "Merciful" "Loving" God is not interested in Torment. He doesn't wallow in vengeful feelings.. does he?
Sure you can be bad. But "no punishment" or "no resurrection? Is that what the Bible teaches? If someone rejects God's rightful authority over humans then they are going to make choices according to their own rules. That usually means doing things that God said he "hates". God holds each of us responsible once they learn of his expectations. But that doesn't make him a scorned vindictive God bent on torture. They simply loose the gift of life. That just sounds contradictory to me when I read scriptures like (Ecc 9:5) in 19 different Bible versions. If we don't respect his right to be the only God we worship and his son, Christ Jesus authority, then we simply don't get to live to see the rewards that he will bestow on all his subjects. POOF, dust to dust.

Also, there are all sorts of scriptures that talk about resurrection, and perfection restored and there would be no more death and suffering on earth. I read it myself in many different versions of the Bible. So are you telling me that God is lying in the Bible at (Rev 21:3-5) ?

Life is a gift. We don't deserve it. We are not entitled to it or anything else. But because it has been given to us out of love it was also meant to be in a gloriously, perfect Earth. Adam and Eve choose not to trust God and so they did not get to reside in the Perfect Garden any longer. And they began to die....and the whole story is right there.

If someone is going to think they're getting away with something and that's why they act "naughty", then God doesn't want people like that in his kingdom, because they'll ruin it for everyone else, just like they do now.

I don't understand the question about JWs, isn't this a forum for Bible discussion? So, far I thought that's what I was doing. Are you an authority on Bible or well studied? I have to ask, because you eagerly judged me as if the scriptures that formed my opinions are lying? Rather than imply that the Bible is lying, would you be considerate enough to show me the scriptures that tell the truth?
 
Re: In a word...YES!

God of the Bible is called the God of the "Living", "the happy God". The simple fact that he would have to take the life from any of his creation, even the rebellious ones, that they never live again... would be a kind of "torment".

I am familiar with the scriptures from Revelation and yes that's what it says.
POST TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, BEGINNING OF 1,000 YEAR REIGN

All any of us needs to do is open our Bibles to confirm the scriptures you mentioned. I still don't understand what you think. But thanks for the scriptures.
 
I thought resurrection was for ALL the dead in grave (John 5:28,29) and they have the 1000 year reign and restored to perfection and just like Adam and Eve were given a standard to measure their freedom of choice then so will those resurrected ones.

My reasoning is that if God didn't put the tree in the Garden of Eden, how would he know if his people are being obedient or not? He didn't cause evil or bring it about. That was just the result of imperfect human choices under the influence of Satan. After the 1000 years and Satan is given a little while to prove his point NOT on just one man and one woman, like the original Garden, but on a level playing field...and entire population. You can't really prove a challenge against all humans, without enough test subjects. The Devil will be released to try his traps and snares on many perfect humans. It's not even a fair fight now because we don't have the strength or knowledge that we need to prove ourselves. I thought that was a pretty merciful thing for God to do.

Maybe what I see the Bible saying is not what other Christians are seeing. If you say that I sound like a JW then maybe that's who I should be talking to.
 
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Adam and Eve choose not to trust God and so they did not get to reside in the Perfect Garden any longer. And they began to die....and the whole story is right there.
The whole story is that Jesus, who is God become flesh, born of a woman, lived a sinless life and was killed by wicked men, shedding his blood and rising on the third day, and afterward ascending into Heaven. And that men under the curse of Adam's sin and death, by believing on Him, may become right with God.

If someone is going to think they're getting away with something and that's why they act "naughty", then God doesn't want people like that in his kingdom, because they'll ruin it for everyone else, just like they do now.
I agree. God changes our hearts, through His Holy Spirit, when He indwells us. But what incentive would godless men have to learn about Christ, if there were no punishment for wickedness? Indeed, what reputation would God have with godless men if they thought He would not even punish wickedness?

I don't understand the question about JWs, isn't this a forum for Bible discussion? So, far I thought that's what I was doing. Are you an authority on Bible or well studied? I have to ask, because you eagerly judged me as if the scriptures that formed my opinions are lying? Rather than imply that the Bible is lying, would you be considerate enough to show me the scriptures that tell the truth?
JWs don't believe in hell. I don't know why. Perhaps it frightens them to think of how just and holy God truly is. Perhaps it's because their deceiver doesn't want them to know what truly is at stake, so they won't have incentive to question their hypnotising Watchtower society. I think JWs are one of the more popular cults that don't believe in hell, so when it sounded as if you didn't, I just put 2 and 2 together.

Below is a scripture where Jesus clearly talks of everlasting punishment, not just "simply not getting to see the rewards that he will bestow on all his subjects". I have contrasted with the abominable heresy the JWs would like you to believe.

True scripture (KJV) Mark 9:43 - 48
Mark 9:43 - 48And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

JW heresy Mark 9:43 - 48 (heresy text in bold)
Mark 9:43 - 48And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands and not getting to see the rewards that God will bestow on all his subjects, into the fire that never shall be felt:Where their worm dieth never to resurrect, and the fire is not felt.And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet not getting to see the rewards that God will bestow on all his subjects, into the fire that never shall be felt:Where their worm dieth never to resurrect, and the fire is not felt.And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes not getting to see the rewards that God will bestow on all his subjects, into the fire that never shall be felt:Where their worm dieth never to resurrect, and the fire is not felt.
 
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Re: In a word...YES!

God of the Bible is called the God of the "Living", "the happy God". The simple fact that he would have to take the life from any of his creation, even the rebellious ones, that they never live again... would be a kind of "torment".

I am familiar with the scriptures from Revelation and yes that's what it says.
POST TRIBULATION / SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, BEGINNING OF 1,000 YEAR REIGN

All any of us needs to do is open our Bibles to confirm the scriptures you mentioned. I still don't understand what you think. But thanks for the scriptures.

But not an eternal one. As painful as it sounds.

And IDK, I'd rather exist in hell knowing God was real than cease to exist. Mark 9 does not paint a picture of peple being destroyed by the Lord



I thought resurrection was for ALL the dead in grave (John 5:28,29) and they have the 1000 year reign and restored to perfection and just like Adam and Eve were given a standard to measure their freedom of choice then so will those resurrected ones.

My reasoning is that if God didn't put the tree in the Garden of Eden, how would he know if his people are being obedient or not? He didn't cause evil or bring it about. That was just the result of imperfect human choices under the influence of Satan. After the 1000 years and Satan is given a little while to prove his point NOT on just one man and one woman, like the original Garden, but on a level playing field...and entire population. You can't really prove a challenge against all humans, without enough test subjects. The Devil will be released to try his traps and snares on many perfect humans. It's not even a fair fight now because we don't have the strength or knowledge that we need to prove ourselves. I thought that was a pretty merciful thing for God to do.

Maybe what I see the Bible saying is not what other Christians are seeing. If you say that I sound like a JW then maybe that's who I should be talking to.

No, because they have extra biblical doctrine.

I guessed JW because you mentioned the 144,000 would rule with Christ. That is a JW's perspective, and is not found anywhere in the bible. The bible is clear that the 144,000 are special, but it is not clear in what way beyond that they are virgins and are given a new song to sing.

And that's not the way it works. You can't pick and choose who you will follow based upon which bible verses you want to interpret. You have to look at them all.
 
JW's used the King James Bible as the their Bible of preference until realizing that people were not learing God's word in the language they spoke and then they printed a Bible with updated English. So you are saying the KJV must have heretic origins? The Watchtower publications will sometimes quote other Bible versions if the language applies in a more clear way. Why are you threatened by other Bible versions? Do you REALLY know what you are talking about without making up your own Bible verses? i.e. (JW heresy Mark 9:43 - 48 (heresy text in bold)? Below is a comparison of 2 versions of KJ and the NWT. It doesn't look like what you claim...?

KJV -original - (Mark 9:43-48)
44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

NWT 2013 - (Mark 9:43-48)
43 if ever your hand makes you stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than go off with two hands into Gehen'na. into the fire that cannot be put out. 44--(half of the twenty Bible versions I use don't have this verse; said to not be part of the original Greek text) 45 And if your foot makes you stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame than to be thrown with two feet into Gehen'na. 46 --(half of the twenty Bible versions I use don't have this verse; said to not be part of the original Greek text)47 and if your eye makes you stumble, throw it away. It is better for you to enter one-eyed into the Kingdom of God than to be thrown with two eyes into Gehenna, 48 where the maggot does not die and the fire is not put out.

KJV 2000 - (Mark 9:43-48)
43 And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where the worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if your foot offends you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter lame into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where the worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if your eye offend you, pluck it out: it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 Where the worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched.


I'm really having a difficult time understanding what you are trying to do. The scriptures I cited all agree with minor language difference that do not effect the meaning or sense of the message. I never heard of the "JW heresy" version? It looks like you're making things up and twisting up scriptures pasteing your bolded incerpts and claiming that you got it from something called "JW heresy" (heresy text in bold?) Are you Catholic? Because I looked up the word "Heresy" and it said:

Definition- Heresy: An opinion or a doctrine at variance with established religious beliefs, especially dissension from or denial of Roman Catholic dogma by a professed believer or baptized church member.

Then you are right. I don't follow/suscribe to "Roman Catholic religious dogma", because I read the Bible and what God says is what I believe. I don't twist it to suit my opinion. It's been my observation that people who like to use the word "heresy" also have a tendency to make stuff up. Do you know your history?

("The Inquisition was a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy."....People who sounded much like you do now, are the very same people who tortured and masacered millions of people or supported it in some way, ever since Satan began presenting himself as an "Angel of Light" to mislead the World. When did God ever give mankind authority over his brother? ) According to you, I'm judged by weather I chose to worship as and support a Catholic agenda....I hope you don't try to convince me that JW's are imposing their faith on others by simply encouraging them to study the Bible and take an interest in what God has to say. ...I mean, think about it.
 
JW's used the King James Bible as the their Bible of preference until realizing that people were not learing God's word in the language they spoke and then they printed a Bible with updated English.
So wait. You're saying JWs now believe in Hell? Or was my translation of their beliefs accurate, after all?
 
The JW heresy is that they do not believe Jesus is God. That is not acceptable and not supported by the Bible.

However, since this has been discussed at length in the Bible discussion forum, I am loathe to get into here. Perhaps you could do a search on the issue.

JW's are a cult. They believe that only they have the truth and no one else. And unless you believe and follow the Watchtower, you are not a Christian.

Troll much!
 
" God doesn't want good people mislead with the Devil's mockery because then He (God) will have to kill those people without a hope of resurrection. "


How is one assured that by providing true info to Christians, they are not necessarily helping them wake up but leading them astray ? What does God mean saying arise and awake to Israel when He is very well in their midst ? Were they in deep slumber with eyes closed day in and day out or just felt out of Spiritual touch with God ?

Case here can be quoted of john todd, who in the 70's and 80's exposed witchcraft and charismatic movements in the church...they, he and his family, were later hunted down after various attempts on his life...then jailed...and no one knows his whereabouts till date...it was a God given burden to him to expose what he had witnessed...you can hear his audio at
JOHN TODD Door to the Occult - YouTube...listen to the entire series...had he been not there, no one would have detected charismatic movements in the church for another 10 years or so...witnessing is not about typing or few words/copy pasting a few articles in the comfort of your homes..witnessing is about laying your life down in the process till your duty be duly discharged in the Lord's service

And far as 1,44,000 kings is concerned...call them whatever you would call Jesus Christ...Kings or Priests or First fruits...for they will bear exact semblence to Christ in all manners