Question for men

[RickShafer]

"With predominantly European men interpreting and teaching scripture for a couple of millennia"

Oh those evil anglo men!
I mean..... the Magna Carta? - What was that?

Total despotism!

B.T.W. please look up the writings of the early church fathers.....guys like Origin, Polycarp, Tertullian, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, Athanasius of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Cyril of Alexandria, the Cappadocian Fathers - (Basil of Caesarea, Gregory Nazianzus, Peter of Sebaste, Gregory of Nyssa), Maximus the Confessor, and John of Damascus. Also Ignatius of Antioch, Maximus of Constantinople, Hilary of Poitiers, Saint Ambrose(of Milan), Jerome, and the late, great Saint Augustine of Hippo - (Not to mention many others who are too many to name).....how many of those where caucasian?
- Just a little home work for those who care to look it up.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Considering women and nonwhites had little to no rights in the 1800s (at least in the States; I forget the exact dates for the UK), you are the only demographic that would view it as a time for liberty.

I'd sooner be right, than be in the majority...

In my country, even rape within marriage was not legally recognized until the 1970s. That was a victory of the women's movement, not the Christians.

Yeah, women's liberation is just a communist front. Look at the number of divorces etc. today. I'm not sure about rape within marriage. I'd put it under the category of assault, and that certainly hasn't lessened today. Perhaps within marriage it has, because there aren't so many marriages anymore. Well done communist women's movement... Not.

With predominantly European men interpreting and teaching scripture for a couple of millennia, truth had gotten a bit lopsided.

How so? With predominantly every man and his dog interpreting scripture these days to his own wicked desires, I'd say that's lopsided.

And since it was in their favor, there was little incentive to make sure women and their more ethnically diverse brothers were properly protected and respected.

Scripture is not in anyone's favour. It provides advice for living. If people want to do their own thing, you get the disintegrating society you see today. If you call that good, its only because you haven't tasted its effects yet. You are still enjoying the stability earned by those who came before.

It took largely (though not exclusively) secular movements for all people to experience similar freedoms.

What you call freedoms, I call oppression. Look at the results around you.

 

[Misty77]

I'd sooner be right, than be in the majority...

Yeah, women's liberation is just a communist front. Look at the number of divorces etc. today. I'm not sure about rape within marriage. I'd put it under the category of assault, and that certainly hasn't lessened today. Perhaps within marriage it has, because there aren't so many marriages anymore. Well done communist women's movement... Not.

How so? With predominantly every man and his dog interpreting scripture these days to his own wicked desires, I'd say that's lopsided.

Scripture is not in anyone's favour. It provides advice for living. If people want to do their own thing, you get the disintegrating society you see today. If you call that good, its only because you haven't tasted its effects yet. You are still enjoying the stability earned by those who came before.

What you call freedoms, I call oppression. Look at the results around you.

Life is rarely all good or all bad. Lots of good things came from those same people. It doesn't mean they weren't wrong on many points, too. Don't confuse new wave feminism with original feminist who fought for equal rights and were prolife. There were also people. It's narrow minded to think that everyone from the "good old days" was right about everything or that everyone one you disagree with is wrong about everything.

 

[Misty77]

"With predominantly European men interpreting and teaching scripture for a couple of millennia"

Oh those evil anglo men!
I mean..... the Magna Carta? - What was that?

Total despotism!

B.T.W. please look up the writings of the early church fathers.....guys like Origin, Polycarp, Tertullian, Clement of Rome, Irenaeus of Lyons, Clement of Alexandria, Athanasius of Alexandria, John Chrysostom, Cyril of Alexandria, the Cappadocian Fathers - (Basil of Caesarea, Gregory Nazianzus, Peter of Sebaste, Gregory of Nyssa), Maximus the Confessor, and John of Damascus. Also Ignatius of Antioch, Maximus of Constantinople, Hilary of Poitiers, Saint Ambrose(of Milan), Jerome, and the late, great Saint Augustine of Hippo - (Not to mention many others who are too many to name).....how many of those where caucasian?
- Just a little home work for those who care to look it up.

Really? I didn't say ALL of them, just a significant percentage. The Bible has been misinterpreted to justify evil against other ethnicities and to deny women legal rights for well over 1,000. White men did this. To deny this is to be ignorant of history. That doesn't mean that they were entirely evil or that the oppressed were entirely good. They ere just wrong.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Life is rarely all good or all bad. Lots of good things came from those same people. It doesn't mean they weren't wrong on many points, too. Don't confuse new wave feminism with original feminist who fought for equal rights and were prolife. There were also people. It's narrow minded to think that everyone from the "good old days" was right about everything or that everyone one you disagree with is wrong about everything.

I don't say everyone from the "good old days" were right about everything. I know they were probably less naive with regard to the evils of communism, feminism, and iniquity.

The original feminist movement was founded with terrorists, as I understand, and funded by communists. It hasn't changed into new wave feminism - the same old, evil feminism has just become bolder, and its true fruit have become more obvious, now that it has convinced many that its doctrines are righteous.

 

[Tintin]

The original feminist movement was founded by terrorists? Haha! Funny stuff. The original feminist movement was about equality and respect for women and giving them rights. The right to vote etc. It grew into a terrible monster that damages both genders to this day (eg. men are obsolete) but that's not where it began.

 

[RickShafer]

Really? I didn't say ALL of them, just a significant percentage. The Bible has been misinterpreted to justify evil against other ethnicities and to deny women legal rights for well over 1,000. White men did this. To deny this is to be ignorant of history. That doesn't mean that they were entirely evil or that the oppressed were entirely good. They ere just wrong.

Oh...........heavens to betsy..........goodness gracious..........
Research what tribe(race,ethnicity) demanded rights from the king. (And got it!) Magna Carta 1215A.D. - (It was a bunch of white guys that did that)
Also, please research the relatively new idea of personal freedom.
You will find names like John Locke and Adam Smith (two white guys) that engendered that philosophy that the framers of the United States Constitution relied so heavily on. - (Also, a bunch of white guys)
But if you'd like, compare the individual rights of women in the United States and other caucasian nations as compared to women in the rest of the world.
Do it please.....then tell me about the evil white man.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Do it please.....then tell me about the evil white man.

The evil white man lives underneath the beds of little girls who don't eat all of their vegetables!

 

[RickShafer]

The evil white man lives underneath the beds of little girls who don't eat all of their vegetables!

Really?
If you claim so it must be true.
I liked the spinning dachshund better.
B.T.W. - I'm still here, accuser.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Really?
If you claim so it must be true.

AINT DAT RITE

I liked the spinning dachshund better.

He barfed up a little puppy barf, and so he had to stop spinning on it.

B.T.W. - I'm still here, accuser.

 

[Tintin]

There's also that white man, what's his name? William Wilberforce. I heard he did something good.

 

[Misty77]

There's also that white man, what's his name? William Wilberforce. I heard he did something good.

William Wilberforce is one of my heroes because he fought relentlessly against slavery. He stood against the overwhelming majority who refused to acknowledge the personhood of people who did not look like them. Mr. Wilberforce was the exception.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

The original feminist movement was founded by terrorists? Haha! Funny stuff. The original feminist movement was about equality and respect for women and giving them rights. The right to vote etc. It grew into a terrible monster that damages both genders to this day (eg. men are obsolete) but that's not where it began.

Terrorism - The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

History records the early feminists damaged windows with axes, attacked politicians and police, set fire to post boxes and buildings, all in the name of getting women a "right" to vote. Such actions can be described as violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims (i.e. terrorism). If Muslims tried similar tactics today, they'd end up in Guantanamo. These women were terrorists, and should have been dealt with as such.

As with all terrorism, the professed goals did not align with the true goals. Women already had equality, respect and rights that the terrorists claimed they were fighting for. And feminism is the same monster today, only bigger because few have the gumption to call it what it is - a communist plot, an attack on the family, a wedge to divide men and women. Feminism was conceived in sin, there should be no surprise at the fruit it bears today in iniquity.

 

[Nautilus]

you should just stay in the conspiracy thread if you post nonsense like that. And how did women already have equality if they didnt have the right to vote? They still don't make equal pay and they have been fighting for that for years. Or do believe women should just stay at home barefoot and pregnant?

 

[JimJimmers]

Terrorism - The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

History records the early feminists damaged windows with axes, attacked politicians and police, set fire to post boxes and buildings, all in the name of getting women a "right" to vote. Such actions can be described as violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims (i.e. terrorism). If Muslims tried similar tactics today, they'd end up in Guantanamo. These women were terrorists, and should have been dealt with as such.

Were the Boston Tea Party people terrorists?

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

you should just stay in the conspiracy thread if you post nonsense like that.

It's a well documented historical fact.

And how did women already have equality if they didnt have the right to vote?

I don't see voting as a right for most men, let alone women. I don't believe in democracy. If anything, I prefer a republic model. Democracy has accurately been described as mob rule.

They still don't make equal pay and they have been fighting for that for years.

"Equal pay for equal work", I think the phrase is. If you don't work equal, you don't get paid equal - what's not equal about that? Besides, this is a (private) decision for an employer to make. It doesn't really have to do with equality (i.e. economics does not translate directly to justice. Equality is a justice issue, not an economic one).

Or do believe women should just stay at home barefoot and pregnant?

I don't think Paul had a problem with this, and neither do I.

1 Tim 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Were the Boston Tea Party people terrorists?

Did they engage in the use of violence and intimidation for the purpose of political aims? (I don't know too much about this part of American history). If so, I would say the answer is yes. However, I do think it is a different situation to declare your independence from a corrupt or wicked system, and protect yourself against violence that may ensue as a result of your independence from said system. If the original feminist terrorists had declared independence and gone and set up their own country, I wouldn't have a problem with the legality of this (the sanity, yes, but not the legality).

 

[Nautilus]

Ummm...Republics are a direct off-brnch of democracies in that people have the right to vote for who leads them....not allowing women to express that right to also has a voice in who leads is a vast step into inequality.

 

[Tintin]

Some ridiculous beliefs. Not out-of-date so much as extra-biblical and legalistic.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Ummm...Republics are a direct off-brnch of democracies in that people have the right to vote for who leads them....not allowing women to express that right to also has a voice in who leads is a vast step into inequality.

I'm not sure about this. Wasn't the declaration of independence simply a statement that men have the right to be free, and enjoy certain God-given freedoms? Voting and democracy had nothing to do with it, as I understand. Whether people were allowed to vote for their God-given freedom or not had and has nothing to do with these God-given rights, nor equality (a God-given right).

Some ridiculous beliefs. Not out-of-date so much as extra-biblical and legalistic.

You may not agree with my beliefs, but I think I proved my point that feminism was godless rebellion from the start.

I don't see how my beliefs are legalistic (unless you think being opposed to violent rebellion is legalism). When it comes to politics, I'm not sure any form of government is Godly, except that God has given each of us free will, and each of us should therefore be free to worship God according to his own conscience. I don't believe anyone has the right to vote away another's God-given rights and freedom, hence my disdain for democracy.

 

[Misty77]

Wasn't the declaration of independence simply a statement that men have the right to be free, and enjoy certain God-given freedoms?[\QUOTE]
Yep.

You may not agree with my beliefs, but I think I proved my point that feminism was godless rebellion from the start.[\QUOTE]
Silly women! Why do they need to think for themselves? That's what husbands are for! They don't need none of that book-learnin' anyway. Not quite sure why God wasted a perfectly good brain by putting it in a woman. Besides, men are all good and moral so there's no reason a woman should or protection from one.

I don't believe anyone has the right to vote away another's God-given rights and freedom, hence my disdain for democracy.

...unless that person is a woman, right?

I really hope I don't have to explain my sarcasm in this post. Married_rick, this is not the first encounter I have had with your blatant sexism. I'm not against men; rather, I support both genders working together for the good of God's kingdom. As a woman, I can't live to my full God-ordained potential if my "brothers" feel it is their "Christian duty" to "put me in my place." (And, yes, I've had men say that to me and to other Godly women.) If you understood the culture of the time of the Bible, you would see just how radical Christ's treatment of women was. Your manhood is not diminished just because a woman is used of God to accomplish great things. We are all joint-heirs with Christ and with each other, and we deserved equal treatment under the law, in society, and in the church.