What Laws are still valid to christians

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what does this mean to you?


Romans 8

King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Romans 8:1-10

King James Version (KJV)

do you see where the fulfillment happens it happens in us THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST THAT IS WHY HE CAME!, IF IT IS ALREADY FULFILLED IN US WHY YOU STILL TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW???
The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us, not by us, who then walk in the gift of righteousness
(Ro 5:17) from God (Ro 3:21).
 
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There does seem to be a battlefield on here tho between the classes mentioned before, therefore dividing Christ into parts, when in fact Christ is the whole part, people are the dividers , il not help those intent on division instead as said many times there just comments trust in Jesus as always not on things said on here ... Love one another this is the greatest command? Jew, gentile , Hispanic Chinese, makes no odds Jesus no respecter of persons ? Too tired write anymore good night god bless and take care out there people amen
 
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We either walk in faith or we walk in the flesh. If our walk before God is spiritual, then it is a spiritual walk. So accordingly, a walk in faith (in Christ) is what justifies us.
Look into it.

You'll find that we are justified by faith alone, not by a walk.

Justification means declared righteous, in right standing before God, not guilty, by forgiveness of our sin through faith by grace.

Righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17) from God (Ro 3:21) by faith (Ro 1:17).
 
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cfultz3

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Look into it.

You'll find that we are justified by faith alone, not by a walk.

Justification means declared righteous, in right standing before God, not guilty, by forgiveness of our sin through faith by grace.

Righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17) from God (Ro 3:21) by faith (Ro 1:17).
walk = how we stand before God.

a walk in faith = standing before God by faith.

faith = believing in the One sent from God as the Messiah (the Christ).

So yes, if we stand before God in faith, then that faith is what justifies us because we stand before God in faith and not works. If we walk (stand) before God by our flesh, then we are condemned.

Justification = found not guilty and not worthy of an adverse sentencing. We are justified by faith in Christ.

righteous = the state one is to be found to be in before God. Those of the Old Covenant had deeds of the Law as their righteousness. We of the New Covenant have faith in the Christ as our righteousness.

Our righteousness is by faith (in Christ) (Rom 4:5)

God showed His fairness by removing the Law as the means of one's righteousness (from (source) a faith) into a faith in the Christ (into (point reached) a faith) (Rom 1:17). That righteousness, that fairness of His without the Law is now manifested which is through (channel of an act) a faith in Jesus Christ (Rom 3:21-22)
 
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walk = how we stand before God.

a walk in faith = standing before God by faith.

faith = believing in the One sent from God as the Messiah (the Christ).

So yes, if we stand before God in faith, then that faith is what justifies us because we stand before God in faith and not works. If we walk (stand) before God by our flesh, then we are condemned.

Justification = found not guilty and not worthy of an adverse sentencing. We are justified by faith in Christ.

righteous = the state one is to be found to be in before God. Those of the Old Covenant had deeds of the Law as their righteousness. We of the New Covenant have faith in the Christ as our righteousness.

Our righteousness is by faith (in Christ) (Rom 4:5)

God showed His fairness by removing the Law as the means of one's righteousness (from (source) a faith) into a faith in the Christ (into (point reached) a faith) (Rom 1:17). That righteousness, that fairness of His without the Law is now manifested which is through (channel of an act) a faith in Jesus Christ (Rom 3:21-22)
When you translate it, seems we're on the same page.:)
 
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cfultz3

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Look into it.

You'll find that we are justified by faith alone, not by a walk.

Justification means declared righteous, in right standing before God, not guilty, by forgiveness of our sin through faith by grace.

Righteousness is a gift (Ro 5:17) from God (Ro 3:21) by faith (Ro 1:17).
I have looked into it and have found we do walk a path. We are either lead upon a path by His Spirit or we are led by our flesh.

It was our Lord who said, "Come and follow me". That path He walks is the path we are to walk.
 

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Thank you very much for anwsering the questions elin, although I was hoping for one of our other friends to anwser it, but if that doesn't clear things up I don't know what will, God knows I've tried my very best to reveal the truth and use the scriptures to back up what I was saying to make sure everyone is on the right path but if no one wants to accept the truth even from the bible there is nothing more I can do, but it is part of the prophecy in the last days they will be forms of godliness and rejecting the power, exactly what is happening your trying to be self righteous and rejecting the righteousness of God it's like youf tell him leave my house alone I can do this by myself, this is the only church age where God is lefted outside of the churcn and we'rd seeing just that.
 

vic1980

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Seems King David understood very well , just as Jesus explain it to John in revelation 22:11

Psalms 18:20-27

The LORD has rewarded me according to my righteousness;
According to the cleanness of my hands He has recompensed me.
21For I have kept the ways of the LORD,
And have not wickedly departed from my God.
22For all His ordinances were before me,
And I did not put away His statutes from me.
23I was also blameless with Him,
And I kept myself from my iniquity.
24Therefore the LORD has recompensed me according to my righteousness,
According to the cleanness of my hands in His eyes.
25With the kind You show Yourself kind;
With the blameless You show Yourself blameless;
26With the pure You show Yourself pure,
And with the crooked You show Yourself astute.27For You save an afflicted people,
But haughty eyes You abase.


Revelation 22:11-12

Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy."

Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

The law that God establish shows us his love, teaches us how to be humble, since the begining of creation they never change.

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

God bless
 

vic1980

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I have looked into it and have found we do walk a path. We are either lead upon a path by His Spirit or we are led by our flesh.

It was our Lord who said, "Come and follow me". That path He walks is the path we are to walk.

This is correct and true
 

vic1980

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God bless you all ,that have partaken in this thread.

May you and your families, be bless in Jesus mighy name, and may we all continue in this journey to follow him till he returns

Amen
 
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Salvation is and has always been by Grace, thru faith unto good works. I pet, is very clear, 4:18-19 "Now 'If the righteous one is scarcely saved, where will the ungodly and sinner appear?' Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator." NOTE, The word"in" there means "by". "by doing good we assure our salvation.! As in Rom. 8:4 Paul says that when we are born again, :freed from the sin nature, we have the power to live holy lives and to fulfill the demands of the law by our holy living. love to all. Hoffco
 

homwardbound

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If this is what Paul was saying, I would agre. It is not. Paul did not say the flesh was weak. he said THE LAW was weak. So why would we TWIST what paul said to make it something else?
And Jesus said it plain to his disciples before the cross
Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Mark 14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So where is law weak, it is perfect in and of itself, I am afraid you are misreading Law. Law is perfect and is why no flesh can obey it, because it is weak and today after the cross all sin is condemned to flesh, hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so flesh EG is weak.
Not Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway, see it how you decide we all have that right, and I know it is God that will get us to stand in God, so I am not ny any means doing any judgment for I know this as truth from God.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Whoever God has received God will cause those t stand upright in him, loving the way God does love all,
Thanks for your posts, Love you God's way not mine
 

homwardbound

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then why did you not just say that to begin with?
EG, he did answer that, in the first answer, maybe you are reading into things by chance, only you can decide this to be true. emotions can run amuck?
I can be just driving along on the highway and for no reason, not be aware and be mad over something, then my wife or friend could say something while I am in that mode and read into whatever is said, because my emotions are at that time in the way of me seeing truth as to what is said, and respond without compassion, not realizing it.
Hope this might help.
 

homwardbound

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It says that the Law was weak through (channel of an act) the flesh.

That is, because of the flesh, the Law was not able to make us righteous.

Which one then, flesh or Law, was at fault for the Law not being able to make us righteous?

Was it not the flesh which prevented the Law?
100% truth there and thank you
 

homwardbound

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Originally Posted by homwardbound
you think he and others are denying the Christ as Savior, and I do not see this, as in what I have read as in what is their motive.
Just something to consider whether any one of us are walking by that self-righteous flesh Spirit that is dead. In "I" am right and you are wrong, my way "I" see it or else, man oh man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i never said that.. and i back up whatever i'm saying with the scriptures, it's not what i say or think it's what the bible says and im sticking to the word of God
Tell me why did you take offense to my post? was I condemning you? Just curious as to whether your own flesh has gotten in the way here Josh? Only you will know this is truth or not and is between God and you, your free will choice.
I remember myself trying so hard to show others what I see, and it was to my own demise, my own flesh had tricked me in getting into the way.
praying you might see what is being said as in all truth. Flesh is Dogmatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I have looked into it and have found we do walk a path. We are either lead upon a path by His Spirit or we are led by our flesh.

It was our Lord who said, "Come and follow me". That path He walks is the path we are to walk.
Yes, but is not the walking (doing) that justifies, it is the faith (believing) that justifies (Eph 2:8).
 

Hizikyah

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this suppose to be a Bible discussion forum but instead it's a battlefield and no one seeking to find the truth, instead of me telling you things.. ima just show the text in the scripture and let me hear what all of you have to say.. that is the only way and we will discuss your anwser if it is in the right place or not, so first thing, what does this mean to you

Ephesians 2:14-22

King James Version (KJV)

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:



having slain the enmity

if you think this means the Law is slain you call Yahshua a liar

Mattithyah 5:17-18, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to establish them. For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 24:35, "Heaven and earth may pass away, but My words will not pass away."

the enmity was slain, the oppisition to Yahweh's instruction, I am living proof of this.
 
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Thank you very much for anwsering the questions elin, although I was hoping for one of our other friends to anwser it, but if that doesn't clear things up I don't know what will, God knows I've tried my very best to reveal the truth and use the scriptures to back up what I was saying to make sure everyone is on the right path but if no one wants to accept the truth even from the bible there is nothing more I can do, but it is part of the prophecy in the last days they will be forms of godliness and rejecting the power, exactly what is happening your trying to be self righteous and rejecting the righteousness of God it's like youf tell him leave my house alone I can do this by myself, this is the only church age where God is lefted outside of the churcn and we'rd seeing just that.
It's not for lack of information, Josh, it's for lack of understanding, or believing.