What Laws are still valid to christians
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Some are restated, but that cannot mean that because it was not restated means that it applies no more, not sure but wasn't it John who said that there were many things Jesus said/did that are not written down because all the books in the world would not be able to contain them?.......and this puzzles me, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, God gave the Commandments and Laws in the O/T, so why would they not apply now?
No I think you missed that I did include the Holy Ghost of God. and Thanks and not that it matters but I enlarged that part of the quote, anyway, thanks, cause yes I surely do not ever intend to miss that part of the truth, where new life is at here and now through the resurrection
Originally Posted by homwardbound
Even though the Law is not condemned and flesh is, that is done through the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ were we are by belief dead to flesh sin that is weak, through the death, then alive through the resurrection and secured in the reception of the Holy Ghost, this is true is it not?
Actually the penalty was the burden of Col 2:14.
In Eph 2:15, it was the regulations of food, defilement and cleansings (the law with its commands
and regulations) that caused hostility between, and separated, the Jew and the Gentile with a wall
of partition.
Those regulations were abolished on the cross, which accomplished two things:
1) peace between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the regulations which were the cause
of their hostility, and
2) peace between both of them and God, by removing the sin (the cause of the enmity--Ro 5:10),
of those who have faith in the blood of Christ (Ro 3:25).
In Eph 2:15, the hostility and wall of partition were "the law with its commands and regulations,"
not the penalty.
That's Col 2:8-14.
the barrier, or wall which was between us
That's Eph 2:14.
Are you bootstrapping "the law with its commands and regulations" of Eph
to the "written code (penalty) that was against us" of Col
in order to make the penalty (written code) of Col abolished instead of
the "law with its commandments and regulations" of Eph abolished, as the text states?
Nah, you wouldn't do that. . .right?
In Eph 2:15, it was the regulations of food, defilement and cleansings (the law with its commands
and regulations) that caused hostility between, and separated, the Jew and the Gentile with a wall
of partition.
Those regulations were abolished on the cross, which accomplished two things:
1) peace between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the regulations which were the cause
of their hostility, and
2) peace between both of them and God, by removing the sin (the cause of the enmity--Ro 5:10),
of those who have faith in the blood of Christ (Ro 3:25).
In Eph 2:15, the hostility and wall of partition were "the law with its commands and regulations,"
not the penalty.
That's Col 2:8-14.
the barrier, or wall which was between us
That's Eph 2:14.
Are you bootstrapping "the law with its commands and regulations" of Eph
to the "written code (penalty) that was against us" of Col
in order to make the penalty (written code) of Col abolished instead of
the "law with its commandments and regulations" of Eph abolished, as the text states?
Nah, you wouldn't do that. . .right?
if all the books in the world couldn't contain them...how much 'UNDER THE LAW' do you want to be?
are you under the Mosaic Covenant?
Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman
are you under the Mosaic Covenant?
Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman
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"under Law" is viewed differently by different people, but that is not important now.
I have been cleansed by the blood of Yahshua and can now be guided by the Spirit of Yahweh to do His will, Yahweh has left perfect Laws that give me a guide me to liberty from evil, I use this in conjuction with Spiritual guidance, to make sure anothjer Spirit doesnt trick me or my own desire dont get into the way.
so I believe all followers of Yahweh should take Yahweh;s Laws to themseleves, I dont bel;ieve any will be rejected for simply sinning, but i do believe some will be rejected for not even subjecting themselves the Yahweh;s Law. By the mouth of Yahshua this is FACT:
Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
I have been cleansed by the blood of Yahshua and can now be guided by the Spirit of Yahweh to do His will, Yahweh has left perfect Laws that give me a guide me to liberty from evil, I use this in conjuction with Spiritual guidance, to make sure anothjer Spirit doesnt trick me or my own desire dont get into the way.
so I believe all followers of Yahweh should take Yahweh;s Laws to themseleves, I dont bel;ieve any will be rejected for simply sinning, but i do believe some will be rejected for not even subjecting themselves the Yahweh;s Law. By the mouth of Yahshua this is FACT:
Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:
#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
if one says they believe and do not, that is what is counterfeit. true repentance before god is to change one's mind from unbelief to belief in god, thanking god for the forgiveness God as supplied to them through the Son and then seeks from God, not man, the truth that sets them free to be whole again.
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
If I may, addressing all who frequent this thread, and hopefully not assisting conflict, how would a person reconcile these three verses.
Leviticus 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.
Mark 9:49-50 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Leviticus 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.
Mark 9:49-50 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html
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It is not that I want to be under the Law.....it is about following what Jesus said we must do...and He said that we are to follow His Commandments...so what are his Commandments?...that is what I am trying to establish for myself. Jesus said this a few times and it is repeated numerous times throughout the N/T that we are to keep His commandments, what exactly are they?...was it the Ten Commandments only?
we are told in 2Ti_3:16 that All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, now we know that the Scripture Timothy was talking about was The Torah because that was The Scripture of the day as the N/T was not written yet, so surly Jesus's Commandments are in the O/T too?
we are told in 2Ti_3:16 that All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, now we know that the Scripture Timothy was talking about was The Torah because that was The Scripture of the day as the N/T was not written yet, so surly Jesus's Commandments are in the O/T too?
maybe or maybe not, I know this for sure, that if I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am dead to my flesh through the death of Christ, I am more unlikely to sin and walk in the flesh that sins, being too busy in the Spirit of God praising and thanking God, where no sin can ever possibly occur andif we all do this daily as in dying daily to self, we might not walk back in the flesh
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
So I as Paul put no confidence:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
So I as Paul put no confidence:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
No, I am dealing with the words of Mt 5:18, and not handling them loosely.
Mt 5:18 - "will my any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
The Law has been accomplished by and in Christ Jesus, and so has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
along with the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) on which it was based (Heb 7:11)
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant (Heb 8:13) which was based on it,
the sacrifices, etc.
When Christ links the fulfillment of it with the doing away of it.
Strawman.
Mt 5:18 - "will my any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
The Law has been accomplished by and in Christ Jesus, and so has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
along with the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) on which it was based (Heb 7:11)
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant (Heb 8:13) which was based on it,
the sacrifices, etc.
When Christ links the fulfillment of it with the doing away of it.
Strawman.