What Laws are still valid to christians

[john832]

we could just look at scripture.

1. They wanted to take him off the cross and bury him because the sabbath was coming soon, Which means it had to be Friday before sunset.

2. he rose on the first day of the week (Sunday)

Oh, it had to be Friday?

Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Why don't you look up "high day" before making remarks that show you don't understand what actually happened. That High Day was the next day after the Passover, the First Day of Unleavened Bread and occurred on Thursday of that week, but could occur on other days of teh week also. It was a day of month not of the week...

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

 

[john832]

What he is saying is that the "3 days and 3 nights" is a figure of speech. It can mean 3 whole 24 hour days, or 1 whole day (in the middle), and 2 partial days. I quote again from the same article.

Easter and Good Friday: questions and answers

"Some readers argue that in Matthew 12:40, Christ said that he would be ‘three days and three nights’ in the tomb, so if Jesus was crucified on Good Friday and rose on Sunday, it couldn’t have been three full 24-hour periods. Thus, they say, the crucifixion occurred on a Wednesday or a Thursday.

However, as I covered in Refuting Compromise pp. 79–80, in Jewish counting, a part of a day was counted as a whole day (a figure of speech known as synecdoche). So while X days and X nights can mean what it means in English, this was only a subset of its semantic range in Jewish idiom. The Jewish Encyclopedia explains (as cited in the Tektonics Apologetics article on this topic):

‘In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.’

To demonstrate this, 1 Samuel 30:12 says, ‘he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and nights’, and this is equated in the next verse with hayyom shelosha (three days ago) , which could only mean the day before yesterday. Another example is 1 Kings 20:29 (NIV):

‘For seven days they camped opposite each other, and on the seventh day the battle was joined.’

So for Jews, the phrases ‘on the third day’, ‘after the third day’, ‘until the third day’ and ‘three days and three nights’ were synonymous.

In English counting, if they started fighting on the 7th day, it means they were only camping for six whole days. But in Jewish reckoning, the partial days are counted as wholes, so the text says they were camping for seven days. See also Genesis 42:17–18.

So the above shows that X days and X nights need not mean X 24-hour periods."

No, it was three days and three nights. This is the Creator of days and nights and He knew how long a day was...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

 

[chubbena]

Can you show me where the law means anything other than the whole law as one? Would a jew look to the law as anything but the completed law? They did not separate it out. What makes us think we can or should?

THE LAW ; as it is said, includes all the laws given to moses. not just parts of it.

Well said. If you believe so then listen to the master and keep it. Resist the temptation of the devil thinking you cannot keep all.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

No, it was three days and three nights. This is the Creator of days and nights and He knew how long a day was...

Lol.

The article is not saying Jesus didn't know how long a day was. It is saying that the figure of speech used was inclusive of whole days, or partial days.

By your logic, the two passages below would contradict. Luke would be saying Jesus was to be raised on the 3rd day, and Mark after 3 days (i.e. the 4th day). Scripture cannot contradict, therefore the passages are saying the same thing. Therefore "the third day" and "after three days" means the same thing.

Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

 

[Hizikyah]

Mattithyah 12:39-40, "So He answered, and said to them: An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Yahnah: For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

 

[Josh321]

In their writings to the churches, the Apostles only mentioned the sabbath three times.

(1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (Hebrews 4).

(2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Colossians 2:9-17).

(3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Romans 14).

Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.

Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4-5; Romans 9:5).

Amen, preach it

 

[Josh321]

Well said. If you believe so then listen to the master and keep it. Resist the temptation of the devil thinking you cannot keep all.

lol, did you even read what he said? if you plan to keep the mosiac law why don't you keep it all instead of parts, why don't you kill animals since Jesus didn't die for you as yet? your making his death in vain all of you, he came to fulfill the law, so everyone can be righteous through the spirit, none of you don't even understand what that means... i've tried countless times to show you but you still don't get it

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by chubbena

You said it's from the scripture yet you didn't show where in the scripture then you spoke in your own point of view again. Please show me where in the scripture says that.

Can you show me where the law means anything other than the whole law as one? Would a jew look to the law as anything but the completed law? They did not separate it out. What makes us think we can or should?

THE LAW ; as it is said, includes all the laws given to moses. not just parts of it.

He just politely asked you to post a scripture reference. I'd like to see it also. Somehow I suddenly have deja vu. Have I seen this somewhere before?

 

[Cobus]

This thread is dedicated for all, to recive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless

The easiest answer to answer, because the answer is in the Bible.......EVERY SIN (sin is breaking the law) THE HOLY SPIRIT REPROOF YOU OF, IS THE LAWS VALID TO CHRISTIANS....

And the HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE LAWS VALID TO CHRISTIANS.... FEW THERE MAY BE, BUT THEY ARE AS REAL TODAY AS IN CORINTHIANS....

 

[Josh321]

i gave the testimony of the guy that was a crack dealer, i showed you the 10 commandments and what the bible said that us gentiles do which is to do the things contained in the 10 commandments that is why we must be born again, and as you saw through the video he did just that do the things contained in the commandments covet, had a gun so he was willing to kill without any remorce, but look what happen when God saved him and he receive the holy spirit his life completely changed, he got rid of the bad lifestyle the gun kicked out the woman and the people from the crackhouse, what did this happen, what do you think? because the spirit fulfilled the law in him, that is how someone truly becomes righteous, it doesn't mean they will become righteous enough to follow it but the law is already fulfilled in him through the holy spirit, that is why the just shall live by faith and not BY COMMANDS before the entire law is fulfilled in us, that is why it says to love is to fulfill the entire law, why is that? because it has already been fulfilled in you, take for example your hungry so you eat a donut to filfill your hunger, it's the same thing, you receive the holy spirit to fulfill the law

 

[Linda70]

IS THE BELIEVER UNDER THE LAW AS A RULE OF LIFE?

The Bible makes it clear that a person is not under the law as a way of salvation or justification. The law and the works of the law (trying to keep the law) can never justify (see Romans 3:20; Gal. 2:16; Acts 15:7-11; Acts 13:38-39; Romans 3:27-28). A man is saved by grace through faith apart from any works of the law.

The Bible also makes it very clear that a person is not under law as a rule of life. The law and the works of the law (trying to keep the law) can never SANCTIFY (produce holiness). The law is holy (Rom. 7:12), and the law can convict us and condemn us (by revealing how unholy we are) but it cannot make us holy. Romans chapter 6 makes it clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law. Sanctification is by faith in the crucified and risen Christ and in the fact of our identification and union with Him. The book of Galatians (see especially Galatians 3:2-3) makes it very clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law. Sanctification is by faith in the crucified and risen Christ and in the fact of our identification and union with Him. The book of Galatians (see especially Galatians 3:2-3) makes it very clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law.

In Romans 6:14 Paul declares that the believer is not "under the law but under grace." What did Paul mean by this? Was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to justification (the believer’s right standing before God in Christ) or was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to sanctification (the believer’s progress in holiness)? Paul earlier in Romans made it clear that a person is not JUSTIFIED by the works of the law (Romans 3:20; 3:28). In Romans chapter 6 the subject is that of sanctification or holiness (see Romans 6:19,22), not justification (the subject of justification was dealt with previously in chapters 3-5). It is clear from Romans 6:14 that Paul is talking about being free from sin’s dominion and power and authority, which is what sanctification is all about. We conclude then that Paul in Romans 6:14-15 set forth the great truth that the believer is not under the law as a rule of life and as a means of sanctification. The key to living the Christian life is not Mount Sinai, it is Mount Calvary. The emphasis of Romans 6 is upon Mount Calvary (and the believer’s relationship to Mount Calvary in light of our identification with Christ and our position in Christ). To go back to Mount Sinai is to go back to bondage.

Is the Key to Living the Christian Life Found at Mount Sinai or at Mount Calvary?

This is just a portion of the article "What Is The Believer's Rule Of Life". I recommend reading the entire article.

 

[Josh321]

IS THE BELIEVER UNDER THE LAW AS A RULE OF LIFE?

The Bible makes it clear that a person is not under the law as a way of salvation or justification. The law and the works of the law (trying to keep the law) can never justify (see Romans 3:20; Gal. 2:16; Acts 15:7-11; Acts 13:38-39; Romans 3:27-28). A man is saved by grace through faith apart from any works of the law.

The Bible also makes it very clear that a person is not under law as a rule of life. The law and the works of the law (trying to keep the law) can never SANCTIFY (produce holiness). The law is holy (Rom. 7:12), and the law can convict us and condemn us (by revealing how unholy we are) but it cannot make us holy. Romans chapter 6 makes it clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law. Sanctification is by faith in the crucified and risen Christ and in the fact of our identification and union with Him. The book of Galatians (see especially Galatians 3:2-3) makes it very clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law. Sanctification is by faith in the crucified and risen Christ and in the fact of our identification and union with Him. The book of Galatians (see especially Galatians 3:2-3) makes it very clear that sanctification is not by the works of the law.

In Romans 6:14 Paul declares that the believer is not "under the law but under grace." What did Paul mean by this? Was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to justification (the believer’s right standing before God in Christ) or was he saying that we are not under the law with respect to sanctification (the believer’s progress in holiness)? Paul earlier in Romans made it clear that a person is not JUSTIFIED by the works of the law (Romans 3:20; 3:28). In Romans chapter 6 the subject is that of sanctification or holiness (see Romans 6:19,22), not justification (the subject of justification was dealt with previously in chapters 3-5). It is clear from Romans 6:14 that Paul is talking about being free from sin’s dominion and power and authority, which is what sanctification is all about. We conclude then that Paul in Romans 6:14-15 set forth the great truth that the believer is not under the law as a rule of life and as a means of sanctification. The key to living the Christian life is not Mount Sinai, it is Mount Calvary. The emphasis of Romans 6 is upon Mount Calvary (and the believer’s relationship to Mount Calvary in light of our identification with Christ and our position in Christ). To go back to Mount Sinai is to go back to bondage.

Is the Key to Living the Christian Life Found at Mount Sinai or at Mount Calvary?

most important the bible clearly stated that those who are trying to justified by the law are severed from christ, AND THEY SEE IT that is what i don't understand

 

[john832]

Lol.

The article is not saying Jesus didn't know how long a day was. It is saying that the figure of speech used was inclusive of whole days, or partial days.

By your logic, the two passages below would contradict. Luke would be saying Jesus was to be raised on the 3rd day, and Mark after 3 days (i.e. the 4th day). Scripture cannot contradict, therefore the passages are saying the same thing. Therefore "the third day" and "after three days" means the same thing.

Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Well lemme see, to be raised on the last part at exactly on the end of the third day would would be on the third day. To be raised after three days would indicate exactly three days elapsed and that the full three days elapsed and to be raised in three days would indicate no more than three days elapsed. So, when one puts it all together, it accurately describes exactly three days and nights, no more, no less.

So, is "twelve hours in the day" a figure of speech also?

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

Christ here says there are welve hours of daylight and then there is night. Many twists and turns are made to deny the only sign Christ gave that He was the Messiah...

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[Hizikyah]

In their writings to the churches, the Apostles only mentioned the sabbath three times.

(1) The sabbath is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ (Hebrews 4).

(2) The N.T. believer is not bound to keep the sabbath (Colossians 2:9-17).

(3) The N.T. believer has liberty in the matter of holy days (Romans 14).

Those who teach that the sabbath is binding upon the Christian, are going contrary to what the Apostles taught.

Why, then, did Jesus keep the Sabbath? He kept the sabbath for the same reason He kept all the other Mosaic laws. He also observed the feasts. Jesus did these things because He was born a Jew, born under the law, that He might fulfill it and redeem His people from its penalty and bondage (Galatians 4:4-5; Romans 9:5).

10 Its one of the 10 commandmants, made holy at creation, the only command that shows the act and authority of creation and the Creator. It is the mark of Yahweh and has always been for the Hebrew nad the Gentile. Motto of the bablonian child: " I agree with 9 of the commandments, but that 4th one... sheesh, that old OT God wants me to spend a whole day with Him, as if!"

Hebrews 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed"

Colossians 2 is not saying not to keep the Holy Days of Yahweh its saying not to keep or let the pharisees judge you for not honoring their made up days.

v20, "If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?"
v 22 "which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,"

Is the Sabbath a command of men? an ordinance of the world?

No, it is the Command of Yahweh, the Creator of all that is.


ROm 14:6, "He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

notice a difference the negative of "day" is missing, only not eating is mentioned.

 

[Josh321]

If anyone truly died to the world, the righteousness of the law has been fulfilled in them and they are born again as what the bible said Jesus came to do so the law will be fulfilled in us, but this won't be trying to be righteous if you truly are born again it will come by your nature( the new you )

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Sabbath says revolve around the finished work Jesus came to do for your sake, and you wan to deny it? WOW!

False accuser.

 

[just-me]

i gave the testimony of the guy that was a crack dealer, i showed you the 10 commandments and what the bible said that us gentiles do which is to do the things contained in the 10 commandments that is why we must be born again, and as you saw through the video he did just that do the things contained in the commandments covet, had a gun so he was willing to kill without any remorce, but look what happen when God saved him and he receive the holy spirit his life completely changed, he got rid of the bad lifestyle the gun kicked out the woman and the people from the crackhouse, what did this happen, what do you think? because the spirit fulfilled the law in him, that is how someone truly becomes righteous, it doesn't mean they will become righteous enough to follow it but the law is already fulfilled in him through the holy spirit, that is why the just shall live by faith and not BY COMMANDS before the entire law is fulfilled in us, that is why it says to love is to fulfill the entire law, why is that? because it has already been fulfilled in you, take for example your hungry so you eat a donut to filfill your hunger, it's the same thing, you receive the holy spirit to fulfill the law

good Story, it is a confirmation that the law is truly the schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. As Christians, we should use that tool to add to the church as good stewards.

Galatians 3:24-29 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Josh321]

good Story, it is a confirmation that the law is truly the schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. As Christians, we should use that tool to add to the church as good stewards.

Galatians 3:24-29 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

it is, that's it's just to lead us to christ not to be " worshipped " the law tells us that we are in sin and need Jesus, everyone knows that sin leads to death, and sin is the opposite of the law, and us the gentiles do the things contained in it by nature, and we realise that we can't follow it that is why we look to Jesus to have it fulfilled in us, physically following it isn't going to make you sinless you need a spiritual birth, that is what it means

 

[chubbena]

lol, did you even read what he said? if you plan to keep the mosiac law why don't you keep it all instead of parts, why don't you kill animals since Jesus didn't die for you as yet? your making his death in vain all of you, he came to fulfill the law, so everyone can be righteous through the spirit, none of you don't even understand what that means... i've tried countless times to show you but you still don't get it

Please you don't have to worry about me keeping the law and on the other hand don't assume things which I didn't say. If you don't have the patient like some here do who tirelessly explain with scripture then don't do it. Sorry can't help you with counting problem though.
Wheat and tares will never mix so let's wait and see.

 

[john832]

lol, did you even read what he said? if you plan to keep the mosiac law why don't you keep it all instead of parts, why don't you kill animals since Jesus didn't die for you as yet? your making his death in vain all of you, he came to fulfill the law, so everyone can be righteous through the spirit, none of you don't even understand what that means... i've tried countless times to show you but you still don't get it

Tell me where on earth one would sacrifice an animal today?