What Laws are still valid to christians

[john832]

Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead

Law-cultists deceive themselves and others into thinking that Christ makes them strong to keep the law. I think that really forms the basis for their delusion.

There is a certain truth to it. I think that is why it gains a foothold. But it is a twisting of the truth.

So the real way to avoid delusion is to say and behave as if the Law is done away. That way you won't be deluded?

Hmmm,, things that make you go hmmm.

 

[Grandpa]

I think strangled is ia mistranslation

Acts 15:20, "But rather, write to them that they abstain from adefilements: such as godworship from all sexual impurity, from that which has been cooked with the blood still in it, and from bloodshed by violence"

seems the default position is to say one is trying to be justified by Law, so if I dont transgress everything Yahweh said I am "not trusting is the blood of Messiah?"

I trust in what my Messiah says

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

since when did "Law written on my heart" become I HATE HATE HATE THAT OLD CURSE CALLED THE LAW HATE!.... HATE! and if you try to not be fillthy you are doomed!!!!!! DOOOOOMED I SAY!

ok, a little extra there but this is the principe most have been taught, but a little more mellow, lol.

You are trying to not be filthy, that is good.

But your trying is filthy rags, on your own.

The only trying you need, in order to be cleansed, is to come before the Lord Jesus Christ and ask to be cleansed.

Don't you know what cleanses us?

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
What can make me white as snow? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
No other fount I know. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

 

[john832]

You are trying to not be filthy, that is good.

But your trying is filthy rags, on your own.

The only trying you need, in order to be cleansed, is to come before the Lord Jesus Christ and ask to be cleansed.

Don't you know what cleanses us?

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
What can make me white as snow? Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.
No other fount I know. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

Why do you assume that striving to obey God is done with the intent of being justified by actions? Do you know my heart? Do you know that I strive to obey God to please Him, not justify myself?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

 

[homwardbound]

have you ever seen anyone born of God practice sin?

I have seen those that say they are and are not, I was one for many years, yet wanted to know truth no matter what came along to stop me from knowing truth, as in suffering in the flesh.
The born again as in full truth of God's miraculous gift that was given to me while I struggled, came through one day. so I practiced this new life, while I did not want it to sin, saying as the Corinthians did I can go ahead and do this, since I am forgiven, I am not harming anyone, and the lusting, continued as in me thinking since I am forgiven 100% forever by Christ's death at the cross, (Which is truth), no matter if one sins or not. I took advantage of this for years, not actually wanting to ever really take advantage, but that evil self flesh was just in the way, and just kept having it's way, and has never stopped trying to have it's way as Paul talks of in Romans chapters 6-8. God started teaching me it is not the Law that is weak, it is my flesh that is that "I" was born with and that it needs to die, and then "I" heard am I willing to be co-crucified with Father's son at the cross and see the new life Father has given me, even while "I" was yet a sinner and in the way?
I said oh yes please for "I" am at the end of my rope trying to hold onto pleasing you and others by what "I" am doing or not doing so then "I" died with Christ on the cross, and do this daily as a practice, that has now turned into a habit, that has become a Characteristic, that is now a trait. The old trait has been killed, and now wants to return, but I just plain and simply die daily, knowing God will keep me safe and secure daily as God has been doing since day one of me believing God. God has matured me and is maturing everyone else here, into a ripe, juicy fruit, that is humble beyond measure
Thanks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you assume that striving to obey God is done with the intent of being justified by actions? Do you know my heart? Do you know that I strive to obey God to please Him, not justify myself?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

because your too busy trying to follow some law. And not busy trying to find out what God wants you to do every minute. And your preaching one who does not follow the law to your standard could not be saved.

thus your holding yourself above others. And claiming your more righteous than others.

 

[Grandpa]

(not asking for myself but for understanding you view)

so if i have faith but do everything against what Yahweh and Yahshua say I will still enter the kingdom of Yahweh?

You have a misunderstanding of faith.

You can't work against what you believe in.

You can only work out of what you believe in.

Your work will find you out. It will prove what your faith is. If you are working at the law it shows that you have faith in you and your works.

If you have faith in Christ you have been given rest from your works of righteousness, your works of the law. Your faith in Christ causes you to abide in Him, Alone. Your faith in Christ is what causes fruit of the Spirit to be produced in your life.

This is a mystery. Only by the knowledge and revelation of Jesus Christ can we begin to understand.

 

[homwardbound]

A person in unredeemed flesh does not have the capacity to do good. So not sure what your trying to say here.

Okay do you by the cross of Christ consider and or reckon your flesh self to be dead to self, with Christ at the death of
Christ, and alive to God, in the resurrected Christ, a gift to you from God the Father of Christ?

 

[homwardbound]

I have written this many times, possibly you never saw it...

Fatih alone = dead

Works alone = dead

Fatih + works = life!

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Now you tell me pease why I shouldnt be trying to do and teach Yahweh's Laws?

I agree, now who's works are we saying ours or God's works?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have a misunderstanding of faith.

You can't work against what you believe in.

You can only work out of what you believe in.

Your work will find you out. It will prove what your faith is. If you are working at the law it shows that you have faith in you and your works.

If you have faith in Christ you have been given rest from your works of righteousness, your works of the law. Your faith in Christ causes you to abide in Him, Alone. Your faith in Christ is what causes fruit of the Spirit to be produced in your life.

This is a mystery. Only by the knowledge and revelation of Jesus Christ can we begin to understand.

that is why the gate is so narrow. and why so few there are who enter in

 

[homwardbound]

Yep. I have seen it, and refuted it.

There is no such things as faith alone. Impossible. James says it right here!

James does not say faith alone = dead.

He says NO FAITH will save you

True faith will produce works. Thus , again I repeat.. there is NO SUCH THING AS FAITH ALONE. You are just decieving yourself to try to add your works to the gospel.

And therefore the works that are shown are not the believers works, rather they are God's works that are already done in Christ at the cross for all that believe God
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

What, God did what? No, can't I do more? I am what by God, I think I am going to thank God for this amazing pardon that Io not deserve, anyone else?

 

[john832]

because your too busy trying to follow some law. And not busy trying to find out what God wants you to do every minute. And your preaching one who does not follow the law to your standard could not be saved.

thus your holding yourself above others. And claiming your more righteous than others.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Yep, I am busy trying to obey the law...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For the reason I mentioned above...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Okay do you by the cross of Christ consider and or reckon your flesh self to be dead to self, with Christ at the death of
Christ, and alive to God, in the resurrected Christ, a gift to you from God the Father of Christ?

My flesh died with Christ. But unfortunately, it still pops up so I do the things I don;t want to do.

 

[homwardbound]

But it does.

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.
His purpose was to create in himself one new man (body of Christ) out of the two, thus making peace, by which he put to death their hostility." (Eph 2:14-16)

His death on the cross created peace (reconciliation)

1) between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the source of their hostility in the defilement laws, and making them into one new man, the body of Christ, and

2) between God and the one body of Jews and Gentiles (mankind), by forgiveness of their sin through faith his propitiating sacrifice (Ro 3:25), which gave them right standing (not quilty) before God.

His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two (Eph 2:15),
and then reconcile the one new man to God. (Eph 2:16)

That is about the letter of the Law, not the Spirit of the Law of Love, that is spread abroad in the born again believer, is this truth?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Yep, I am busy trying to obey the law...

lol. There are much more commands than just the law. if your just going to follow law. your going to miss out.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

For the reason I mentioned above...

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

lol. Your still do not get it.

I obey Gods commands, NOT because I follow the law. But because I am focused on what God wants me to do. which is love others.

Again, You need the law. so you can excuse your own sin. You missing out so much.

Those who are of God WILL obey his commands. Unfortunately. there are those who are not Gods who love to post those verses, and claim they are gods. because they by their own flesh to themselves obey Gods commands. The pharisees where very good at this. I bet they were even better law obeyers than you. They followed the whole law. Not just th eparts they pick and chose.

 

[homwardbound]

everyone who says im wrong for wanting to follow and tech Yahweh's Law is doing this

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

and those who say we shouldnt follow it

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

tell us are you trying to follow the letter of the Law or are in the Spirit of the Law of God?
I do see Love that comes from you, in you and out of you. So maybe here there is a lack of communication.
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Just as nature abhors a vacuum, so it is in the spiritual world that the absence of faith will automatically be filled with the exaltation of the works of law.

Well tell us please do we make void the Law or uphold the Law?

 

[Grandpa]

Why do you assume that striving to obey God is done with the intent of being justified by actions? Do you know my heart? Do you know that I strive to obey God to please Him, not justify myself?

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Your works, and your words, show what you have faith in.

Where does the Lord Jesus fit in to your law keeping?

What pleases God?

 

[john832]

Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull

Yep. I have seen it, and refuted it.

There is no such things as faith alone. Impossible. James says it right here!

James does not say faith alone = dead.

He says NO FAITH will save you

True faith will produce works. Thus , again I repeat.. there is NO SUCH THING AS FAITH ALONE. You are just decieving yourself to try to add your works to the gospel.

Hmmm, and here lies a problem, this...

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Does not mean dead...

James does not say faith alone = dead.

What does it mean? Faith without works is alive?

No wonder we are on separate pages, one of us can't read.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, and here lies a problem, this...

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Does not mean dead...

do you even know how to read.

faith is dead. james said even demons BELIEVE yet tremble. James is saying belief and faith is not the same, If we CLAIM to have faith but have no works. Our faith is dead (we are decieving ourselves) thus we have mere believe/. NOT FAITH

What does it mean? Faith without works is alive

Nope. A faith which is alive (true faith) would have works. Wow you know how to twist things don;t you!!

No wonder we are on separate pages, one of us can't read.

your right there. You seem to think a faith without works can have life.. And be true faith vs a false faith. You must, or you would agree with me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your works, and your words, show what you have faith in.

Where does the Lord Jesus fit in to your law keeping?

What pleases God?

Amen.

if your faith is in self as in you are you r own God. You will show the works (live in sin)

If your faith is in the law, and religion, You will show the works. Preach law, Judge others who do not preach law. And do all kinds of religious ceremony.

If your faith is in Christ, You will show change, You will learn to love others more, and self less. You will be like Christ, More worried about others, and less worried about self.

the second two can look alot alike. they both appear morally good. they both do religious things (like give, go to church etc etc0 but only one is headed to heaven!