What Laws are still valid to christians

[Welshman]

I'm afraid your using situational ethics here just to try validate your beliefs? Situational ethics are not biblical ? Common sense dictates you would protect your home and wife and your goods bt to say all these other points are invalid because of a hypothetical occurrence is just simply inane my friend I know you love The Lord in your own way bt unless you understand the lords real free love I'm afraid for you, the law is futile to save anyone as in Adam all shall die so in Christ all shall live? As many as The Lord calls ? Regards your hypothetical situation the aggressor is the sinner not the house owner protecting his wife children and goods ? Only The Lord knows how his child would deal with such an occurrence but you place the house owner in sin either way? Situation ethics? He's a sinner if he dnt protect he also a sinner if he did protect and injured the intruder? Unbiblical my friend

 

[Josh321]

Yet neither are you investigating anything he has had to say, either, and I see both of you as believers, each seeing from a different angle
He is not claiming to be under the curse of Law, he is claiming to be in the Spirit of the Law, and that it was the letter of the Law that led him to Christ, and not making void the Law as the Corinthians did, and just went and did what they wanted without compassion for their neighbor, eating up all the food, and drinking all the wine
So instead of making void the Law he is showing that he is upholding it and not taking it for granted as what he has interpreted others are saying, making void the law so they can sin away without care for others.
Which I know that you and others are not saying.
Do you now see where the lack of communicating is at here?
praying so.

if it was that we wouldn't had an argument in the first place, because that is exactly what i am saying

 

[homwardbound]

I dont see how cherishing and exalting Yahweh's Instructions to mankind is a lack of faith?

Yaaqob 2:18, "Yes, a man may say: You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works!"

Hebrews 3:18-19, "And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

I thikn the guy that wrote this had faith:

Psalm 19:7-11, "The Laws of Yahweh are perfect, converting the whole person. The testimony of Yahweh is sure, making the simple ones wise. The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart; mind. The commandments of Yahweh are pure, bringing understanding to the eyes. The reverence of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever. The judgments of Yahweh are true and altogether righteous. They are more to be desired than gold, yes, than even much fine gold. They are sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them are Your servants warned, and in keeping them there is great greward."




I think Shaul's view of what "are not under the law" meant and todays view are 2 differnt things.

I keep posting these verses because they are IGNORED, nobody answers them, Mt 7 has been answered but iniquity is ignored or the meaning is changed into a made up in fable meanings.

These Messiah not only taught us we should follow Yahweh's Law, but said those who don't will be rejected. PERIOD.

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

I am not seeing anyone here practicing iniquity here, I see all here are just trying to show, what they have been taught in obeying god and that id through Faith in the Messiah, not preaching a license to sin, preaching through Christ, by trusting Father now we are doers of the Law, yet not really us, rather God through us at least this is what I am saying Father came to do through Son for us to appreciate not ignore
praying you all get this truth form God.

 

[homwardbound]

And that includes his word written in Heb 1:1-2, 7:11-12, 18-19, 8:3; Eph 2:14-16, etc.

So the Old and te New do fit together like a glove that fits ones hand, hmm!!!!! go figure

 

[cfultz3]

Thanks for the like Chris? Are you ok my friend gt your message ( private) last night hope you got mine my friend ...

Yes, I got your message and thank you for understanding my intent.

 

[Welshman]

No worries I understand why you found it strange if I was offering my own copyrighted material Chris, I should have written it more clearly so as not to confuse lol no harm dne any way friend .. Cnt help bt laugh now my man as if I was copyrighting my own material when the gospel and all I've received was free hahahahaha bt all is good that main thing amen

 

[homwardbound]

Acts 2 v29 makes it clear were king David was and still is no ifs no doubts no speculation ... King David is I his grave unto this day amen

personally I see it as his body still there in the grave, but not his Spirit. Anyway thanks, that is on a different thread and many different views, yet when and I get to heaven we shall have a lot of questions answered
Thanks for you input

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Uh, yeah. The question is what Law do you obey? Some ethereal idea or the Ten Commandments.

I would venture to say She obeys all of Gods commands when she looks to the spirit.

She does not water down Gods commands to just ten like you do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, so if someone comes to your house to night, has his way with your wife, knocks you senseless and steals all your possessions, he has not sinned?

Wanna post your address?

Well of course they have.

They were not doing what God wanted them to do during that time, Instead they were focused on self. and in doing so. doing things which would pleasure self. Anything we do in this is sin, We do not need the law to show us this. For even the heathen understand this is sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The "commandments" in 1 John 3:22 are not the Mosaic Law. Rather, they are "the law of liberty", which are the NT teachings which we obey by the grace of God.

People can be related to the eternal, unchangeable, moral absolutes of God without being under the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law; and it is possible to be free from the moral aspect of the Mosaic Law without being lawless.

Yes, It includes things like going and making disciples. Loving our neighbor. Loving our christian family. Serving those who God has put in our lives.

But mr john here just think it is not doing what God said not to do.

He is still focused on self. thats why he does not get it.

 

[Josh321]

people just confusing the matter, look before God came and died for us, righteousness was shown by the keeping of the commandments but the gentiles didn't had the law we do the things against it by nature, so that is why God came and died for our sins so that us the gentiles could live a righteous life so through the death of christ the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us when we accept Jesus as our savior, now that is the spirit of the law now what this means is, for example lets say there is this guy he was in a gang member and he use to steal and and do everything against the law, now look what happens after he receive christ it is almost impossible for him to steal again or to live an adulturous lifestyle, because the law is implanted in him, that is the covenant made with us, " i will put my law in their hearts and mind " that is fulfillment so it would almost be impossible for lets say a criminal who murdered someone but receive christ to go and kill again because the laws are fulfilled in him in his mind and heart, or someone he just live a lustful lifestyle to just go and do that again it's almost impossible because the law is fulfilled in them, this is exactly what i have been trying to tell everyone here from the first place, so then if the law is fulfilled in us through the holy spirit why would you still need to go back and follow thou shalt not when it is already fulfilled in you? that is why in the bible it said those who were trying to be justified by the law are severed from christ, because through his spirit the law is already fulfilled in us.

 

[homwardbound]

without foundation , how can anything stand.(when the flood comes, how can the house stand (etc) if god so loved the world.etc there is no action just a yes or no answer to believing in his son jesus. how can you decern anything. given you need the truth(in the correct foundation ) to set you free first.
knowing your bible is one thing, and the harvest is gods not ours(his plan).

So now I see what Paul is saying and why to be careful in how one builds from the foundation
Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

 

[cfultz3]

So, it is true. Faith does not make void the Law, but upholds it.

But we all must understand that it is not upheld by our flesh, seeing that we would never be found justified by the Christ.

It is upheld by hearkening to the Spirit who leads to the Life.

The more we succumb to Him, the less the child's correction is and the more naturally pleasing we become.

 

[Elin]

There is no "letter of the law" and "spirit of the law" in Scripture.

There is only the letter, which is the law, and the Spirit.

The letter (the law) kills because of Dt 27:26, while the Spirit gives life (eternal life).

2Co 3:6 is not referring to a "spiritual" meaning of the law, but to the person of the Holy Spirit.

Elin, The Spirit, as in the Holy Spirit, IS "the Spirit of the law".

Do you find "spirit of the law" in Scripture?

 

[cfultz3]

Hmmm, so if someone comes to your house to night, has his way with your wife, knocks you senseless and steals all your possessions, he has not sinned?

Wanna post your address?

Dear John

Does not the Spirit have the same Law which was written down?

The written Law which says not to kill is also told (if the opportunity would come up) to us by the Spirit.

The Law is good. So good, God decided to write it upon our hearts.

But, if we try to follow it with our flesh, then our sins are kept on record and need to be taken of. The remedy God ordained was death. If our obedience is by our flesh and not through the Spirit, then we will never be delivered from that death, seeing that Christ died but once. There is no more sacrifice for those who place themselves back under the Law.

Suppose then that no one is saying we do not have the Law. But, suppose they are saying the method to be pleasing to God's will has changed.

 

[homwardbound]

no one really understands how overwhelming this is for me...i mean the only way any to get to God is if he calls them first... who am i that he would call me to be apart of his family, it's a question i must ask when i see him, i mean one day i'm smoking with friends then the very next day God just completely.. change my life i know most of you seeing me typing alot and being involve in alot of threads and probably think i was like this all my life, but i hadn't even read the bible since my father passed or even pray for 3 years i didn't know nothing, i don't even know where i have all of this knowledge from, i'm still amazed even today God is such a good God don't even know how much to thank him...

God's love is unfathomable!
you are righteous and justified if you have the peace that passes all understanding, quietness and confidence forever.

 

[cfultz3]

So, it is true. Faith does not make void the Law, but upholds it.

But we all must understand that it is not upheld by our flesh, seeing that we would never be found justified by the Christ.

It is upheld by hearkening to the Spirit who leads to the Life.

The more we succumb to Him, the less the child's correction is and the more naturally pleasing we become.

Eg,

Just like you to know that the last statement was my take from what you say about the Law becoming less a tool of correction by the Spirit as we become less resistant to His leading.

 

[homwardbound]

even though we obey his commandments we are not saved by our own actions or any works of the law but are saved by grace of our Lord hamashiach yashuah so that no man shall glory in themselves but be wise and prudent and hold fast that you may take of that inheritance wich is given by faith but fear that you may sin not that his wrath may come upon you because fear of the Lord is the begining of knowledge

Now when one sees the born again life from God, they see they are friends with God and the perfect love of God given to them through Christ Jesus, and then this perfect love casts out all fear
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

 

[Hoffco]

Do any of you really think that God the Father ,before creation , had to tell God the SON and God the Spirit, be careful not to steal, or, don't commit fornication? I don't think so,! I don' think those Moral laws are needed in a perfect society. And God is not sexually inclinded. Paul said. we know the law was not given to righteous persons, but to sinners. "To the pure all things are pure, but to the unbelieving, nothing is pure". they just don't want to sin.! But we are all still inclined to sin ,even with our pure rightrous new natures; so we need the laws to remind us. Do you think the perfect Son of God ,Jesus, in Heaven, needs the Father to remind Him, don.t do that, it is sin? NO WAY, Jesus is the only perfect, complete human. The "spirits of just men make perfect", don't have to be reminded ,not to sin. sin does not enter their miinds. Why do you think the 10 commandments are eternal? I think, God made the laws for time only. They are a reflection of the Holy nature of God ; but not related practically to God; so why would God has a plack of the 10 commandments hanging in His living room.? Love to all, Hoffco

 

[cfultz3]

Do any of you really think that God the Father ,before creation , had to tell God the SON and God the Spirit, be careful not to steal, or, don't commit fornication? I don't think so,! I don' think those Moral laws are needed in a perfect society. And God is not sexually inclinded. Paul said. we know the law was not given to righteous persons, but to sinners. "To the pure all things are pure, but to the unbelieving, nothing is pure". they just don't want to sin.! But we are all still inclined to sin ,even with our pure rightrous new natures; so we need the laws to remind us. Do you think the perfect Son of God ,Jesus, in Heaven, needs the Father to remind Him, don.t do that, it is sin? NO WAY, Jesus is the only perfect, complete human. The "spirits of just men make perfect", don't have to be reminded ,not to sin. sin does not enter their miinds. Why do you think the 10 commandments are eternal? I think, God made the laws for time only. They are a reflection of the Holy nature of God ; but not related practically to God; so why would God has a plack of the 10 commandments hanging in His living room.? Love to all, Hoffco

That is what I said when the Spirit corrected me and the Father flogged me.....