What Laws are still valid to christians
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[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2:10-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
You're a pastor and you don't know that Jesus was speaking to Israel to whom he was sent?
And behold, a Canaanite woman from that district came and cried out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely possessed by a demon!” But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came up and asked him, saying, “Send her away, because she is crying out after us!” But he answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:22-24
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I think it is quite clear what he said.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Knowing in context. The scribes and pharisees were seen and known by everyone who knew them as the most righteous people on earth ACCORDING to the law. I would venture to say, and be quite honest. that not a person in this room today can claim to follow the law better than the pharisees. he is making a point, even their righteousness (which every onr jesus was speaking to could understand they did not attain, thus could never attain) is not good enough.
then he goes to prove the law of old (mosaic law) was not even good enough to show us how to be rightious.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,[SUP][a][/SUP] and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[SUP][b][/SUP] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Non of the stuff bolded was contained in the old law.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old,[SUP][c][/SUP] ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Again. Not found in the old law
Then we have a command not even found in the origional ten (sorry John once again you are proven wrong) but found in the origional law. But even that did not tell you the complete thing.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; [SUP]35 [/SUP]nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
another non ten command. But law all the same!
[SUP]38 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]39 [/SUP]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
So we see Jesus tell us a few things.
it starts by showing us who is blessed. Not those who follow the law. But those who humble themselves, and do ALL things with humility and th elove of others (including our enemy)
then it says this about the law
1. The law will not pass away, it will still condemn you
2. The law will not make you righteous, Because the people who did do them were not righteous enough
3. The law was incomplete. in that it could not even show us how to be righteous. It was not even complete. It said do not murder. or commit adultry. But it never showed us that even the thought of lust or angry outburst was just as evil and made us just as guilty.
And you want to take ONE small verse out of the WHOLE of jesus message, and say this claim you are right and we are wrong?? WOW!!
[SUP]3 [/SUP]“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Knowing in context. The scribes and pharisees were seen and known by everyone who knew them as the most righteous people on earth ACCORDING to the law. I would venture to say, and be quite honest. that not a person in this room today can claim to follow the law better than the pharisees. he is making a point, even their righteousness (which every onr jesus was speaking to could understand they did not attain, thus could never attain) is not good enough.
then he goes to prove the law of old (mosaic law) was not even good enough to show us how to be rightious.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder,[SUP][a][/SUP] and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ [SUP]22 [/SUP]But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[SUP][b][/SUP] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.
Non of the stuff bolded was contained in the old law.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said to those of old,[SUP][c][/SUP] ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Again. Not found in the old law
Then we have a command not even found in the origional ten (sorry John once again you are proven wrong) but found in the origional law. But even that did not tell you the complete thing.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ [SUP]34 [/SUP]But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; [SUP]35 [/SUP]nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. [SUP]37 [/SUP]But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
another non ten command. But law all the same!
[SUP]38 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]39 [/SUP]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
So we see Jesus tell us a few things.
it starts by showing us who is blessed. Not those who follow the law. But those who humble themselves, and do ALL things with humility and th elove of others (including our enemy)
then it says this about the law
1. The law will not pass away, it will still condemn you
2. The law will not make you righteous, Because the people who did do them were not righteous enough
3. The law was incomplete. in that it could not even show us how to be righteous. It was not even complete. It said do not murder. or commit adultry. But it never showed us that even the thought of lust or angry outburst was just as evil and made us just as guilty.
And you want to take ONE small verse out of the WHOLE of jesus message, and say this claim you are right and we are wrong?? WOW!!
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Paul is saying to the Gentiles do not be circumcised to try to become a child of god as the Jews did at the time and still do? Paul is stating the cutting of the flesh profits nothing I repeat thier is national Israel ( the country of the Jewish people) bt thier is spiritual Israel ( believers in Christ Jesus around the world) me included? If my desire to be a member of gods family is genuine and I assure you it is I want to be a true Jew inside? Obeying every law of god bt through my faith in Jesus Christ which is the work the father wants us to do ? The mosaic law the levitical law and every law that commands I wish to achieve through faith not literal strict obedience to the original 613 commandments in the Talmud? Simply cutting the foreskin of a man does not give that person a direct route to The Lord nor does The Lord seek such? When this was practiced of old it was a test of obedience, bt its plain to see it never worked ? Look at the rebellion in israels history for disobeying god through countless kings the period of the judges even sending great prophets to warn his chosen people ? Now the law is only profitable if we understand its real true purpose? The purpose of the law is was, to show us our sin our need of a saviour to reconcile us to the Heavenly Father ? Are we going to pontificate and say the law is for any other reasons than what I've stated? If so ?, show me the scripture that says the law saves the law is the way to god and full obedience to law will make us Christlike ? Nowere in the bible is this clearly unambiguously say such a thing ... Jesus is reproducing himself in and through us soon there will be millions of godlike children full of the spirit just like our lord himself .... The flesh is a carcass nothing else beautifully made bt subject to death and decay amen ...
Here is an example of walking by faith and walking by works of law.
Ruth was a Moabitess living in the land of Israel. When the opportunity to perform the role of kinsman redeemer was presented to Boaz, a kinsman of Ruth's dead Israelite husband, he deferred to a neighbor who was closer kin than he was.
The neighbor chose not to exercise his role as a kinsman redeemer probably because he feared what the law said regarding Moabites.
Boaz bought Ruth as his wife, and subsequently was blessed with becoming a part of the lineage of King David and Christ.
Boaz made his decision based on faith, not law, because the law pronounced a curse against Moabites.
One kinsman sought righteousness through works of law and wasn't blessed. The other kinsman disregarded what the law said and followed his heart (because Ruth was a virtuous woman), and was blessed.
Those with eyes to see, let them see.
Ruth was a Moabitess living in the land of Israel. When the opportunity to perform the role of kinsman redeemer was presented to Boaz, a kinsman of Ruth's dead Israelite husband, he deferred to a neighbor who was closer kin than he was.
The neighbor chose not to exercise his role as a kinsman redeemer probably because he feared what the law said regarding Moabites.
And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it. Ruth 4:6
An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Deuteronomy 23:3
An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever: Deuteronomy 23:3
Boaz bought Ruth as his wife, and subsequently was blessed with becoming a part of the lineage of King David and Christ.
And the women her neighbours gave [Boaz's son] a name, saying, There is a son born to Naomi [Ruth's mother-in-law]; and they called his name Obed: he is the father of Jesse, the father of David. Ruth 4:17
Boaz made his decision based on faith, not law, because the law pronounced a curse against Moabites.
One kinsman sought righteousness through works of law and wasn't blessed. The other kinsman disregarded what the law said and followed his heart (because Ruth was a virtuous woman), and was blessed.
Those with eyes to see, let them see.
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Actually e-g, I agree with everything you said here. I'm saying that because Jesus was talking to His disciples in Matthew 5, it is applicable to us well. When He tells us they should follow the Law and teach others to do so, that applies to us as well
And as I've said before, if you're physically keeping the law out of obligation only, you profit nothing (except a few physical benefits). But if you do them in Spirit and Truth, because you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, that's the key.
And as I've said before, if you're physically keeping the law out of obligation only, you profit nothing (except a few physical benefits). But if you do them in Spirit and Truth, because you love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength, that's the key.
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The law is good and holy?, we are most definetly neither ? So how can the law save someone who is not covered by the law? Impossible? Now Jesus is another issue Jesus has existed always in spirit then a period as man then back to his eternal spirit? If we are to be with Jesus here and the future we are going to need the same body as Jesus is, in his spiritual form ? How is the law going to provide this for us? Jesus is the fulfilment of the law, the fathers holiness demanded blood sacrifice for the sins that man has and is still committing? That blood was to reconcile us to god? It had to be holy blood such was the cost ? Humanity would have been in perpetual turmoil for eternity without it? Sure Jesus obeyed all the laws he wrote the laws and that law was to keep us until faith came? Now faith comes by hearing Romans 10 v 17 not strict adherence to law? Blindness is talked about in John 9 v41 if we cnt accept Jesus own words then we are in a heap full of trouble .. God bless you wonderful people here on cc? Jew gentile Hispanic Chinese South African and all you other people of nations Jesus is for all of us not just a few? Mathew 5 v 44/47 amen praise god his ways are higher than ours ? Oh old feeble men who are we to contend with the almighty? Lets accept his sacrifice for us let us be thankful in heart and mind always lets try rest in his grace and remain as children.amen