Suicide?

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

I know christians (and many other people) think Suicide is wrong.
Why do christians think suicide is wrong?
And some say you go to hell for suicide...
Why would god send a person to hell for breaking down from despair?
All they wanted was to escape suffering, why would he make them suffer more??

I know someone who suicided and its horrible to think they may be suffering more now than they were in life...
How could a good god let that happen?

 

[letti]

Well,you didn't make yourself it is not left up to us to wimp out of life.Suicide is a cowardly way out,Judas killed himself, and Christ said it would have been better if he had never been born.Life can hurt,but we need to carry on and get through it.Christ doesn't ever forsake us it is we that choose to forsake him.Those hurting and in despair need to lean on him even more.

 

[mystdancer50]

Personally, I think suicide is wrong because it is murder and it is taking ones own life when God is the One that has measured our days and granted us our days and given us life. How arrogant is man to think that he can be God?

Now, as to if God sends someone to Hell if they kill themselves, I am not Him and so I couldn't say.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Sadly, a lot of people commit suicide (murder) thinking it will resolve their problems. Unfortunately, a lot of those people will end up in Hell, because Jesus is the only one who can resolve our problems and provide salvation. For these sad cases, you can most definitely say that they made their own problems one Hell of a lot worse.

While on Earth, we can come to Jesus for salvation, and resolution of our problems. Once we have died, there is no turning back or second chance to repent.

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

Well,you didn't make yourself it is not left up to us to wimp out of life.Suicide is a cowardly way out,Judas killed himself, and Christ said it would have been better if he had never been born.Life can hurt,but we need to carry on and get through it.Christ doesn't ever forsake us it is we that choose to forsake him.Those hurting and in despair need to lean on him even more.

Sometimes, for some people, nothing in life can help them feel better... call them weak if you want but its not their fault.

Personally, I think suicide is wrong because it is murder and it is taking ones own life when God is the One that has measured our days and granted us our days and given us life. How arrogant is man to think that he can be God?

Now, as to if God sends someone to Hell if they kill themselves, I am not Him and so I couldn't say.

Most people who suicide are not trying to "be god". Just trying to stop their pain.

Sadly, a lot of people commit suicide (murder) thinking it will resolve their problems. Unfortunately, a lot of those people will end up in Hell, because Jesus is the only one who can resolve our problems and provide salvation. For these sad cases, you can most definitely say that they made their own problems one Hell of a lot worse.

While on Earth, we can come to Jesus for salvation, and resolution of our problems. Once we have died, there is no turning back or second chance to repent.

I understand why some people who suicide should not get a chance at heaven (like people who kill others and then kill themselves) but for someone who never hurt anyone and was even a good person by basic moral standards, how could they go to hell forr suicide when they had no other option. I know everyone always says they don't havta do it... but few understand that sometimes they have to... just like you have to cry if you are overloaded with sadness... or have to get away from something that causes you pain... if someone is stabbing you with a knife in the leg do you stay put and endure the stabbing or do you get away? Obviously you should get away from whoever is stabbing you... its just that they had to get away from life...

It seems people who are driven to suicide by their own mental and emotional agony should not be condemned... I'm sure suicide is a last resort.... they try everything else they can think of but nothing helps... so what is left? Some people are more fragile than others and its not their fault... if a peice of glass can't take the pressure then it just can't take the pressure...

If any god would condemn those tortured souls to even greater eternal torture then that god is not good in my eyes.

I know Myst said that it is unknown but others say they will and some say they won't. I'm not sure which is true.

Also, If it was better suiciders were never born, then why did god let them be born? I mean I guess you could say free-will justifies all but if god knows our choices beforehand then what's the point? Or if some people are driven to suicide (not really their choice) then what's the point?

Also, if after you die you have no chance of heaven then what about people who are not christian who are murdered?? It was not their choice to get murdered... what if they had not accepted jesus before they were murdered? Will they go to hell cuz they did not accept jesus in life when they were murdered before they even had a chance to do so??

 

[letti]

Sometimes, for some people, nothing in life can help them feel better... call them weak if you want but its not their fault.



Most people who suicide are not trying to "be god". Just trying to stop their pain.



I understand why some people who suicide should not get a chance at heaven (like people who kill others and then kill themselves) but for someone who never hurt anyone and was even a good person by basic moral standards, how could they go to hell forr suicide when they had no other option. I know everyone always says they don't havta do it... but few understand that sometimes they have to... just like you have to cry if you are overloaded with sadness... or have to get away from something that causes you pain... if someone is stabbing you with a knife in the leg do you stay put and endure the stabbing or do you get away? Obviously you should get away from whoever is stabbing you... its just that they had to get away from life...

It seems people who are driven to suicide by their own mental and emotional agony should not be condemned... I'm sure suicide is a last resort.... they try everything else they can think of but nothing helps... so what is left? Some people are more fragile than others and its not their fault... if a peice of glass can't take the pressure then it just can't take the pressure...

If any god would condemn those tortured souls to even greater eternal torture then that god is not good in my eyes.

I know Myst said that it is unknown but others say they will and some say they won't. I'm not sure which is true.

Also, If it was better suiciders were never born, then why did god let them be born? I mean I guess you could say free-will justifies all but if god knows our choices beforehand then what's the point? Or if some people are driven to suicide (not really their choice) then what's the point?

Also, if after you die you have no chance of heaven then what about people who are not christian who are murdered?? It was not their choice to get murdered... what if they had not accepted jesus before they were murdered? Will they go to hell cuz they did not accept jesus in life when they were murdered before they even had a chance to do so??

I have in my past many times contemplated suicide, as well as attempted to end my life several times.God is real,Christ died for you that is how much he cares for you.You are not just a lost cause with no hope or way to overcome this.At one time I believed as you do, I felt as weak as you.You can overcome this.I am here if you need to talk,I am more than willing to try help and encourage you.God Bless and don't give up.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Also, if after you die you have no chance of heaven then what about people who are not christian who are murdered?? It was not their choice to get murdered... what if they had not accepted jesus before they were murdered? Will they go to hell cuz they did not accept jesus in life when they were murdered before they even had a chance to do so??

While we are alive, we have a chance to turn to Jesus for forgiveness of our sins. Its only through Jesus' righteous blood shed for us that our sins can be forgiven. For those who don't accept Jesus' sacrifice for sin, their sins will not be forgiven, and they will therefore end up in hell, whether they die of natural causes, or were murdered (by themselves or others).

This is why it is very important for everyone to turn to Jesus without delay, for the forgiveness of their sins. We do not know when our time on Earth will expire.

 

[woka]

I find it quite amazing how many people think that killing yourself is cowardly, let's really re-think this, could you imagine taking a huge amount of pills, knowing what is going on in your body, could you imagine taking a rope and putting it over your head, and pushing the chair away. Killing to me in any form whatsoever be it suicide, self defence or just killing someone because you are a "bad" person must truly be one of the absolute hardest thing's to do.

A psychologist friend of mine said that people who cannot understand people who have thought about suicide or who have committed suicide are right in their lack of understanding, because if they really understood where that person is physically, emotionally, spiritually then they too would be able to contemplate suicide. It is the total lack of knowledge that we have that makes is not understandable.

I can honestly say that until you and I have walked in someone else's shoe's we have no right to judge their actions. I know that the absolute and complete darkness and emptiness that must be felt by people contemplating this is unfathomable for us.

The Lord Jesus died for each of us on a cross over two thousand year's ago. When he died for us it was to cover ever single one of our sin's, not some. If we have to still be alive after we commit suicide to ask for forgiveness for the sin of killing ourselves where then does salvation come in? If our salvation is dependant on our confession, then please tell me what Jesus did all those year's ago. Is our salvation not a free gift? It can't be if it is subject to be confessing and asking for forgiveness?

What about sin I did not confess and forgot about it, and died naturally, would this also mean that I was going to hell because I forgot to confess that I committed a terrible sin, or would just a general forgive me Father for I have sinned cover the whole spectrum of sin. If this is the case then Jesus death covered the whole spectrum of sin, didn't it? He died for me to cover my sin before I was conceived or able to confess. He went before me and did all that needed to be done to save me. Thank you Lord Jesus for your saving grace.

I confess to Him and ask for forgiveness as an act of submission to the most high God, He needs me to do nothing to save myself, He did it all for me already.

 

[woka]

I wanted to add a few more answer's to your question, I hope that is okay with you?

People who are murdered and never accepted Jesus would never be condemned to hell, in the Word the Lord explains to us that He will give ever single person the opportunity to accept Him as their saviour before they could ever be condemd to hell. You are right in saying that a God who put people in hell but they never had the opportunity to accept him is not a good God, so to answer it He would never.

The other question of free will is also a good one, we all have free will, and this mean's even though you might think that yours or someone else's life is going to end in them committing suicide and what would the point be of them being born, I have to remind you of what you said, You said we all have free will and that is what they have chosen for themselves. There fate was never to end their own life, it is a choice they make, even though at the time the mind can play tricks on us and make us think that this is what we were destined for when we were born. The Word tells us otherwise, it say's I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you, you are fearfully and wonderfully made. You are created in my image, the Lord never committed suicide, so the choice is always ours.

Jesus is the Lord of Lord's and the Kind of King's, He knows the suffering we endure, of course we never think so when we are going through it, and think He can't understand. When you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour, and come into a relationship with Him, and start to read a meditate on His word, the truth begins to be revealed to you, the dispear becomes less, the opportunity to look at the situation from a different perspective is possible.

Our reality is our perspective and our perspective can be a true reflection of a blurred one.

I hope this answer's some question's for you?

 

[ddallen]

Up to recently, the Catholic church condemned suicide as a sin and preached that you would go to hell because of it. The new dogma from the church is that if someone commits suicide then they are most likely to be suffering from a mental disorder and someone who is mentally disturbed cannot commit a sin, they are not responsible, and so suicide is no longer a one way ticket to hell. Quite a mature approach I think

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

I have in my past many times contemplated suicide, as well as attempted to end my life several times.God is real,Christ died for you that is how much he cares for you.You are not just a lost cause with no hope or way to overcome this.At one time I believed as you do, I felt as weak as you.You can overcome this.I am here if you need to talk,I am more than willing to try help and encourage you.God Bless and don't give up.

Thanks for the words!

While we are alive, we have a chance to turn to Jesus for forgiveness of our sins. Its only through Jesus' righteous blood shed for us that our sins can be forgiven. For those who don't accept Jesus' sacrifice for sin, their sins will not be forgiven, and they will therefore end up in hell, whether they die of natural causes, or were murdered (by themselves or others).

This is why it is very important for everyone to turn to Jesus without delay, for the forgiveness of their sins. We do not know when our time on Earth will expire.

I see...

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

I find it quite amazing how many people think that killing yourself is cowardly, let's really re-think this, could you imagine taking a huge amount of pills, knowing what is going on in your body, could you imagine taking a rope and putting it over your head, and pushing the chair away. Killing to me in any form whatsoever be it suicide, self defence or just killing someone because you are a "bad" person must truly be one of the absolute hardest thing's to do.

A psychologist friend of mine said that people who cannot understand people who have thought about suicide or who have committed suicide are right in their lack of understanding, because if they really understood where that person is physically, emotionally, spiritually then they too would be able to contemplate suicide. It is the total lack of knowledge that we have that makes is not understandable.

I can honestly say that until you and I have walked in someone else's shoe's we have no right to judge their actions. I know that the absolute and complete darkness and emptiness that must be felt by people contemplating this is unfathomable for us.

The Lord Jesus died for each of us on a cross over two thousand year's ago. When he died for us it was to cover ever single one of our sin's, not some. If we have to still be alive after we commit suicide to ask for forgiveness for the sin of killing ourselves where then does salvation come in? If our salvation is dependant on our confession, then please tell me what Jesus did all those year's ago. Is our salvation not a free gift? It can't be if it is subject to be confessing and asking for forgiveness?

What about sin I did not confess and forgot about it, and died naturally, would this also mean that I was going to hell because I forgot to confess that I committed a terrible sin, or would just a general forgive me Father for I have sinned cover the whole spectrum of sin. If this is the case then Jesus death covered the whole spectrum of sin, didn't it? He died for me to cover my sin before I was conceived or able to confess. He went before me and did all that needed to be done to save me. Thank you Lord Jesus for your saving grace.

I confess to Him and ask for forgiveness as an act of submission to the most high God, He needs me to do nothing to save myself, He did it all for me already.

I wanted to add a few more answer's to your question, I hope that is okay with you?

People who are murdered and never accepted Jesus would never be condemned to hell, in the Word the Lord explains to us that He will give ever single person the opportunity to accept Him as their saviour before they could ever be condemd to hell. You are right in saying that a God who put people in hell but they never had the opportunity to accept him is not a good God, so to answer it He would never.

The other question of free will is also a good one, we all have free will, and this mean's even though you might think that yours or someone else's life is going to end in them committing suicide and what would the point be of them being born, I have to remind you of what you said, You said we all have free will and that is what they have chosen for themselves. There fate was never to end their own life, it is a choice they make, even though at the time the mind can play tricks on us and make us think that this is what we were destined for when we were born. The Word tells us otherwise, it say's I know the plans I have for you, plans to prosper you, you are fearfully and wonderfully made. You are created in my image, the Lord never committed suicide, so the choice is always ours.

Jesus is the Lord of Lord's and the Kind of King's, He knows the suffering we endure, of course we never think so when we are going through it, and think He can't understand. When you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour, and come into a relationship with Him, and start to read a meditate on His word, the truth begins to be revealed to you, the dispear becomes less, the opportunity to look at the situation from a different perspective is possible.

Our reality is our perspective and our perspective can be a true reflection of a blurred one.

I hope this answer's some question's for you?

Thanks for the in-depth answers! I'm kinda iffy on the choice part tho...

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

Up to recently, the Catholic church condemned suicide as a sin and preached that you would go to hell because of it. The new dogma from the church is that if someone commits suicide then they are most likely to be suffering from a mental disorder and someone who is mentally disturbed cannot commit a sin, they are not responsible, and so suicide is no longer a one way ticket to hell. Quite a mature approach I think

This is good to know!

Altho this makes me think of another question... christianity has so many denominations and each one has different ways of interpreting the bible and even have different ideas in some areas of what is a sin and what is not.

They all claim to serve the same god yet they are all different... which one is the right one and why?

 

[letti]

I find it quite amazing how many people think that killing yourself is cowardly, let's really re-think this, could you imagine taking a huge amount of pills, knowing what is going on in your body, could you imagine taking a rope and putting it over your head, and pushing the chair away. Killing to me in any form whatsoever be it suicide, self defence or just killing someone because you are a "bad" person must truly be one of the absolute hardest thing's to do.

A psychologist friend of mine said that people who cannot understand people who have thought about suicide or who have committed suicide are right in their lack of understanding, because if they really understood where that person is physically, emotionally, spiritually then they too would be able to contemplate suicide. It is the total lack of knowledge that we have that makes is not understandable.

I can honestly say that until you and I have walked in someone else's shoe's we have no right to judge their actions. I know that the absolute and complete darkness and emptiness that must be felt by people contemplating this is unfathomable for us.

The Lord Jesus died for each of us on a cross over two thousand year's ago. When he died for us it was to cover ever single one of our sin's, not some. If we have to still be alive after we commit suicide to ask for forgiveness for the sin of killing ourselves where then does salvation come in? If our salvation is dependant on our confession, then please tell me what Jesus did all those year's ago. Is our salvation not a free gift? It can't be if it is subject to be confessing and asking for forgiveness?

What about sin I did not confess and forgot about it, and died naturally, would this also mean that I was going to hell because I forgot to confess that I committed a terrible sin, or would just a general forgive me Father for I have sinned cover the whole spectrum of sin. If this is the case then Jesus death covered the whole spectrum of sin, didn't it? He died for me to cover my sin before I was conceived or able to confess. He went before me and did all that needed to be done to save me. Thank you Lord Jesus for your saving grace.

I confess to Him and ask for forgiveness as an act of submission to the most high God, He needs me to do nothing to save myself, He did it all for me already.

Sorry Woka,I considered my overdose at 14 yrs old that I was cowering out of the hellish nightmare of my life.I don't know why I see it that I was a wounded and weak soul at the time.But it was life I did not want to face,I was not trying to offend that is how, I saw myself actually.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Thanks for the in-depth answers! I'm kinda iffy on the choice part tho...

You should be. Jesus says no such thing. Our time to accept Him is now. No second chances once we die. Indeed, those who say there are second chances are usually those who belong to cults (the JWs come to mind).

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

You should be. Jesus says no such thing. Our time to accept Him is now. No second chances once we die. Indeed, those who say there are second chances are usually those who belong to cults (the JWs come to mind).

Sorry, I think second chance after being murdered (especially at a young age like 20) or after suiciding is proper for a good god.
I did not agree with the "suicide is a choice" thing. Maybe sometimes it is but mostly I think that suiciders most likely suffer from a mental disorder and therefore don't really have a choice...

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Sorry, I think second chance after being murdered (especially at a young age like 20) or after suiciding is proper for a good god.
I did not agree with the "suicide is a choice" thing. Maybe sometimes it is but mostly I think that suiciders most likely suffer from a mental disorder and therefore don't really have a choice...

What we think has no bearing on reality. God tells us the punishment for sin, and He tells us how we can be reconciled to Him in this life. All sin is a choice. Some people have more (or easier) choices than others, but we all still have a choice.

 

[ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough]

What we think has no bearing on reality. God tells us the punishment for sin, and He tells us how we can be reconciled to Him in this life. All sin is a choice. Some people have more (or easier) choices than others, but we all still have a choice.

Well someone did not choose to be born with or develop a mental disorder... and if that disorder drives them to suicide well then I don't see how that was their choice...

 

[eddie1801]

A lot of you questions can be answered in the fact that we live in a "fallen" world. This happened as a result of Adam and Eve's actions in the book of Genesis. I believe this will give you clarity. A "fallen" or "flawed" world means that things will happen in this world, that is not fair. It is not fair for a person suffering from depression to commit suicide and not go to heaven. Even though from our eyes the person should have a second chance. However, there are many other things about this world that is not "fair". For instance it is not fair for a parent to have to bury their own child.

It is not fair for evil men to succeed and for good people to suffer. It is not fair for innocent kids to be molested and/or kidnapped when they did nothing wrong. Think upon these things. Suicide is one of the many unfair instances in this fallen world. The bible tells us the we, as Christian, are pilgrims in this world. We are only passing through.This is not our true home. Rejoice in this fact, knowing that this is not your true home. I believe you should look at this issue from this perspective

 

[Anna20fAustralia]

I feel it is different when a person is in a lot of pain because of cancer and they only have a few months to live. in fact, the state of Tasmania here in Australia is voting on this law at the moment. However, suicide can SEEM to be a solution to life's problems when someone is very depressed, but that is really mental illness and I dont support suicide then.