Suicide?

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KeeganGentle

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Suicide is a cowards way out, people like to say that they have no option but to kill themselves. But God gave us a choice to do so or not. And a lot of people don't realise that depression can be a demon, and cast out. There are people who live lives so unbearable we couldn't imagine, yet they push on.

What saddens me is the rising amount of teenage suicides, I believe it is a correlation with music and television but thas another discussion right there.
 
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I know christians (and many other people) think Suicide is wrong.
Why do christians think suicide is wrong?
And some say you go to hell for suicide...
Why would god send a person to hell for breaking down from despair?
All they wanted was to escape suffering, why would he make them suffer more??

I know someone who suicided and its horrible to think they may be suffering more now than they were in life...
How could a good god let that happen?
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As long as you keep asking these kinds of questions, instead of taking religion's canned and sad answers, you remain a spiritual virgin.

"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."


Therefore, you don't have to worry about that suicide victim.

"He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days."

In other words, you'll worry about the dead until you put the issue behind you.
Everyone's gonna be alright in the end.

On suicide though, I could have killed myself many times, but my struggles have only gotten more delicious the longer I've stayed around. Spiritual masochism for the win.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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A lot of you questions can be answered in the fact that we live in a "fallen" world. This happened as a result of Adam and Eve's actions in the book of Genesis. I believe this will give you clarity. A "fallen" or "flawed" world means that things will happen in this world, that is not fair. It is not fair for a person suffering from depression to commit suicide and not go to heaven. Even though from our eyes the person should have a second chance. However, there are many other things about this world that is not "fair". For instance it is not fair for a parent to have to bury their own child.

It is not fair for evil men to succeed and for good people to suffer. It is not fair for innocent kids to be molested and/or kidnapped when they did nothing wrong. Think upon these things. Suicide is one of the many unfair instances in this fallen world. The bible tells us the we, as Christian, are pilgrims in this world. We are only passing through.This is not our true home. Rejoice in this fact, knowing that this is not your true home. I believe you should look at this issue from this perspective
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Hmm yea, true... still trying to figure out what to believe about the afterlife tho.

Anna20fAustralia said:
I feel it is different when a person is in a lot of pain because of cancer and they only have a few months to live. in fact, the state of Tasmania here in Australia is voting on this law at the moment. However, suicide can SEEM to be a solution to life's problems when someone is very depressed, but that is really mental illness and I dont support suicide then.
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Yea, it would be better if they got help with their mental illness but that can be very difficult and many never even seek proffesional help... which I do understand why.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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KeeganGentle said:
There are people who live lives so unbearable we couldn't imagine, yet they push on.
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Yes, but maybe those people have a better sense of self-worth, or they have hope that things will get better in the future.

Suiciders often feel that they are worthless and don't deserve to live and that there is no hope, things will never get better, and will even get worse, which may not be true but it is true in their own minds... and they often not only feel worthless but hate themselves. Every asapect of themselves. They hate their looks and their personality and their mentality and their emotions and their existence. They feel like if they were someone else then they would be better...

And when someone truly believes they are a pathetic worthless being that is no more important than bodily waste that gets flushed down the toilet... well that's very hard to hold on with that perspective...
 
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KeeganGentle

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A state of mind is a choice. You decide whether you will wait for the situation to improve, or give in to despair.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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reject-tech said:
Spiritual masochism for the win.
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Haha I think if you were really a spiritual masochist you would rather go to hell than heaven... I mean hell seems like a spiritual masochist's dream: your soul gets tortured for all eternity... just sayin you might wanna re-think the term xD
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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KeeganGentle said:
A state of mind is a choice. You decide whether you will wait for the situation to improve, or give in to despair.
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The state of mind is not neccesarily a choice if it is caused by a mental illness. I mean, one does not choose to have a mental illness...

In that case they really can't help themselves... they need others to help them...
 
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I am not God and who can fathom his ways, God is Soverign so therefore he can do what he wants to do. In my opinion I believe a person who murders another person has a better chance of going to Heaven than one who commits suicide. My reasoning is this, if one murders another the murderer however bad he/she may be they have an opportunity to truly repent and get into Heaven (ie the thief on the cross). If one commits suicide there is no way they can repent/ask for forgiveness.
when a person is weak and suicide seems like the only way out I also believe that is when God wants us to lean on him, b/c we can't walk this walk without him, he created us and knows our every needs better than we do, so why not go back to the manufacturer for repairs?
 
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Winners said:
I am not God and who can fathom his ways, God is Soverign so therefore he can do what he wants to do. In my opinion I believe a person who murders another person has a better chance of going to Heaven than one who commits suicide. My reasoning is this, if one murders another the murderer however bad he/she may be they have an opportunity to truly repent and get into Heaven (ie the thief on the cross). If one commits suicide there is no way they can repent/ask for forgiveness.
when a person is weak and suicide seems like the only way out I also believe that is when God wants us to lean on him, b/c we can't walk this walk without him, he created us and knows our every needs better than we do, so why not go back to the manufacturer for repairs?
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Uh... killing others is worse than killing yourself... it would be better if murderers just killed themselves than kill others, cuz if you are a person who would kill or rape inncocent people... than you deserve to die. (And go to hell for a loooong time) not sure about forever tho... that's a bit exessive.

Of course it is horrible when innocent people kill themselves... I think a good god should take into account that they were a person who would never hurt anyone else...
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Uh... killing others is worse than killing yourself... it would be better if murderers just killed themselves than kill others, cuz if you are a person who would kill or rape inncocent people... than you deserve to die. (And go to hell for a loooong time) not sure about forever tho... that's a bit exessive.

Of course it is horrible when innocent people kill themselves... I think a good god should take into account that they were a person who would never hurt anyone else...
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Killing is bad no matter how you look at it my point is repentance. Killing is a sin just as lying is a sin one is no greater than the other, but if we repent God is faithful to forgive each and every sin Isaiah 43:25, but we must truly repent.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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Winners said:
Killing is a sin just as lying is a sin one is no greater than the other
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Wait wait wait... what? o_O murder and lying are the same?? So... if someone lies and says they are 25 years old when they are actually 20 years old, that is the same as murder??

You gotta be kidding...
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Wait wait wait... what? o_O murder and lying are the same?? So... if someone lies and says they are 25 years old when they are actually 20 years old, that is the same as murder??

You gotta be kidding...
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[h=3]Matthew 15: 19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,
theft, false witness, slander. [/h][h=3]1 John 3: 15
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer
has eternal life abiding in him. [/h]Sin is sin, no matter what you do wrong, however no sin is worse than each other. But there is no room for sin in heaven, and in a true heart of a Christian,
 
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Winners

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Richie_2uk said:
Matthew 15: 19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,
theft, false witness, slander.

1 John 3: 15
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer
has eternal life abiding in him.

Sin is sin, no matter what you do wrong, however no sin is worse than each other. But there is no room for sin in heaven, and in a true heart of a Christian,
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Well said, nice scriptures as well to back that.
 
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Richie_2uk said:
[h=3]Matthew 15: 19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality,
theft, false witness, slander. [/h][h=3]1 John 3: 15
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer
has eternal life abiding in him. [/h]Sin is sin, no matter what you do wrong, however no sin is worse than each other. But there is no room for sin in heaven, and in a true heart of a Christian,
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Well honestly, all I can say is that is just ridiculous on so many levels.

I understand "sin is sin" but the methods used to sin are quite different so god should consider the method used to sin and not punish much less hurtful methods the same as extremely hurtful methods.

For example: hating a person with your heart is much less hurtful to the person than actually hating them to the point of killing them physically. So murder with your heart is a much less hurtful method of murder than murder with a gun or whatever.

So obviously the method used to commit the sin should be taken into consideration.
 
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I said this in a discussion back in August:

My answer to this is the same as Martin Luther's. Martin Luther was burying the body of a suicide on consecrated ground, when the local Monsignor came out and asked him what he was doing. Martin Luther asked, "If a man is walking down the road and is robbed and killed who is to blame?" The Monsignor answered, "The men that robbed and killed the man." Martin Luther responded, "Then why blame this innocent, when it is Satan that killed him."
 
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Winners

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Well honestly, all I can say is that is just ridiculous on so many levels.

I understand "sin is sin" but the methods used to sin are quite different so god should consider the method used to sin and not punish much less hurtful methods the same as extremely hurtful methods.

For example: hating a person with your heart is much less hurtful to the person than actually hating them to the point of killing them physically. So murder with your heart is a much less hurtful method of murder than murder with a gun or whatever.

So obviously the method used to commit the sin should be taken into consideration.
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I now understand your points, and I would totally agree with you if my God and your god were the same. I have been noticing when you mention him you refer to him as god, and there is a huge difference in the God I am referring to.
 
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You speak so much sense my friend. The despair and total unimaginable psychological breakdown that a individual must be in, to contemplate suicide can only be truly understood by someone who has also been in such a desperate position. The world can for some seem a very lonely place, even in a room full of family and friends.

Love, compassion and understanding are how I try to live my life towards others. However I know my words of wisdom fall upon my own deaf ears at times... I would never judge another for contemplating suicide, I would pray and hope that they reach out to the Lord, for he is the light that would guide them away from the darkness, giving hope that a better future exists.
 
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Winners said:
I now understand your points, and I would totally agree with you if my God and your god were the same. I have been noticing when you mention him you refer to him as god, and there is a huge difference in the God I am referring to.
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Then I am afraid I do not find your god acceptable but I do realize not all christians agree so I'm not sure which version of the christian god is the correct one, but the version you seem to promote I cannot accept.

And before you say "who are you to accept or reject god" well, there are many gods christians do not accept because they find them unacceptable for many reasons even if the only reason is: they are not the one true god.

So I will also accept or reject any and/or all gods who I do not know to be the one true god.
But of course, as of the current point in time, no god has been proven or disproven to be the one true god.

Now regardless of wether I find the specific god you promote to be acceptable or not, does not mean he is or is not a true god and there may be more than one god (in which case they would true gods) - one can only hope that the god and/or gods they find acceptable are true but there is the possibility none of them are true...

Obviously something convinces everyone whether a certain god and/or gods does or does not exist. So far I have not learned or experienced anything that has convinced me one way or the other but I will continue to search and learn.

Sorry that I got off the topic but I figured might as well say this here as start a whole new thread.

Feel free to continue to respond if you wish, I may or may not reply.

I wish all of you well in your spiritual life. Peace! :)
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Then I am afraid I do not find your god acceptable but I do realize not all christians agree so I'm not sure which version of the christian god is the correct one, but the version you seem to promote I cannot accept.

And before you say "who are you to accept or reject god" well, there are many gods christians do not accept because they find them unacceptable for many reasons even if the only reason is: they are not the one true god.

So I will also accept or reject any and/or all gods who I do not know to be the one true god.
But of course, as of the current point in time, no god has been proven or disproven to be the one true god.

Now regardless of wether I find the specific god you promote to be acceptable or not, does not mean he is or is not a true god and there may be more than one god (in which case they would true gods) - one can only hope that the god and/or gods they find acceptable are true but there is the possibility none of them are true...

Obviously something convinces everyone whether a certain god and/or gods does or does not exist. So far I have not learned or experienced anything that has convinced me one way or the other but I will continue to search and learn.

Sorry that I got off the topic but I figured might as well say this here as start a whole new thread.

Feel free to continue to respond if you wish, I may or may not reply.

I wish all of you well in your spiritual life. Peace! :)
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I will defiently be praying for you and hopes the Holy Spirit show you who the one True God is. When I mentioned we were talking different gods, I was saying when you mention God you refer to him with a little "g" as if was an idol or something of the sort, and I always refer to him with a big "G". I pray that you study these scriptures but this should give you an idea of the God I serve.

Passages that say there is only one God:

  1. "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. " Genesis 2:24
  2. "there is no one like Yahweh our God." Exodus 8:10
  3. "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35
  4. "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
  5. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39
    [*]"Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4
  6. "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22
  7. "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32
  8. "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60
    [*]"You are the God, You alone [bad], of all the kingdoms of the earth." 2 Kings 19:15
  9. "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20
    [*]"You alone [bad] are Yahweh." Nehemiah 9:6
  10. "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31
    [*]"You alone [bad], Lord, are God." Isaiah 37:20
  11. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
  12. "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
  13. "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8
  14. "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
  15. "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14
  16. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18
  17. "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21
  18. "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me" Isaiah 46:9
    [*]"And Yahweh will be king over all the earth; in that day Yahweh will be the only one [echad], and His name the only one[echad]." Zechariah 14:9
  19. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one [hen] and love the other, or he will be devoted to one [hen] and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." Matthew 6:24
    [*]"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one     [hen] flesh"? " Matthew 19:5
  20. "But do not be called Rabbi; for One [hen] is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." Matthew 23:8
  21. "Do not be called leaders; for One [hen] is your Leader, that is, Christ." Matthew 23:10
  22. ""The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one [hen] Lord; " Mark 12:29
    [*]"you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only [monos] God?" John 5:44
    [*]"I and the Father are one     [hen]." John 10:30
  23. "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only [monos] true God" John 17:3
  24. "The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one [hen], just as We are one [hen]" John 17:22
    [*]"since indeed God is one [hen]" Romans 3:30
    [*]"to the only [monos] wise God, Amen." Romans 16:27
    [*]"there is no God but one [hen]" 1 Corinthians 8:4
    [*]"yet for us there is but one [hen] God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one [hen] Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." 1 Corinthians 8:6
    [*]"Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one [hen]." Galatians 3:20
    [*]"There is one [hen] body and one [hen] Spirit, one [hen] hope, one [hen] Lord, one [hen] faith, one [hen] baptism, one [hen] God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all." Ephesians 4:4-6
    [*]"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only [monos] God" 1 Timothy 1:17
  25. "which He will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and only [monos] Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone [monos] possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen." 1 Timothy 6:16
    [*]"For there is one [hen] God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," 1 Timothy 2:5
    [*]"You believe that God is one [hen]. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder." James 2:19
  26. "For certain persons deny our only [monos] Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 4
    [*]"the only [monos] God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Jude 25

 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
I know christians (and many other people) think Suicide is wrong.
Why do christians think suicide is wrong?
And some say you go to hell for suicide...
Why would god send a person to hell for breaking down from despair?
All they wanted was to escape suffering, why would he make them suffer more??

I know someone who suicided and its horrible to think they may be suffering more now than they were in life...
How could a good god let that happen?
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God has nothing to do with it, A demon within the person wants people to commit suicide. The demon is ugly, if you saw it, you would not listen to it.
Even in hell the soul can cry out to God, for the soul never dies the person can be taken out of hell and redeemed.
 
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