Suicide?

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KeeganGentle

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People aren't punished for sin. Hell isn't a punishment. Forgiveness isn't about getting forgiven so we don't get punished its about being clean so that we can be with God. For eternity. If you lie you have sinned of to hell with you, it might seem harsh but God will not let sin into his presence.

And that stuff about staying in hell until your punishment is over is nonsence and has no biblical standing.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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KeeganGentle said:
People aren't punished for sin. Hell isn't a punishment. Forgiveness isn't about getting forgiven so we don't get punished its about being clean so that we can be with God. For eternity. If you lie you have sinned of to hell with you, it might seem harsh but God will not let sin into his presence.

And that stuff about staying in hell until your punishment is over is nonsence and has no biblical standing.
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If the god you believe in will not give someone another chance, even after they are in hell, even for something like telling a lie, not give them another chance for all eternity... well then he is uh... rather messed up. And I don't see how you can want to follow a god like that. (Regardless of wether he is real or not)
 
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KeeganGentle

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I follow him because he is holy, if he did not do that he wouldn't be holy.
 
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Bryancampbell

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
I know christians (and many other people) think Suicide is wrong.
Why do christians think suicide is wrong?
And some say you go to hell for suicide...
Why would god send a person to hell for breaking down from despair?
All they wanted was to escape suffering, why would he make them suffer more??

I know someone who suicided and its horrible to think they may be suffering more now than they were in life...
How could a good god let that happen?
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First off, God in terms doesn't send anyone to hell, people do by how they live their lives. Where is your heart?

Now this subject is one not up for heavy debate. God will judge each person rightly, and there is no injustice from his judgement. I see your not Christian, but to realize the Creator, is to realize the depths of His existence. Being suicidal actually takes a lot of false courage to do. When you are in despair, this is a given spot in time to come to God. Not think of yourself. But because man is man, and we cannot alter humanity with human philosophy, we must leave such a thing to God.

To some it's murder, this is true. Since murder is sin, this can be compared to pornography. Just because you feel alone and bored and unloved, doesn't give you the right to view inappropriate material. Just because you are blinded by hate doesn't give you the right to kill someone. Just because your afraid to hurt someone's feelings, doesn't give you the right to lie to people. Just because you have no food and no money doesn't give you the right to rob someone. Just because your spouse isn't intimate with you, doesn't give you the right to cheat. The list goes on...

But I still would leave this topic to the Lord. So don't misjudge the Lord by what many of us Christian's don't know. quite a few of people in the OT committed suicide out of guilt and they were evil in their heart. The Lord judges the heart.

Again people who go to hell, sent themselves there because they didn't want to listen to the truth. Man sends himself to hell, whereas man can also come to Jesus and escape hell as well. Judgement is according to our deeds and/or heart.

But my God is mighty to save, even those who are suicidal.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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First off, God in terms doesn't send anyone to hell, people do by how they live their lives. Where is your heart?

Now this subject is one not up for heavy debate. God will judge each person rightly, and there is no injustice from his judgement. I see your not Christian, but to realize the Creator, is to realize the depths of His existence. Being suicidal actually takes a lot of false courage to do. When you are in despair, this is a given spot in time to come to God. Not think of yourself. But because man is man, and we cannot alter humanity with human philosophy, we must leave such a thing to God.

To some it's murder, this is true. Since murder is sin, this can be compared to pornography. Just because you feel alone and bored and unloved, doesn't give you the right to view inappropriate material. Just because you are blinded by hate doesn't give you the right to kill someone. Just because your afraid to hurt someone's feelings, doesn't give you the right to lie to people. Just because you have no food and no money doesn't give you the right to rob someone. Just because your spouse isn't intimate with you, doesn't give you the right to cheat. The list goes on...

But I still would leave this topic to the Lord. So don't misjudge the Lord by what many of us Christian's don't know. quite a few of people in the OT committed suicide out of guilt and they were evil in their heart. The Lord judges the heart.

Again people who go to hell, sent themselves there because they didn't want to listen to the truth. Man sends himself to hell, whereas man can also come to Jesus and escape hell as well. Judgement is according to our deeds and/or heart.

But my God is mighty to save, even those who are suicidal.
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Well the only one I would agree with that you don't have a "right" to do under those circumstances is murder. Only way killing someone is justified is if its self-defense or you are killing a murderer. If someone kills a member of your family or even just a random innocent person, then they are a murderer and if you kill a murderer that is not wrong. Its justice.

You get what you give. Just sayin.
 
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Winners

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
If the god you believe in will not give someone another chance, even after they are in hell, even for something like telling a lie, not give them another chance for all eternity... well then he is uh... rather messed up. And I don't see how you can want to follow a god like that. (Regardless of wether he is real or not)
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If you wronged someone and you wanted them to forgive you, after they have died can you still expect them to say I forgive you. Everyday we wake up with breath in our bodies that is another chance that God has given you, do not wait until the battle is over.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Well the only one I would agree with that you don't have a "right" to do under those circumstances is murder. Only way killing someone is justified is if its self-defense or you are killing a murderer. If someone kills a member of your family or even just a random innocent person, then they are a murderer and if you kill a murderer that is not wrong. Its justice.

You get what you give. Just sayin.
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You get what you give...Yes, very true. We give forgivness, we get forgivness. Just sayin`.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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If you wronged someone and you wanted them to forgive you, after they have died can you still expect them to say I forgive you. Everyday we wake up with breath in our bodies that is another chance that God has given you, do not wait until the battle is over.
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Well it sucks for people who have their lives cut short (like if someone dies at 20) they get a lot less chances... how is that justified?

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You get what you give...Yes, very true. We give forgivness, we get forgivness. Just sayin`.
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Well it makes sense this way: it depends on what exactly you don't forgive. Its not generalized. The only way you should not be forgiven of anything is if you don't forgive anyone of anything.
Otherwise it should be more specific like if you forgive others of everything but murder then you will be forgiven of everything but murder. So don't do what you won't forgive others for.
Sounds better than if you don't forgive others of one thing then you are not forgiven of anything...

But it depends on the situation too... I would bot forgive someone who murders an innocent person but I would forgive sommeone who "murders" a murderer of an innocent person.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
Well it sucks for people who have their lives cut short (like if someone dies at 20) they get a lot less chances... how is that justified?



Well it makes sense this way: it depends on what exactly you don't forgive. Its not generalized. The only way you should not be forgiven of anything is if you don't forgive anyone of anything.
Otherwise it should be more specific like if you forgive others of everything but murder then you will be forgiven of everything but murder. So don't do what you won't forgive others for.
Sounds better than if you don't forgive others of one thing then you are not forgiven of anything...

But it depends on the situation too... I would bot forgive someone who murders an innocent person but I would forgive sommeone who "murders" a murderer of an innocent person.
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Not sayin you have the right to do it just cuz you will forgive others of it, but if everyone would not forgive others of murder and not do what they don't forgive others for well then no one would murder haha
unfortunately people are messed up...
 
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Winners

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
But it depends on the situation too... I would bot forgive someone who murders an innocent person but I would forgive sommeone who "murders" a murderer of an innocent person.
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Plan and simply put Jesus said this in Matthew 6:14-15New International Version (NIV)
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
 
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Plan and simply put Jesus said this in Matthew 6:14-15New International Version (NIV)
14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
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I won't forgive some things but I don't expect to be forgiven for the things I will not forgive but I am NOT going to do the things I will not forgive others for, so I will be forgiven for everything as long as forgiveness is specified and not generalized. (As it should be)
 
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God judges those in the world who have died without knowing Christ at the second and final resurrection. Every person will have a record (a book) containing all the works they have done in their lives and it is by these works, “…. the things which are written in the books” that they will all be judged accordingly. The One who will be doing the judging is Christ and He alone will determine based upon what is recorded in those books whether or not persons will be written in His Book of Life. So God who owns the books, not us, is the One who will determine the fate of each person who commits suicide. Rev. 20: 11-15
 
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KeeganGentle

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
I won't forgive some things but I don't expect to be forgiven for the things I will not forgive but I am NOT going to do the things I will not forgive others for, so I will be forgiven for everything as long as forgiveness is specified and not generalized. (As it should be)
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Then you don't understand christianity, forgiveness is the basis of it all. God forgives so we forgive. Who has the right to judge, God cleanses everyone who asks included murderers, provided they are actually repentant and don't want to keep on killing. As long as you keep seeing heaven and hell as punishment and reward you won't understand.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
I won't forgive some things but I don't expect to be forgiven for the things I will not forgive but I am NOT going to do the things I will not forgive others for, so I will be forgiven for everything as long as forgiveness is specified and not generalized. (As it should be)
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What a cold correctitude...
I wish to be forgiven for all the mistakes and the sins I have done, therefore, I myself try to forgive as much and as many as I can (although it is very difficult sometimes) because forgiving and being forgiven makes me happy and makes me feel in peace with myself, with the otherone and with God.

In general, people are more willing and more ready to forgive mistakes that they themselves had done, but I don`t see nothing special, nothing out of commun with this attitude, on the contrary, I believe forgiveness is the apanage of a true generous and loving King.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough said:
I know christians (and many other people) think Suicide is wrong.
Why do christians think suicide is wrong?
And some say you go to hell for suicide...
Why would god send a person to hell for breaking down from despair?
All they wanted was to escape suffering, why would he make them suffer more??

I know someone who suicided and its horrible to think they may be suffering more now than they were in life...
How could a good god let that happen?
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Suicide is murdering yourself it a sin. And i don't think God wants your friend to feel like this he wants him to be happy. God is there for everybody all that he needs to do is just talk to God ask him for help. And remember this always God loves us so much and he wants us to reach out to him no matter what the situation is he will never leave us.
 
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eminemjrxx

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i think that god lets sum people do it cos its best for them or maybe satan controls them and they wont acept gods help but sumtimes he dus stop it he stoped it for my brothar so if its rong or not i aint sure but maybe sumtimes it can be but it depends on wots hapend
 
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KeeganGentle

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Talk about trying to resurrect the dead:confused:
 
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