What Laws are still valid to christians
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No, because Paul taught to follow the Law, as long as it was done in the right context. The places where we see him coming against the law is when people were using it for justifications sake.
I keep using the scripture in Matthew because it is affirms Jesus' stance on the Law. No where does He say to not follow the law. It's obviously not for salvation because He says both those who do and those who don't are saved. No one really wants to address Jesus telling His followers to follow the law, except to say that he probably meant the Spirit.
So when you consider that Paul is coming against law keepers who did it for justification, a keeping of the 7th day sabbath or eating kosher or getting circumcised is completely acceptable.
I keep using the scripture in Matthew because it is affirms Jesus' stance on the Law. No where does He say to not follow the law. It's obviously not for salvation because He says both those who do and those who don't are saved. No one really wants to address Jesus telling His followers to follow the law, except to say that he probably meant the Spirit.
So when you consider that Paul is coming against law keepers who did it for justification, a keeping of the 7th day sabbath or eating kosher or getting circumcised is completely acceptable.
wasn't Jesus saying John was the greatest of the OT prophets? - he was their last - Elijah come to call out the children - away from the Old.
and yet the least after John are greater - why?
all are one in Christ.
Galatians 5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free.
John 8:36
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
and yet the least after John are greater - why?
all are one in Christ.
Galatians 5
It was for freedom that Christ set us free.
John 8:36
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
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I can help clarify the matter for you. I'm not in either place.
Again, Jesus told His disciples very plainly they were to follow the Law. Whether you think that it pleases God or not, or even if it should, it ultimately doesn't matter because Jesus told us to follow the law.
Again, Jesus told His disciples very plainly they were to follow the Law. Whether you think that it pleases God or not, or even if it should, it ultimately doesn't matter because Jesus told us to follow the law.
we should not only be circumcising our children. But we should be having levitical priests, Meeting on Saterday, Celebrating the passover meals and the other cerminonies according to law. And while we are at it. Where is the temple and the animals to sacrifice?
The law came as a whole. not a part. When jesus said obey my commands, He is not speaking of law. He is speaking of the things he told them to do. And taught them for the three years he was with them, as well as the moral guidance he gave them, such as in matt 5.
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Because I know from the countless verses in the Bible that I can't earn my salvation. It's simply through grace by faith, not of myself. That's the foundational truth.
Yet Jesus tells us in Matthew 5 to follow the Law. I may not understand completely the relationship between the 2, but I know its there.
Yet Jesus tells us in Matthew 5 to follow the Law. I may not understand completely the relationship between the 2, but I know its there.
well this is awkward...
umm...why be circumcised?
if you raise sons according to your beliefs now - would you have them circumcised?
if so, it would be according to your beliefs...right? which are religious.
which means you think it is pleasing to God or required.
or no
Paul said it avails nothing.
umm...why be circumcised?
if you raise sons according to your beliefs now - would you have them circumcised?
if so, it would be according to your beliefs...right? which are religious.
which means you think it is pleasing to God or required.
or no
Paul said it avails nothing.
It will be a physical sign, a physical reminder to my sons of that truth.
It's healthier to do it.
It's, ahem..... more aesthetic.
It's according to God laying that on our hearts, not just religious beliefs. An example....
Scripture says to do it on the 8th day, just like Jesus did. We took our son in to have it done, but there was a medical issue that kept us from doing it. Were my wife and I or my son in sin because it wasn't done on the 8th day? Did God frown upon us? Or is that circumcision a sign of something much deeper, much truer, that isn't dependent on that physical act? Absolutely. But that doesn't negate the physical commandment.
And regarding Paul's teaching, it does avail nothing in regards to salvation or your standing before God. That's what he taught against.
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
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It has been stated many times on these forums that the law is the school master. (Galatians 3:24-26)
Most believers would agree that these laws are still in affect. I hope so!
The Law of faith:
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The Law of Truth:
Malachi 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
Malachi 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
The Pharisees turned the Law into self-righteousness:
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The weighter matters of the Law are judgment, mercy, and faith.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
In the early chapter of the bible, even after the Law was given to Moses and the people were expected to keep it. God said this:
Deuteronomy 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Deuteronomy 9:6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.
Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Nehemiah 9:7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
Nehemiah 9:8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:
Abraham was faithful even before the covenant was made to give the land to his descendants.
Refer back to Romans 3 above on the law of Faith.
Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Abraham was justified by FAITH, he believed God and did what God told him to do. It was never about his own righteousness, but because he really believed, he was justified."The flesh" in the above verse is tied to the carnal man. The carnal mind is not subject to the laws of God, neither indeed can it be."
Most believers would agree that these laws are still in affect. I hope so!
The Law of faith:
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The Law of Truth:
Malachi 2:6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.
Malachi 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
The Pharisees turned the Law into self-righteousness:
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
The weighter matters of the Law are judgment, mercy, and faith.
Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
In the early chapter of the bible, even after the Law was given to Moses and the people were expected to keep it. God said this:
Deuteronomy 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
Deuteronomy 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Deuteronomy 9:6 Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.
Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Nehemiah 9:7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
Nehemiah 9:8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:
Abraham was faithful even before the covenant was made to give the land to his descendants.
Refer back to Romans 3 above on the law of Faith.
Genesis 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Abraham was justified by FAITH, he believed God and did what God told him to do. It was never about his own righteousness, but because he really believed, he was justified."The flesh" in the above verse is tied to the carnal man. The carnal mind is not subject to the laws of God, neither indeed can it be."
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It depends on why anyone thinks we should. I've never once said the entire Law is binding on everyone, and that everyone should do all of it. That's the miscommuincation. As soon as I say I follow commandments in the Law, people assume I have to do all of it. The thing is, I don't follow it because I have to follow all of it. I read through the Scriptures as we all do, and the Spirit says, "Matt, let me show you something. Do this." So I do it. It's the exact same that happens with all of us when we read the NT as well.
I know what the sacrifice truly is. I know who my Priest is. I know where the temple is today. Does it fit exactly with the Law? No. But that doesn't mean I negate all of it because I don't have a field where I can leave the corners unharvested to the poor can glean there. I'm obedient to the things the Spirit lays on my heart. I'm not responsible for any of it until it's laid on my heart. If I were to say that I have to do it as a whole to please God, everyone's concerns would be valid.
But I've never said that.
I know what the sacrifice truly is. I know who my Priest is. I know where the temple is today. Does it fit exactly with the Law? No. But that doesn't mean I negate all of it because I don't have a field where I can leave the corners unharvested to the poor can glean there. I'm obedient to the things the Spirit lays on my heart. I'm not responsible for any of it until it's laid on my heart. If I were to say that I have to do it as a whole to please God, everyone's concerns would be valid.
But I've never said that.